Filed under: PCO
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What’s the best treatment to kill these pests in my yard?
Nuclear weapons. Or move your house north where there aren’t (m)any termites. :-)
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Wolmanized, Bob, Uli, Mike, Unholy help me out here. I have never used this word. What the hell does it mean.
A brand of pressure-treated wood. See http://www.wolmanizedwood.com/faqs.htm. Guy
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Thanks I had never heard of it. I don’t know much about different woods. Thanks for clearing that up for me…. — I wish the best to you…..Tim
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I’d just go with a metal post for the mailbox and vinyl or metal fence posts. Let them have the dead trees. That’s what they’re supposed to eat. Get a pro to inspect the house and treat if necessary. The money you save by treating it yourself won’t be nearly as much as the repair bill.
– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – Wolmanized, Bob, Uli, Mike, Unholy help me out here. I have never used this word. What the hell does it mean. I am wondering if it was supposed to be womanized? Hey I know about that. I am going to look up the definition to that word and see what I am missing. Uli I am going to do it for my Piece of Here in WV there are as many as 12 to 15 colonies of termites per acre of land. If you want to do something about your yard, you will have to do it yourself, because it would not be allowed for a professional to treat the yard. At least not by any of the Termiticides I have ever used. Termidor is a great product and it works well. If you want to have your home treated then you should look for someone to use that. A bait system would not be a bad system to use. Moron baits, I have never heard of those but there are several others that have been proven. I will recommend a liquid treatment, but if the customer does not want all of the drilling and the joys of pulling carpet, moving furniture, etc etc. Then I will offer a bait treatment. The thing I do with the baits I use is I do a partial treatment where the termites are active to make them search other places for food. To slam down a comment like baits are moron treatments shows that the ways termites forage is not evident. I have many bait jobs that have had termites in the baits and now they are gone. I will not go as far as to say they are eliminated, but they have gone elsewhere looking for food. I don’t know where the idea of tenting came from, it was not mentioned in the original post. Get a professional to look at your home, and like you said in the original post check your basement because you have no crawl spaces. You have to make the final decision on what you need done. If you truly feel you will be fleeced then maybe you should call the regulatory office than regulates the PCO’s and let them help you. They can advise you about what equipment you need to buy to treat properly. You can probably get in somewhere between 10 to 15 thousand to get the equipment needed to do a proper treatment. Also keep in mind that does not cover anything else. Re-read Bob’s post and you will get an idea of some of the other things — I wish the best to you…..Tim
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Wolmanized, Bob, Uli, Mike, Unholy help me out here. I have never used this word. What the hell does it mean. I am wondering if it was supposed to be womanized? Hey I know about that. I am going to look up the definition to that word and see what I am missing. Uli I am going to do it for my Piece of Here in WV there are as many as 12 to 15 colonies of termites per acre of land. If you want to do something about your yard, you will have to do it yourself, because it would not be allowed for a professional to treat the yard. At least not by any of the Termiticides I have ever used. Termidor is a great product and it works well. If you want to have your home treated then you should look for someone to use that. A bait system would not be a bad system to use. Moron baits, I have never heard of those but there are several others that have been proven. I will recommend a liquid treatment, but if the customer does not want all of the drilling and the joys of pulling carpet, moving furniture, etc etc. Then I will offer a bait treatment. The thing I do with the baits I use is I do a partial treatment where the termites are active to make them search other places for food. To slam down a comment like baits are moron treatments shows that the ways termites forage is not evident. I have many bait jobs that have had termites in the baits and now they are gone. I will not go as far as to say they are eliminated, but they have gone elsewhere looking for food. I don’t know where the idea of tenting came from, it was not mentioned in the original post. Get a professional to look at your home, and like you said in the original post check your basement because you have no crawl spaces. You have to make the final decision on what you need done. If you truly feel you will be fleeced then maybe you should call the regulatory office than regulates the PCO’s and let them help you. They can advise you about what equipment you need to buy to treat properly. You can probably get in somewhere between 10 to 15 thousand to get the equipment needed to do a proper treatment. Also keep in mind that does not cover anything else. Re-read Bob’s post and you will get an idea of some of the other things — I wish the best to you…..Tim
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I’ve found termites everywhere in my yard… They’ve taken down several dead trees, are now eating my wood fence and have even started eating my mailbox post! What’s the best treatment to kill these pests in my yard? I live in Georgia. No sign of them getting to my house, yet! Luckily I’m on a basement with a heavy concrete foundation. I’ve been spraying the perimeter of my house with general pesticides but I’m worried now that I’ve found so many of them in my yard. I’ve found both the black ones with wings and the smaller white slimy ones. Anything I can do before I have to call one of the pest control companies and get fleeced!
