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I’ve been lc-ing since Dec. 1st 2003.
If you’re on Atkins that’s Induction. You should not have stepped on the scale at all yet. Strictly counting carbs <20 net carbs per day.
If you’re on Atkins move on to OWL. A fair number don’t lose with carbs that low. Less is not more, that’s the single most important idea of Atkins. I’ve been using fiday to track my calories (amount and distribution). I typically have about 2200 calories per day. 75% from fat, 22% protein and 3% carb.
That’s a lot of calories. Stay at home mom with a 3yr old and a 1yr old. No formal excercise program, yet.
Chasing the kids is exercise.
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Hi Amy I’ve been lc-ing since Dec. 1st 2003. Strictly counting carbs <20 net carbs per day. Eating only meat, eggs, some cheese, some pecans, 2-3 cups salad/day(or 1 c. vegi’s). Lots of mayo, ranch dressing, and butter. About 10 c. water per day and Atkins #3 basic supplement. No coffee, booze (actually just stopped coffee [1 cup/day] today).
Apart from the advice others have already given, I want to ask if you drink diet sodas or something else with splenda, aspartame etc? They can stall some people, as coffee can, apparently. Good luck with the weighloss. Ina 213/172/154 since 8/15/03 www.skreee.de
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says… I’ve been lc-ing since Dec. 1st 2003. If you’re on Atkins that’s Induction. You should not have stepped on the scale at all yet.
Where do you get that? I’m pretty sure it’s not part of the Rules of Induction. The timetable for stepping on the scale is up to the individual. I’ve stepped on the scale every single day since starting this WOE. — Saffire 205/179/125 Atkins since 6/14/03 Progress photo: http://photos.yahoo.com/saffire333
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I’ve been lc-ing since Dec. 1st 2003. If you’re on Atkins that’s Induction. You should not have stepped on the scale at all yet. Where do you get that? I’m pretty sure it’s not part of the Rules of Induction.
Dr A does mention avoiding the scale in at least one edition, but I got it from reading many posts each and every day from newbies who have made that mistake and freaked out. The timetable for stepping on the scale is up to the individual.
The the chances of getting discouraged and quitting is up to the individual. Stepping on the scale causes more people to quit than any other factor. I have no way to prove that; it’s just an educated guess on my part. But I can’t count the number of people over the years who have stepped onto the scale far too enough, given themselves unrealistic expectations or gotten unrealistic expectations because they don’t know how to tell (water + fat) loss diring Induction from (fat only) loss later, and quit. I’ve stepped on the scale every single day since starting this WOE.
Did you also step on the scale daily before you started? If so that’s fine. Newbies should be told to step on the scale with the same frequency they did before starting. Any more often leads to unfounded emtional trauma like this thread. Don’t step on the scale, don’t create trauma, very simple equation. I understand few will be able to resist weekly weighings, but often it takes advice that is exaggerated to get through to folks. No good ever comes from weighings during Induction. Much harm comes from stepping on the scale during Induction.
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I’ve been using fiday to track my calories (amount and distribution). I typically have about 2200 calories per day. 75% from fat, 22% protein and 3% carb.
You’d have to be eating probably almost 1000 calories less than that before you’d have to worry about "going too low." Your height and body structure come into play too, but dropping 500 calories isn’t going to put you into starvation mode.
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Amy, A couple things spring to mind, most of them having to do with female hormones. Is it possible that you have PCOS? Women with polycystic ovary syndrome may not lose weight on a low carb diet (or any diet) without the help of a medication that reduces insulin resistance. Is it possible that you are about to get your period? This can also stop apparent weight loss for many women because they gain water weight in the weeks before the period. Are you on progesterone supplements (birth control pills, shots?) These can make weight loss very tough. Are you measuring portions to make sure that the portions you are entering in fitday really are the size you think they are. An ounce of cheese is not much cheese, ditto with nuts, so you might be eating more than you think. Contrary to what others wrote, I don’t think 2200 calories is too low for your current weight if that’s what your currently eating. That’s a little less than 10 times your current body weight and you really don’t want to start out lower than that if you can help it. — Jenny Cut the carbs to respond to my new email address! New photo: http://www.geocities.com/jenny_the_bean/jennypics.htm Weight: 168.5/137 Diabetes Type II diagnosed 8/1998 – HBa1c 5.2 10/03 Low Carb 9/1998 – 8/2001 and 11/10/02 – Now http://www.geocities.com/jenny_the_bean How to calculate your need for protein * How much people really lose each month * Water Weight Gain & Loss * The "Two Gram Cure" for Hunger Cravings * Characteristics of Successful Dieters * Indispensible Low Carb Treats * Should You Count that Low Impact Carb? * Curing Ketobreath * Exercise Starting from Zero * Do Starch Blockers Work? * NEW! Why the Low Carb Diet is Great for Diabetes * NEW! Low Carb Strategies for People with Diabetes
– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – Hi, I’ve been lc-ing since Dec. 1st 2003. Strictly counting carbs <20 net carbs per day. Eating only meat, eggs, some cheese, some pecans, 2-3 cups salad/day(or 1 c. vegi’s). Lots of mayo, ranch dressing, and butter. About 10 c. water per day and Atkins #3 basic supplement. No coffee, booze (actually just stopped coffee [1 cup/day] today). I’ve been using fiday to track my calories (amount and distribution). I typically have about 2200 calories per day. 75% from fat, 22% protein and 3% carb. Stay at home mom with a 3yr old and a 1yr old. No formal excercise program, yet. My problem is that the scale really hasn’t budged. 238/238/180. Anybody know what could be going on? Would really appreciate some feedback. Thank you, Amy 238/238/180
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for a night time snack, have a bowl of sugarfree, and carb free jello. I get mine at WalMart in their Great Value brand. ….jenna
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for a night time snack, have a bowl of sugarfree, and carb free jello. I get mine at WalMart in their Great Value brand.
Be aware that sugar free jello PUDDING still has carbs (cornstarch used to thicken it). The gelatine is carb free. — revek aliterate (adjective): able to read but unwilling to do so
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Hey Doug, Thanks for the posts. Yes I admit I do step on too often. My weight fluctuates 2lbs in a day (morning or night). I guess I need that positive reinforcement. Also want to make sure I’m not gaining, which I’m not. My plan now is to stay on induction for at least another week. I am getting encouraging results: I’m down to about 235 (238/235/180). I have heeded everyone’s advice and cut out coffee, nuts, cheese, bacon, nitrite-laden lunchmeats, artificial sweeteners. Thanks, Amy 238/235/180 12/01/03
– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – I’ve been lc-ing since Dec. 1st 2003. If you’re on Atkins that’s Induction. You should not have stepped on the scale at all yet. Strictly counting carbs <20 net carbs per day. If you’re on Atkins move on to OWL. A fair number don’t lose with carbs that low. Less is not more, that’s the single most important idea of Atkins. I’ve been using fiday to track my calories (amount and distribution). I typically have about 2200 calories per day. 75% from fat, 22% protein and 3% carb. That’s a lot of calories. Stay at home mom with a 3yr old and a 1yr old. No formal excercise program, yet. Chasing the kids is exercise.
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says… The timetable for stepping on the scale is up to the individual. The the chances of getting discouraged and quitting is up to the individual. Stepping on the scale causes more people to quit than any other factor. I have no way to prove that; it’s just an educated guess
My weight has fluctuated quite a bit over the last 6 months, partly due to hormones (and I’m not just talking every 28 days). Typically, even if I’ve lost a couple of lbs, over the course of the next week it might go back up 2-3 lbs, then settle back to the lower weight — this could take 10 days. If I didn’t see the lower weight, I might not think I lost anything at ALL and that WOULD discourage me. I’ve stepped on the scale every single day since starting this WOE. Did you also step on the scale daily before you started? If so that’s fine. Newbies should be told to step on the scale with the same frequency they did before starting. Any more often leads to unfounded emtional trauma like this thread. Don’t step on the scale, don’t create trauma, very simple equation.
What if they NEVER stepped on the scale before starting this WOE because they didn’t want to know? That was my usual MO whenever my weight has been high. When my weight is down, I tend to weigh more frequently. I understand few will be able to resist weekly weighings, but often it takes advice that is exaggerated to get through to folks. No good ever comes from weighings during Induction. Much harm comes from stepping on the scale during Induction.
True — it depends on the person. But back to the main point, there is no RULE that you must NOT step on the scale during induction, and people shouldn’t be chastised for doing so as if they’re doing something wrong. It’s advice that may or may not be heeded, but it’s only ADVICE. — Saffire 205/179/125 Atkins since 6/14/03 Progress photo: http://photos.yahoo.com/saffire333
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Just am afraid of going too low. If I cut out 2-3 oz of roasted pecans a day that saves me alot of calories right there. Unfourtunatley, they were my late nite munchies. Guess I’ll have to grab the celery, instead. Thanx again A – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – Hi, I’ve been lc-ing since Dec. 1st 2003. Strictly counting carbs <20 net carbs per day. Eating only meat, eggs, some cheese, some pecans, 2-3 cups salad/day(or 1 c. vegi’s). Lots of mayo, ranch dressing, and butter. About 10 c. water per day and Atkins #3 basic supplement. No coffee, booze (actually just stopped coffee [1 cup/day] today). I’ve been using fiday to track my calories (amount and distribution). I typically have about 2200 calories per day. 75% from fat, 22% protein and 3% carb. Stay at home mom with a 3yr old and a 1yr old. No formal excercise program, yet. My problem is that the scale really hasn’t budged. 238/238/180. Anybody know what could be going on? Would really appreciate some feedback. sounds like too many calories to me. try knocking two or three hundred of them a day off, or start exercising. or both. both would be better.
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Or just skip the late-night munchies all together. You can do it, I did. At first it was hard, but it feels kind of triumphant to just go to bed without eating anything after dinner. – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – Just am afraid of going too low. If I cut out 2-3 oz of roasted pecans a day that saves me alot of calories right there. Unfourtunatley, they were my late nite munchies. Guess I’ll have to grab the celery, instead. Thanx again A Hi, I’ve been lc-ing since Dec. 1st 2003. Strictly counting carbs <20 net carbs per day. Eating only meat, eggs, some cheese, some pecans, 2-3 cups salad/day(or 1 c. vegi’s). Lots of mayo, ranch dressing, and butter. About 10 c. water per day and Atkins #3 basic supplement. No coffee, booze (actually just stopped coffee [1 cup/day] today). I’ve been using fiday to track my calories (amount and distribution). I typically have about 2200 calories per day. 75% from fat, 22% protein and 3% carb. Stay at home mom with a 3yr old and a 1yr old. No formal excercise program, yet. My problem is that the scale really hasn’t budged. 238/238/180. Anybody know what could be going on? Would really appreciate some feedback. sounds like too many calories to me. try knocking two or three hundred of them a day off, or start exercising. or both. both would be better.
– -Michelle Levin (Luna) http://www.mindspring.com/~lunachick http://www.mindspring.com/~designbyluna
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Or just skip the late-night munchies all together. You can do it, I did. At first it was hard, but it feels kind of triumphant to just go to bed without eating anything after dinner. triumphant and I also sleep better. night time eating was a big diet buster for me… i
I sleep better too! Sometimes it takes me a bit longer to fall asleep if I’m a little hungry, but sleeping on a full (or stuffed) stomach meant I’d get some rather disturbing dreams. I feel more refreshed when I wake up if I go to sleep 3 or 4 hours after my last meal. — -Michelle Levin (Luna) http://www.mindspring.com/~lunachick http://www.mindspring.com/~designbyluna
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I am trying to be realistic with my portions sizes. (DH is getting me a scale for xmas.)
Ah, I think Jenny may have hit on it. Any chance that your DH can be persuaded to give you your present early? One of the very early things I learned on this WOE is that my eyes and my scale tell a very different story as far as portion size goes. In the beginning I ate far, far too little salad (when I weighed what looked like a reasonable portion of salad, it turned out to be 150g or 160g rather than 200g) and other vegetables and way too much meat (what I would have sworn was 200g turned out to be 300g or even more). More than six months in, I still have to weigh both meat and vegetables and still can’t rely on judging by eye. One day that may come, but it hasn’t yet. — Lexin www.redrosepress.co.uk www.livejournal.com/~lexin LC since 9 June 2003 (300/242/182)
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Hey Jenny, thanks! Great website you have, BTW.. I have cut out cheese and nuts (since yesterday). I’m not at that time of month, and I am not on the pill. I am trying to be realistic with my portions sizes. (DH is getting me a scale for xmas.) PCOS, I don’t think so. Thank you for you input. I’m hanging in. ;) Amy 238/238/180 12/01/03
– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – Amy, A couple things spring to mind, most of them having to do with female hormones. Is it possible that you have PCOS? Women with polycystic ovary syndrome may not lose weight on a low carb diet (or any diet) without the help of a medication that reduces insulin resistance. Is it possible that you are about to get your period? This can also stop apparent weight loss for many women because they gain water weight in the weeks before the period. Are you on progesterone supplements (birth control pills, shots?) These can make weight loss very tough. Are you measuring portions to make sure that the portions you are entering in fitday really are the size you think they are. An ounce of cheese is not much cheese, ditto with nuts, so you might be eating more than you think. Contrary to what others wrote, I don’t think 2200 calories is too low for your current weight if that’s what your currently eating. That’s a little less than 10 times your current body weight and you really don’t want to start out lower than that if you can help it. — Jenny Cut the carbs to respond to my new email address! New photo: http://www.geocities.com/jenny_the_bean/jennypics.htm Weight: 168.5/137 Diabetes Type II diagnosed 8/1998 – HBa1c 5.2 10/03 Low Carb 9/1998 – 8/2001 and 11/10/02 – Now http://www.geocities.com/jenny_the_bean How to calculate your need for protein * How much people really lose each month * Water Weight Gain & Loss * The "Two Gram Cure" for Hunger Cravings * Characteristics of Successful Dieters * Indispensible Low Carb Treats * Should You Count that Low Impact Carb? * Curing Ketobreath * Exercise Starting from Zero * Do Starch Blockers Work? * NEW! Why the Low Carb Diet is Great for Diabetes * NEW! Low Carb Strategies for People with Diabetes Hi, I’ve been lc-ing since Dec. 1st 2003. Strictly counting carbs <20 net carbs per day. Eating only meat, eggs, some cheese, some pecans, 2-3 cups salad/day(or 1 c. vegi’s). Lots of mayo, ranch dressing, and butter. About 10 c. water per day and Atkins #3 basic supplement. No coffee, booze (actually just stopped coffee [1 cup/day] today). I’ve been using fiday to track my calories (amount and distribution). I typically have about 2200 calories per day. 75% from fat, 22% protein and 3% carb. Stay at home mom with a 3yr old and a 1yr old. No formal excercise program, yet. My problem is that the scale really hasn’t budged. 238/238/180. Anybody know what could be going on? Would really appreciate some feedback. Thank you, Amy 238/238/180
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Just am afraid of going too low. If I cut out 2-3 oz of roasted pecans a day that saves me alot of calories right there. Unfourtunatley, they were my late nite munchies. Guess I’ll have to grab the celery, instead.
you could go as low as 1800 calories a day and it wouldn’t be too low. you can eat quite a bit of food for 1800/day, too – especially if you like veggies. hang in there, Amy. sometimes it takes a bit of tweaking to get the diet into place.
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Thank you! I have been (last couple of days), having more salad and celery and cukes. (With plenty of ranch). I’m hangin’ in for the moment. I will not be easily discouraged. Thanks again, Amy 238/238/180 12/01/03 – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – Just am afraid of going too low. If I cut out 2-3 oz of roasted pecans a day that saves me alot of calories right there. Unfourtunatley, they were my late nite munchies. Guess I’ll have to grab the celery, instead. you could go as low as 1800 calories a day and it wouldn’t be too low. you can eat quite a bit of food for 1800/day, too – especially if you like veggies. hang in there, Amy. sometimes it takes a bit of tweaking to get the diet into place.
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Hi, I’ve been lc-ing since Dec. 1st 2003. Strictly counting carbs <20 net carbs per day. Eating only meat, eggs, some cheese, some pecans, 2-3 cups salad/day(or 1 c. vegi’s). Lots of mayo, ranch dressing, and butter. About 10 c. water per day and Atkins #3 basic supplement. No coffee, booze (actually just stopped coffee [1 cup/day] today). I’ve been using fiday to track my calories (amount and distribution). I typically have about 2200 calories per day. 75% from fat, 22% protein and 3% carb. Stay at home mom with a 3yr old and a 1yr old. No formal excercise program, yet. My problem is that the scale really hasn’t budged. 238/238/180. Anybody know what could be going on? Would really appreciate some feedback. Thank you, Amy 238/238/180
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:: I’ve been using fiday to track my calories (amount and :: distribution). I typically have about 2200 calories per day. 75% :: from fat, 22% protein and 3% carb. :: :: Stay at home mom with a 3yr old and a 1yr old. No formal excercise :: program, yet. :: :: My problem is that the scale really hasn’t budged. 238/238/180. :: :: Anybody know what could be going on? :: :: Would really appreciate some feedback. What Queen said…..adjust down until the scales start moving. Try some formal exercise, if possible. But if you can’t, just eat less.
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- Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – Hi, I’ve been lc-ing since Dec. 1st 2003. Strictly counting carbs <20 net carbs per day. Eating only meat, eggs, some cheese, some pecans, 2-3 cups salad/day(or 1 c. vegi’s). Lots of mayo, ranch dressing, and butter. About 10 c. water per day and Atkins #3 basic supplement. No coffee, booze (actually just stopped coffee [1 cup/day] today). I’ve been using fiday to track my calories (amount and distribution). I typically have about 2200 calories per day. 75% from fat, 22% protein and 3% carb. Stay at home mom with a 3yr old and a 1yr old. No formal excercise program, yet. My problem is that the scale really hasn’t budged. 238/238/180. Anybody know what could be going on? Would really appreciate some feedback.
sounds like too many calories to me. try knocking two or three hundred of them a day off, or start exercising. or both. both would be better.
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hi, i’m very new to this board. especially the alt groups. i was refered here by pcos.net and have been wanting to improve my eating habits. i’m not overweight but i’ve been told that eating a low-carb diet will increase my chances of conceiving. i was pregnant last year. but baby miscarried 3 months into. my questions: what atkin’s book do i get? i’ve searched for his books through amazon and there a quite a few. which one would i start with? i was raised in an asian household so i’m use to eating white rice with literally ever meal. i’ve managed to just cut it down to just dinners. hubby will not take less than that! will i have to give that up? i’d really like to get started and get a baby soon. i’m not in a hurry. i’m just miss the feeling. bleh. i’m at 124 lbs. i’d like to lose a little weight. maybe 8 or 9. and maintain that. i’m 5′4". even though i want to get pregnant. i still want to fit into size 3’s while i’m getting there. i’m a – stephanie KISS ME! i’m irish… http://mixxed.ph
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Get his latest book 2001-2002 edition, I think all titles are the same. You may want to try Protein Power or Carb Addicts or Sugar Busters if you must have white rice. Can use switch to brown? I don’t know much about PCOS but if giving up the rice will help you conceiving would that not be worth it? Desiree
hi, i’m very new to this board. especially the alt groups. i was refered here by pcos.net and have been wanting to improve my eating habits. i’m not overweight but i’ve been told that eating a low-carb diet will increase my chances of conceiving. i was pregnant last year. but baby miscarried 3 months into. my questions: what atkin’s book do i get? i’ve searched for his books through amazon and there a quite a few. which one would i start with? i was raised in an asian household so i’m use to eating white rice with literally ever meal. i’ve managed to just cut it down to just dinners. hubby will not take less than that! will i have to give that up? i’d really like to get started and get a baby soon. i’m not in a hurry. i’m just miss the feeling. bleh. i’m at 124 lbs. i’d like to lose a little weight. maybe 8 or 9. and maintain that. i’m 5′4". even though i want to get pregnant. i still want to fit into size 3’s while i’m getting there. i’m a – stephanie KISS ME! i’m irish… http://mixxed.ph
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Stephanie, how are your insulin levels? I read a study in an OB/GYN journal that said miscarriages among PCOS patients were at 50% if they had high insulin levels. The study said when the insulin levels were brought down (they used metformin but I would think a diet could do the same) the levels came down to 10%. In fact, that’s why I’m trying to lose weight & bring my insulin down, because I knew in advance this might be problem in any pregnancy I might attempt. Hope this helped in some way. Lisa 
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– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – hi, i’m very new to this board. especially the alt groups. i was refered here by pcos.net and have been wanting to improve my eating habits. i’m not overweight but i’ve been told that eating a low-carb diet will increase my chances of conceiving. i was pregnant last year. but baby miscarried 3 months into. my questions: what atkin’s book do i get? i’ve searched for his books through amazon and there a quite a few. which one would i start with? i was raised in an asian household so i’m use to eating white rice with literally ever meal. i’ve managed to just cut it down to just dinners. hubby will not take less than that! will i have to give that up? i’d really like to get started and get a baby soon. i’m not in a hurry. i’m just miss the feeling. bleh. i’m at 124 lbs. i’d like to lose a little weight. maybe 8 or 9. and maintain that. i’m 5′4". even though i want to get pregnant. i still want to fit into size 3’s while i’m getting there. i’m a – stephanie KISS ME! i’m irish… http://mixxed.ph
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LOL!! Too funny!!!! Erin 180/180*/135 lc since 6/21/99 *will post results after 2 week induction!!!
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One of my relatives is an RN who got sick of hands on nursing several years ago and is now answering phones for a local hospital "Dial A Nurse". She has always shared funny stories with me about folks who called in but today she had two that I thought were hysterical. 1. "Could you please give me a referral for a doctor in Eternal Medicine?" 2. "I need to know the symptoms for Spinal Laryngitis."
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I posted earlier about being diagnosed the other day and my dr. wants to put me on birth control pills to get my periods going again. I was hoping to use the Metformin, but she said she hadn’t heard anyone use that to treat it. In order to see another doctor I have to get a referral for her. Do you all think I should and if so how??? I have to talk to her in the next day or so. I don’t know which would be better… to be on the bc pills or the Metformin. HELP!!! Thanks a ton! Jenn
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Jenn… Just *my* opinion but I think I would choose to go the Metformin route. Just ask her for a referral to an RE and tell her you would feel more comfortable with an endocrinologist handling your case. I know that I wasted several years with a gyn simply because I loved the lady – she was very kind and compassionate but didn’t know what she was doing ) If I had it to do over again, I would have seen a specialist right away. Just my two cents… Karen http://members.truepath.com/My_Hope/karen.html
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I would say go the Metformin route also… I tried the pill and had a terrible experiance, my PCOS symptoms ended up worse when I stopped taking the pill than before I had started it. I have been on Metformin for 6 months now and have had a good experiance (other than adjusting to it durning the 1st month… see my URL below it explains my experiance on the "MY STORY…" page). Also, to read more about Metformin use for PCOS see the URL I have listed below along with my Home Page URL 
. God Bless You <*(((>< Carrie ;o)~ from Oklahoma Carrie’s Home Page (PCOS) http://hometown.aol.com/cbraly2000/home.index.html For info. on treatment of PCOS with the drug Metformin go to this site… http://www.ivf.com/pcostreat.html
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Jennifer birth control pills sent my blood sugar into a roller coaster ride, I was close to a stroke because of the problems, I had been tested for blood clots on the lungs thanks to the effects metformin – only diarreah when I dont eat a decent meal; my blood sugar has evened out, my eyebrows no longer are scaly, my feet are no longer hardened skin, my oily skin is dry, I dont drink as much as I used to, my mood is improved, I’ve lost almost 20 pounds, I’m no longer cold all the time, my allergies are better…………. shall I go on 
Victoria – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text -Jennifer Marsh wrote: > I posted earlier about being diagnosed the other day and my dr. wants to > put me on birth control pills to get my periods going again. I was > hoping to use the Metformin, but she said she hadn’t heard anyone use > that to treat it. In order to see another doctor I have to get a > referral for her. Do you all think I should and if so how??? I have to > talk to her in the next day or so. I don’t know which would be > better… to be on the bc pills or the Metformin. HELP!!! > Thanks a ton! > Jenn
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I wish they would carry ostrich meat though. Some folks have reported seeing it at Whole Foods but I never have, but I had an ostrichburger at Fuddrucker’s last summer and it was quite yummy.
That was me. I found ostrich meat at Whole Foods, but it was in the frozen food section. It was packaged as "Stir Fry" meat. The small package was expensive…but I just wanted to give it a try because of seeing so many ostrich "ranches" when I went to Texas. — Rudy Check out the a.s.d.l-c FAQ at: http://www.grossweb.com/asdlc/faq.htm < —— PLEASE NOTE: USING SPAM MASK —— < — Remove the Z from my address to respond —
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And the really sad thing is that you guys missed the Ostrich festival here in sunny Arizona. It was last weekend. Chandler Arizona to be exact. If I had been home last weekend I would have gone. Basha’s here in town sell buffalo meat as well as beefalo. Hazel Az – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – I wish they would carry ostrich meat though. Some folks have reported seeing it at Whole Foods but I never have, but I had an ostrichburger at Fuddrucker’s last summer and it was quite yummy. That was me. I found ostrich meat at Whole Foods, but it was in the frozen food section. It was packaged as "Stir Fry" meat. The small package was expensive…but I just wanted to give it a try because of seeing so many ostrich "ranches" when I went to Texas. — Rudy Check out the a.s.d.l-c FAQ at: http://www.grossweb.com/asdlc/faq.htm < —— PLEASE NOTE: USING SPAM MASK —— < — Remove the Z from my address to respond —
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Just wanted to let y’all know that I placed an order tonight for some of the hot dogs and hamburg patties from Heartland Buffalo. Don’t really care for hot dogs all that much but thought they would make for a quick meal at work. I found the prices very reasonable compared to other sources for buffalo meat and the web site is very easy and quick to use. Received a confirmation by email soon after I placed the order. Will let you know how tasty it all is. Now, I have to find some lowcarb catsup. What are hot dogs without catsup!! 140/131/128 Since 9-9-1998
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Anna, try Westbrae Unsweetened Un-Ketchup. It’s 1g per tbsp, ingredients are water, tomato paste, apple cider vinegar, salt, onion and "natural flavor". The label says Carson, CA 90746. Found it in the health food store. Jae – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – Just wanted to let y’all know that I placed an order tonight for some of the hot dogs and hamburg patties from Heartland Buffalo. Don’t really care for hot dogs all that much but thought they would make for a quick meal at work. I found the prices very reasonable compared to other sources for buffalo meat and the web site is very easy and quick to use. Received a confirmation by email soon after I placed the order. Will let you know how tasty it all is. Now, I have to find some lowcarb catsup. What are hot dogs without catsup!! 140/131/128 Since 9-9-1998
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Received my order of buffalo meat (speedy, ordered on Sunday, received on Wednesday). The hot dogs are delicious…and I don’t really care for hot dogs but I love these. The burger is, of course, dry because it’s low fat. And now that that is of no concern I find them lacking. However, next time I cook one I will do it in olive oil which is better than the satuated oil in regular hamburg so I like that. I also received ‘Roam’ the buffalo Beanie Baby as a bonus. A very nice touch and much appreciated. BTW: I have no financial interest in this company but if it should go public, I might buy some shares. Good luck, Brian. 140/131/128 Since 9-9-1998
+AD4-Just wanted to let y’all know that I placed an order tonight for some of the hot +AD4-dogs and hamburg patties from Heartland Buffalo. Don’t really care for hot dogs +AD4-all that much but thought they would make for a quick meal at work. I found the +AD4-prices very reasonable compared to other sources for buffalo meat and the web +AD4-site is very easy and quick to use. Received a confirmation by email soon after +AD4-I placed the order. Will let you know how tasty it all is. Now, I have to find +AD4-some lowcarb catsup. What are hot dogs without catsup+ACEAIQ- +AD4- +AD4- 140/131/128 +AD4- Since 9-9-1998 +AD4-
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Sometimes they have ground buffalo meat at my local Whole Foods. I’ve made meat loaf from it and it was pretty tasty. I wish they would carry ostrich meat though. Some folks have reported seeing it at Whole Foods but I never have, but I had an ostrichburger at Fuddrucker’s last summer and it was quite yummy. — Debbie Cusick I plan to be a procrastinator some day if I ever get around to it. Check out the asdlc FAQ at: http://www.grossweb.com/asdlc
+AD4-Received my order of buffalo meat (speedy, ordered on Sunday, received on +AD4-Wednesday). The hot dogs are delicious…
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I have seen Ostritch meat at Pathmark… but I am not going near it….they are so cute! 5′6" 312(52)-242(44)-160(38?)-work pants size ( Longing to be the woman I was, not the woman I could be! ) *1999* My Millenium Makeover In Progress Losing the weight is only step one. Just Me, Lisa. "I’m not fat..I’m big boned!" -Eric Cartman- *SouthPark* PCOS the Silent Disease << http://www.pcosupport.org
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Thank you Debbie and K in Cali! My Dr did tell me to stay low carb since I have Tyupe II as well as PCO and that the reason so many of her pregnant patients gained too much weight was the "Best Odds Diet" most often prescribed for pregnancy was just way too carby. I am not really trying to lose weight, but I feel soooo sick eating carbs. I will try adding fruit. I started doing the fiber subtraction method to add more carbs like Tempeh and beans. I’M STILL IN KETOSIS! Gee, think I outta grab a Snickers bar? Oh wait, I’m pregnant, make that Snickers andDill Pickles… Just kidding! Thanks for all your support and encouragement! Hugs! SRJ
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Fruit might help. Why not think "original human diet" and eat the kinds of carbs that are available in the wild. That would be food and some starchy root vegetables. Sweet potatoes are a very healthy carb and one that humans have eaten for a long time. Carrots and tomatoes are also good carbs for you to eat. Since you need a lot of calcium, why not eat some of the higher carb cheeses? You might also try some Beano to help you digest carbs if you have lost the enzymes. (I posted about this yesterday, and it did help me.) — Jenny *Sorry about the lack of email address but I’m up to here with spam :<
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This topic has been discussed on the l-c exercise list, and the biology/chemistry brains believe that its a very bad idea to be low-carb (ketone producing) and pregnant. — Rudy Check out the a.s.d.l-c FAQ at: http://www.grossweb.com/asdlc/faq.htm < —— PLEASE NOTE: USING SPAM MASK —— < — Remove the Z from my address to respond —
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Thanks Jenny! I have been eating fruit today and still remain in ketosis! Isn’t it funny how, when trying to lose weight I had to fight to stay in even mild ketosis. Now, not wanting to be there keep seeing the purple get darker and darker… I will add the maters and sweet taters and see if that helps! Thanks again, SRJ
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Hi SRJ, I am glad that your doctor supports your diet, that is so important. I really like beans too and they don’t seem to make me feel bad like grains and other starches do. Best wishes for continued success, K in Cali~Stacking Atkid~Queen of Tuna another FFA of MFW LC webpage: http://www.angelfire.com/ca2/LowcarbingDream Character is a more demanding mistress than anger-deep MFW
:Thank you Debbie and K in Cali! : :My Dr did tell me to stay low carb since I have Tyupe II as well as PCO and :that the reason so many of her pregnant patients gained too much weight was the :"Best Odds Diet" most often prescribed for pregnancy was just way too carby. : :I am not really trying to lose weight, but I feel soooo sick eating carbs. I :will try adding fruit. I started doing the fiber subtraction method to add :more carbs like Tempeh and beans. I’M STILL IN KETOSIS! Gee, think I outta :grab a Snickers bar? Oh wait, I’m pregnant, make that Snickers andDill 
ickles… : :Just kidding! Thanks for all your support and encouragement! : :Hugs! : :SRJ
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talk to your doctor about this, and ask if following the SUGARBUSTERS low carb would be ok with him/her! i was talking to my OB-GYNE about low carb, during my post op visit, and asked what he does with his pregnant mothers. he said SUGARBUSTERS is the way to go! READ AND POST, EVERYDAY! ROSIE EATING IS NOT AN EVENT ! http://www.winternet.com/~terrym/sobriety.html LC/LC/LF FEELING CRABBY? DO US ALL A FAVOR AND USE YOUR KILLFILE! – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – I am 5 months pregnant and need to be careful about weight gain. I am Type II, insulin resistant and took 131 lbs off Atkins and don’t want to get too heavy during prenancy. I was on bedrest for 6 weeks for complications and my church feed us many meals, I could not even shop! I was forced to eat caseroles and rice and shudder…carbs, carbs, carbs… Needless to say I gained some weight. I got back on Atkins a couple weeks ago, trying to really just feel good again (carbs make me awfully sick) and maintain a healthy weight gain pace from here on out. BUT I checked with ketostix yesterday to discover I was 80 in dark purple the second highest rating. Today I tried upping some carbs but remain in trace to light keytones. Is this safe for the baby? I was supposed to gain 35 lbs and have already gained nearly 25 only in my 5th month which is more than I should have at this point…. HELP! Also, does it matter where you are in the keytone range– is slight just as bad as heavy keytones as far as possible weight loss? Thanks in advance to any and all who might respond. I would also enjoy chatting with any other low carbing preggers ladies out there in cyberville….
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you mean its a bad idea to follow a VERY LOW CARB diet in pregnancy right? READ AND POST, EVERYDAY! ROSIE EATING IS NOT AN EVENT ! http://www.winternet.com/~terrym/sobriety.html LC/LC/LF FEELING CRABBY? DO US ALL A FAVOR AND USE YOUR KILLFILE! – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text -This topic has been discussed on the l-c exercise list, and the biology/chemistry brains believe that its a very bad idea to be low-carb (ketone producing) and pregnant. — Rudy Check out the a.s.d.l-c FAQ at: http://www.grossweb.com/asdlc/faq.htm < —— PLEASE NOTE: USING SPAM MASK —— < — Remove the Z from my address to respond —
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SRJ, Another thought, if you are having problems eating starches to knock yourself out of ketosis, you might try taking a Beano pill with them. We lose certain enzymes needed to process starches on this diet, which seems to be what makes us feel sick when we eat them. When I experimented withe Beano it elminated the gastrointestinal distress from eating carbs. — Jenny *Sorry about the lack of email address but I’m up to here with spam :<
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Thanks Jenny I finally broke a 5-day major ketosis state last night. It took over 90 carbs to do it too! Including half a package of creamcheese, some crackers and a handful of cereal. Fruit had not done it, bread had not done it and beans had not done it! Odd, the goal of Atkins is to get into ketosis and I used to long to be in the darkest purple. Now preggers I could not get out of it for a week! I dropped 6 lbs. which is not good. I guess I will really have to work harder to find that happy place of enough carbs to stay out of ketosis but not so many I don’t gain huge amounts of fat! Hugs, SRJ
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SRJ, Just concentrate on having a nice, large, healthy baby! The fat you gain during preganancy should come off with a combination of nursing and low carb afterwards. I had gestational diabetes during both my pregnancies and gained over 40 lbs each time. Because of the diabetes, I had large babies (9 lbs). But they were both extremely healthy and have grown up to be fine healthy kids. My diabetes went away after each pregnancy as soon as the hormones of pregnancy ended and I was able to lose enough weight to be happy with my body afterwards. My son, who is now a football player, gained a pound a week for 14 weeks nursing, which certainly helped get some of that stored fat off! — Jenny *Sorry about the lack of email address but I’m up to here with spam :<
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I am 5 months pregnant and need to be careful about weight gain. I am Type II, insulin resistant and took 131 lbs off Atkins and don’t want to get too heavy during prenancy. I was on bedrest for 6 weeks for complications and my church feed us many meals, I could not even shop! I was forced to eat caseroles and rice and shudder…carbs, carbs, carbs… Needless to say I gained some weight. I got back on Atkins a couple weeks ago, trying to really just feel good again (carbs make me awfully sick) and maintain a healthy weight gain pace from here on out. BUT I checked with ketostix yesterday to discover I was 80 in dark purple the second highest rating. Today I tried upping some carbs but remain in trace to light keytones. Is this safe for the baby? I was supposed to gain 35 lbs and have already gained nearly 25 only in my 5th month which is more than I should have at this point…. HELP! Also, does it matter where you are in the keytone range– is slight just as bad as heavy keytones as far as possible weight loss? Thanks in advance to any and all who might respond. I would also enjoy chatting with any other low carbing preggers ladies out there in cyberville….
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Well there are a couple others out there that I know of - Wendy and Connie, don’t know if either are still lurking, but I have seen Connie show up in the LC chat at chat.talkcity.com on Tuesday, Thursday and Sunday evenings – but I have not been there lately myself. 9:00 PM EST is too late for me. LOL. — Debbie Cusick I plan to be a procrastinator some day if I ever get around to it. Check out the asdlc FAQ at: http://www.grossweb.com/asdlc
Thanks in advance to any and all who might respond. I would also enjoy chatting with any other low carbing preggers ladies out there in
cyberville….
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Atkins style lowcarbing is not the best thing you can do during your pregnancy. If you want to avoid gaining weight but still want to basically lowcarb, try adding fresh fruits to your diet. That would be my suggestion. BUT TALK TO YOUR DOCTOR. He/she is probably aware of your weight history (and he/she isn’t you need to tell ‘em) and will be in a better position to help you. Best wishes, K in Cali
:I am 5 months pregnant and need to be careful about weight gain. I am Type II, :insulin resistant and took 131 lbs off Atkins and don’t want to get too heavy :during prenancy. I was on bedrest for 6 weeks for complications and my church :feed us many meals, I could not even shop! I was forced to eat caseroles and :rice and shudder…carbs, carbs, carbs… Needless to say I gained some weight. : I got back on Atkins a couple weeks ago, trying to really just feel good again 
carbs make me awfully sick) and maintain a healthy weight gain pace from here n out. BUT I checked with ketostix yesterday to discover I was 80 in dark :purple the second highest rating. Today I tried upping some carbs but remain :in trace to light keytones. : :Is this safe for the baby? I was supposed to gain 35 lbs and have already :gained nearly 25 only in my 5th month which is more than I should have at this :point…. : :HELP! : :Also, does it matter where you are in the keytone range– is slight just as bad :as heavy keytones as far as possible weight loss? : :Thanks in advance to any and all who might respond. I would also enjoy :chatting with any other low carbing preggers ladies out there in cyberville…. : :
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Yup..bought mine thru their(rubbermaid) website..never saw them in stores…amazing little bottles huh! 5′6" 312(52)-247(44)-160?(32?)-work pants size ( Longing to be the woman I was, not the woman I could be! ) *1999* My Millenium Makeover In Progress Losing the weight is only step one. Just Me, Lisa. "I’m not fat..I’m big boned!" -Eric Cartman- *SouthPark* PCOS the Silent Disease << http://www.pcosupport.org
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I was shopping today with my DH, and I found the greatest water bottle at Lechter’s – a kitchen gadget type store. It’s made by Rubbermaid, holds 20 ounces, is insulated and has it’s own water filter! No more yucky tap water for me while I’m at work! The package says it filters 960 8 oz glasses of water, and there are replacement filters available. It was $6.99, and I think the replacement filters were about the same. Jae 197/185/140? since 1/11/99 — "Attractive to the eye and pleasing to the smell." Wicked Witch of the West
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I’m 26 almost 27 been trying to get pregnant for 3 years know. I am fine except I have trouble ovulating every month which is taken care of by clomid soon to be pergonal. I also have a low progestern level which has been treated with Progestern 200 mg slow release 2x a day. This has really helped also. My husband has a count of 8m. We have done 2 inseminations and nothing yet . Anyone with anything similar who has done inseminations that have gotten pregnant 6 trys?
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I’m 26 almost 27 been trying to get pregnant for 3 years know. I am fine except I have trouble ovulating every month which is taken care of by clomid soon to be pergonal. I also have a low progestern level which has been treated with Progestern 200 mg slow release 2x a day. This has really helped also. My husband has a count of 8m. We have done 2 inseminations and nothing yet . Anyone with anything similar who has done inseminations that have gotten pregnant 6 trys?
Try going to the www.inciid.org site and the www.pcosupport.org sites. Not ovulating is the major symptom of PCO, and there are herbs that you can take to supplement what you are already taking. Good luck, Paris The contents of this message express only the sender’s opinion. This message does not necessarily reflect the policy or views of my employer, Merck & Co., Inc. All responsibility for the statements made in this Usenet posting resides solely and completely with the sender.
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i hope the first timei am paying alot
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Rebecca Ward <wa…@cs.odu.edu> wrote: >Is there any bleeding from the needle holes, or are they so shallow that >bleeding doens’t occur? > Rebecca
Typically, at least in my experience, most of the acupuncture spots do not bleed. If they do, Jerry wipes them clean with an alcohol cotton swab before I even move, so I don’t see it. I have had a few spots bleed only a little – much less than if you were to prick your finger with a sewing needle, and it only happens once the needle is removed. Because the needles are so fine (thin) they close up almost instantly. In the same line of thought, I have had a few very minor bruises as well – on my leg and foot. Only once on the back of my hand, but again, these clear up very rapidly, and with my (way too) white skin, they aren’t very noticeable. I don’t usually bruise easily, but Jerry does rather aggressive acupuncture, (which I seem tolerate well) I’m off for my next treatment tomorrow Any more questions? Just ask Christi
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I would be interested in hearing what it is like. Also, does medical insurance pay for it? And about how much is an average visit? – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text -Christi wrote: > "Mark Stalter" <stalt…@neycom.ca> wrote: > >Hi There, > >Have any of you tried Acupuncture for your PCO? I am on Clomid now, and > >have just come off of 6 months of Lupron injections. I want to do > >everything I can before I jump into the world of IVF. > >I also want to know if any of you have had great success with the CAD > >program. I have been eating better and exercising lately, but I have a > >feeling that I am a prime candidate for CAD. > >Thanks for your help. > >Tina from the Frozen North > Tina, > I am currently in acupuncture treatments 2 x a week. I have only just > begun this journey, so I don’t have much info about how it is working > for me. I have been told by numerous acupuncturists that it can > successfully treat PCO. > I can say, though I have yet to see any real change in my pco > symptoms, I have seen remarkable improvement in other conditions. For > example, 7 months after breaking my ankle, I was still suffering daily > from the effects of stiff ligaments and the doctors were still > ‘threatening’ me with surgery. Needless to say, I was progressing very > slowly. I couldn’t walk with any real speed, and could only take small > to moderate steps. One day after having acupuncture on my ankle, I was > able to really walk for the first time in months, and with only 3 > treatments, I am 80-85% back to normal! This is after several months > of traditional therapies. > This experience is giving me great hope that acupuncture will help > control the symptoms of PCO. > Hope that helps > Christi > P.S. If you’re interested in hearing about -what- acupuncture is like, > let me know. I would have loved for someone to tell me about it before > I went in. Let me assure though you that it’s far easier than a trip > to the dentist.
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Is there any bleeding from the needle holes, or are they so shallow that bleeding doens’t occur? – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text -Christi wrote: > Rebecca Ward <wa…@cs.odu.edu> wrote: > >I would be interested in hearing what it is like. Also, does medical > >insurance pay for it? And about how much is an average visit? > Personally, I do not have health insurance, so every treatment I pay > for out of my pocket. However, when I was investigating differrent > insurance options a while back, I remember that most companies did > cover acupuncture – usually up to 12 treatments per year – the same as > chiropractic. And, as with chiropractic treatments, you are usually > allowed to have the dr. submit proof that he/she feels that you need > more treatments for your condition. But, it will really depend on your > insurance company. > For me, here in So. Cal. I pay my LAc. $50/treatment, not including > any herbal supplements he prescribes for me. However, the average > price is abouot $40-$45 everywhere else. > Before I tell you what treatments are like, I would suggest that you > thoroughly interview any acupuncturist on the phone before you make > any appointments. For me, I wanted to know how many years experience > he/she had, whether or not they use disposable needles (Jerry, the > LAc. I am seeing uses both – and sterilizes his needles daily in the > autoclave, the same way a dentist or dr. sterilizes the equipment they > use), how long each treatment lasts, etc. A big question for me was > whether or not he/she will treat more than two things at once. For > example, if I come in for my usual treatment and have a horrid > headache, will they automatically treat that, or will I have to pay > extra? I also wanted to know, on average, how many needles would be > used. Most have told me about 12, but so far, Jerry has used around 20 > to treat me for my sinus infection, ankle and pco. Also, you will want > to ask whether the LAc. practices Chinese acupuncture, or Japanese > acupuncture. The difference, so I’ve been told, is how the needling is > done. Also, I’ve been to one LAc. who didn’t even keep records. I > signed nothing when I went into his office, and he kept no charts on > me. Needless to say, I only went there once. Jerry keeps meticulous > charts and goes over how I’m doing at every visit. > As for what the treatments are like, it will really vary depending on > how one feels about needles. The needles are rather small and thin – > almost like a thick strand of hair – and for the most part, they are > painless. I won’t lie and say that I don’t feel a thing ever, because > there are certain points that are somewhat painful when the needle is > inserted (and Jerry is trained in the Chinese method, which is > somewhat more aggressive than the Japanese method.) But after the > needles are inserted, the pain leaves and I often forget where the > needles have been put. (I should mention that the needles that have > been painful are the ones he’s used for my sinus infection and > earache, not the ones for pco treatment). > For each treatment, I have to wear loose clothing (sweat pants and > short sleeved t-shirt are good). Usually, I lie on my back on the > table with my pants down to my pubic bone, and pant legs pulled up > just above my knees, and barefeet. He puts needles in my hands or > wrists (occasionally in my forearm) in my lower abdomen (three nearly > straight across) and one just below each knee, near the inside of each > ankle, and on the tops of my feet just near my big toe. All told, > that’s about 11 needles for the pco. > I,like most people, was apprehensive when I first went, and even the > first couple times going there. The anticipation can be a bit > nerve-wracking. But after only about 5 or 6 treatments (2 each week) I > have finally gotten to the point that I can lie there with my eyes > closed and relax while each needle goes in and nearly fall asleep in > the 30-45 minutes I’m being treated. I’ve also learned to relax when > he comes in to remove the needles. My first inclination was to start > moving when I thought he was done removing them all. He had to remind > me several times to lie still until he made certain he had removed all > the needles. > Basically, the whole treatment is one big relaxation treatment. If you > let it, acupuncture will help you feel refreshed and renewed. But it > requires some discipline to make it happen. > Just yesterday, I had nearly fallen asleep lying there on the table > (if the power in the building hadn’t gone out, I wouldn’t have gotten > a bit chilly and woke up). When I walked back out into the waiting > room, there was a new patient waiting to see Jerry. She looked at me > with wide eyes and said "I can’t wait to feel like *that*!" She made > me laugh. > Just remember what I said before, going to get acupuncture is a whole > lot easier than a trip to the dentist. Not only that, but it is one of > the only ways I have found to allow myself to really relax during the > work day. > I hope that helps. I do tend to ramble, so I’m sorry that this is so > long. But I am so excited about how acupuncture has been helping me, > that I can’t help but share as much as I can with everyone else. > If anyone has anymore questions, please feel free to ask. > Christi
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Rebecca Ward <wa…@cs.odu.edu> wrote: >I would be interested in hearing what it is like. Also, does medical >insurance pay for it? And about how much is an average visit?
Personally, I do not have health insurance, so every treatment I pay for out of my pocket. However, when I was investigating differrent insurance options a while back, I remember that most companies did cover acupuncture – usually up to 12 treatments per year – the same as chiropractic. And, as with chiropractic treatments, you are usually allowed to have the dr. submit proof that he/she feels that you need more treatments for your condition. But, it will really depend on your insurance company. For me, here in So. Cal. I pay my LAc. $50/treatment, not including any herbal supplements he prescribes for me. However, the average price is abouot $40-$45 everywhere else. Before I tell you what treatments are like, I would suggest that you thoroughly interview any acupuncturist on the phone before you make any appointments. For me, I wanted to know how many years experience he/she had, whether or not they use disposable needles (Jerry, the LAc. I am seeing uses both – and sterilizes his needles daily in the autoclave, the same way a dentist or dr. sterilizes the equipment they use), how long each treatment lasts, etc. A big question for me was whether or not he/she will treat more than two things at once. For example, if I come in for my usual treatment and have a horrid headache, will they automatically treat that, or will I have to pay extra? I also wanted to know, on average, how many needles would be used. Most have told me about 12, but so far, Jerry has used around 20 to treat me for my sinus infection, ankle and pco. Also, you will want to ask whether the LAc. practices Chinese acupuncture, or Japanese acupuncture. The difference, so I’ve been told, is how the needling is done. Also, I’ve been to one LAc. who didn’t even keep records. I signed nothing when I went into his office, and he kept no charts on me. Needless to say, I only went there once. Jerry keeps meticulous charts and goes over how I’m doing at every visit. As for what the treatments are like, it will really vary depending on how one feels about needles. The needles are rather small and thin – almost like a thick strand of hair – and for the most part, they are painless. I won’t lie and say that I don’t feel a thing ever, because there are certain points that are somewhat painful when the needle is inserted (and Jerry is trained in the Chinese method, which is somewhat more aggressive than the Japanese method.) But after the needles are inserted, the pain leaves and I often forget where the needles have been put. (I should mention that the needles that have been painful are the ones he’s used for my sinus infection and earache, not the ones for pco treatment). For each treatment, I have to wear loose clothing (sweat pants and short sleeved t-shirt are good). Usually, I lie on my back on the table with my pants down to my pubic bone, and pant legs pulled up just above my knees, and barefeet. He puts needles in my hands or wrists (occasionally in my forearm) in my lower abdomen (three nearly straight across) and one just below each knee, near the inside of each ankle, and on the tops of my feet just near my big toe. All told, that’s about 11 needles for the pco. I,like most people, was apprehensive when I first went, and even the first couple times going there. The anticipation can be a bit nerve-wracking. But after only about 5 or 6 treatments (2 each week) I have finally gotten to the point that I can lie there with my eyes closed and relax while each needle goes in and nearly fall asleep in the 30-45 minutes I’m being treated. I’ve also learned to relax when he comes in to remove the needles. My first inclination was to start moving when I thought he was done removing them all. He had to remind me several times to lie still until he made certain he had removed all the needles. Basically, the whole treatment is one big relaxation treatment. If you let it, acupuncture will help you feel refreshed and renewed. But it requires some discipline to make it happen. Just yesterday, I had nearly fallen asleep lying there on the table (if the power in the building hadn’t gone out, I wouldn’t have gotten a bit chilly and woke up). When I walked back out into the waiting room, there was a new patient waiting to see Jerry. She looked at me with wide eyes and said "I can’t wait to feel like *that*!" She made me laugh. Just remember what I said before, going to get acupuncture is a whole lot easier than a trip to the dentist. Not only that, but it is one of the only ways I have found to allow myself to really relax during the work day. I hope that helps. I do tend to ramble, so I’m sorry that this is so long. But I am so excited about how acupuncture has been helping me, that I can’t help but share as much as I can with everyone else. If anyone has anymore questions, please feel free to ask. Christi
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Hello Tina, there is a natural approch to pco support group called pconatural.We discuss herbal solutions as well as TCM (traditional chinese medicine) and also Acupuncture. You can join by goin to http://www.geocities.com/Wellesley/3549/index.html from there it should give you instructions on how to join. There are a few ladies that are goin the acupuncture route who can tell you more about it. hope this helps Lori Mark Stalter <stalt…@neycom.ca> wrote in article <693j57$2n…@tor-nn1.netcom.ca>… – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text -> Hi There, > Have any of you tried Acupuncture for your PCO? I am on Clomid now, and > have just come off of 6 months of Lupron injections. I want to do > everything I can before I jump into the world of IVF. > I also want to know if any of you have had great success with the CAD > program. I have been eating better and exercising lately, but I have a > feeling that I am a prime candidate for CAD. > Thanks for your help. > Tina from the Frozen North
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Hi There, Have any of you tried Acupuncture for your PCO? I am on Clomid now, and have just come off of 6 months of Lupron injections. I want to do everything I can before I jump into the world of IVF. I also want to know if any of you have had great success with the CAD program. I have been eating better and exercising lately, but I have a feeling that I am a prime candidate for CAD. Thanks for your help. Tina from the Frozen North
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"Mark Stalter" <stalt…@neycom.ca> wrote: >Hi There, >Have any of you tried Acupuncture for your PCO? I am on Clomid now, and >have just come off of 6 months of Lupron injections. I want to do >everything I can before I jump into the world of IVF. >I also want to know if any of you have had great success with the CAD >program. I have been eating better and exercising lately, but I have a >feeling that I am a prime candidate for CAD. >Thanks for your help. >Tina from the Frozen North
Tina, I am currently in acupuncture treatments 2 x a week. I have only just begun this journey, so I don’t have much info about how it is working for me. I have been told by numerous acupuncturists that it can successfully treat PCO. I can say, though I have yet to see any real change in my pco symptoms, I have seen remarkable improvement in other conditions. For example, 7 months after breaking my ankle, I was still suffering daily from the effects of stiff ligaments and the doctors were still ‘threatening’ me with surgery. Needless to say, I was progressing very slowly. I couldn’t walk with any real speed, and could only take small to moderate steps. One day after having acupuncture on my ankle, I was able to really walk for the first time in months, and with only 3 treatments, I am 80-85% back to normal! This is after several months of traditional therapies. This experience is giving me great hope that acupuncture will help control the symptoms of PCO. Hope that helps Christi P.S. If you’re interested in hearing about -what- acupuncture is like, let me know. I would have loved for someone to tell me about it before I went in. Let me assure though you that it’s far easier than a trip to the dentist.
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Michaela, Wow, that is a tremendous improvement, and so quickly! It sounds like you are following the CADiet, is that true? Sally ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ Prof. Sally Glover mailto:ProfSa…@aol.com DES info & FAQs http://www.geocities.com/HotSprings/2510 ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
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Sandi– >OK, I’m very interested!!! I’ve been following that you have been on >this diet,and now with this result I’m all ears. Is this the CAD diet?? >I have read both the Atkins and the Zone, but this sounds diffirent. I’m >going to Dr. on Thurs, and I want to get tested. What all should I be >tested for?? I have PCO, obviously, but I was never told I did until >about 9 months ago. I have been in IF treatment for 6 yrs, I guess my Dr. >didn’t think I needed to know!! I want to try my one last IUI , before >moving on to IVF, in Aug or Sept, and I think I might better my chances >by droping some pounds!
It’s sort of post-CAD. Just cut out all rice, pasta and breads. Eat low-insulin responding veggies. Cut the carbs out. Have your insulin tested, both fasting and an hour after you’ve eaten. If you come up over 20 on fasting, you’re in the gray area [25 is considered high in the lab I used] and random depends on the lab…I think the gray area starts at 50 and mine was 84. My husband dropped 15 pounds in one month. We can have custard, and all kinds of naughty foods, just once a day. We tried having sticky buns with breakfast once, but I guess after your levels start to go down, you can really tell the difference…I got *so* sick, I never want to have them again! m ——————————————————- In the beginning there was the Word. And the Word was Chocolate. And it was good… Confections, 1.5 ounces, 240 calories.
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