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but I’m worried now that I’ve found so many of them in my yard. I’ve found both the black ones with wings and the smaller white slimy ones. Anything I can do before I have to call one of the pest control companies and get fleeced!
Nope. Nothing you can do. Put out a new mailbox post that has been pre-treated and wolmanized, pre-treat any new wood you put into your house with Bora-Care or similar borax-based wood preservative, and look for an active infestation in your crawl space (termite tubes etc.). If you find one, call an exterminator immediately and ask them to treat your house. Ask them how they plan to treat your house. If they plan to treat your house with anything except Termidor, go elsewhere. Especially avoid the "bait" systems as used by several of the big name pest control chains, those morons will be fussing around with their silly baits saying "Nope, no termites here!" all the while that termites are chowing down on your house, all fat and happy with no motivation to go out and look for those morons’ baits. The only reason you would need your house tented would be if it was Formosans, which, alas, are spreading out all across the East Coast so may be in your area. A Formosan colony needs little moisture after established so the Termidor might not kill it off. You’ll still need the Termidor to prevent reinfestation though. — There is no distinctly native American criminal class except Congress. – Mark Twain
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I don’t get it. If they’re operating illegally, I don’t have recourse? Of course I do–with the courts and the police. They’re the ones who don’t have recourse if we have a dispute! And why, all of a sudden is there a major risk? Do you think the London PCO makes them healthy or safe? If they are the 2 largest companies, they need to operate safely and in a healthy manner (whatever that means) for their own sakes. Please explain further if you can. – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – Before the group police come jumping down my throat. NO this isn’t an advert for a service, we have removed all of our urls and sigs from this post. This Contains VITAL information for anyone who uses any sort of airport/cruise/limo/minicab/chauffeur/transfer service in London. In case you were NOT aware, since October 2001 it has been ILLEGAL for any company to trade as car services of any sort, unless they have a licence issued by the Public Carriage Office. More on the P.C.O at http://www.tfl.gov.uk/pco/ Now I cannot stress this Strongly enough, Londons 2 largest companies (and quite a lot of smaller ones) do NOT have licences (at the time of writing) and they are operating ILLEGALLY, and if you use them, you or your clients have no Legal recourse against these companies. These companies are relying on the fact that you are ignorant of UK law, and they assume you will use them because you dont know any different. I urge you to check the car service you use, are they Licensed?, and dont just take their word for it, check at the P.C.O website http://www.tfl.gov.uk/pco/ If the company you use is based in London and hasnt got a licence, you or your clients are taking a major risk with your health and safety.
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Funny, on the page referenced: The Mayor of London, Ken Livingstone, has pointed out that the vast majority of London minicab operators, drivers and their vehicles do a good, safe and reliable job but this needs to apply to all of the trade. Announcing this consultation period the Mayor says: It’s like requiring a license in the UK to watch TV, if you don’t have it you are watching TV illegally. It’s an income source, nothing more, and as the Mayor of London himself says, the vast majority do a good safe, and reliable job (which to me must include the two largest companies, or it wouldn’t be a vast majority). I certainly hope the officials over there read the internet so they can shut these unlicensed thugs down.
– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – I don’t get it. If they’re operating illegally, I don’t have recourse? Of course I do–with the courts and the police. They’re the ones who don’t have recourse if we have a dispute! And why, all of a sudden is there a major risk? Do you think the London PCO makes them healthy or safe? If they are the 2 largest companies, they need to operate safely and in a healthy manner (whatever that means) for their own sakes. Please explain further if you can. Before the group police come jumping down my throat. NO this isn’t an advert for a service, we have removed all of our urls and sigs from this post. This Contains VITAL information for anyone who uses any sort of airport/cruise/limo/minicab/chauffeur/transfer service in London. In case you were NOT aware, since October 2001 it has been ILLEGAL for any company to trade as car services of any sort, unless they have a licence issued by the Public Carriage Office. More on the P.C.O at http://www.tfl.gov.uk/pco/ Now I cannot stress this Strongly enough, Londons 2 largest companies (and quite a lot of smaller ones) do NOT have licences (at the time of writing) and they are operating ILLEGALLY, and if you use them, you or your clients have no Legal recourse against these companies. These companies are relying on the fact that you are ignorant of UK law, and they assume you will use them because you dont know any different. I urge you to check the car service you use, are they Licensed?, and dont just take their word for it, check at the P.C.O website http://www.tfl.gov.uk/pco/ If the company you use is based in London and hasnt got a licence, you or your clients are taking a major risk with your health and safety.
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Brian — I noticed your web signature. I have sent 3 messages to your site asking for pricing and never received a reply back. Do you monitor that email grant – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – I don’t get it. If they’re operating illegally, I don’t have recourse? Of course I do–with the courts and the police. They’re the ones who don’t have recourse if we have a dispute! And why, all of a sudden is there a major risk? Do you think the London PCO makes them healthy or safe? If they are the 2 largest companies, they need to operate safely and in a healthy manner (whatever that means) for their own sakes. Please explain further if you can. Sure, if you take a ride with a firm that is unlicensed and you are involved in an accident, or overcharged, or driven in a dangerous or unsafe manner or vehicle there is almost nothing you can do about it. Sure you can persue the company through the courts here, but that would cost you an absolute fortune, and sure you can report them to the ploice, and the maximum penalty for an unlicenced company is something silly like a
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Hi Everyone, I just found out I have PCO through a blood test. Does anyone have any suggestions for a doc or meds that have helped them? I am starting to read a lot on this topic and research it now. Thanks! Susan
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Hi, I have PCO and endo. As for meds, can be a number of things depending on what you want to do and what your goals are. If you want to chat, since this is a endo forum, you are welcome to email me privately. Victoria
– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – Hi Everyone, I just found out I have PCO through a blood test. Does anyone have any suggestions for a doc or meds that have helped them? I am starting to read a lot on this topic and research it now. Thanks! Susan
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Can anyone site links which explain PCO and the benefits of Low Carb eating? TIA, Chele
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Go and get the book "Syndrome X" It could help you. Demon "Chele" <ch…@miraclebabies.org> wrote in message
news:jPrH8.21397$cQ3.1461@sccrnsc01… – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text -> Can anyone site links which explain PCO and the benefits of Low Carb eating? > TIA, > Chele
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Did anyone have a denial by their prescription plan stating that Glucophage XR has nothing in any medical journal about its usage in PCO? Merck Medco told me this a.m. that. There is an appeal process but I want to be prepared. Any assistance would be appreciated.
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it is covered for insulin resistence try that. Misty "Flewidmotion" <flewidmot…@aol.com> wrote in message
news:20020513083344.21840.00012383@mb-ch.aol.com… – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text -> Did anyone have a denial by their prescription plan stating that Glucophage XR > has nothing in any medical journal about its usage in PCO? > Merck Medco told me this a.m. that. There is an appeal process but I want to > be prepared. Any assistance would be appreciated.
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Is regular metformin (glucophage) covered? They might just be trying to get out of paying for a non-generic, high-priced medication. Leigh "Flewidmotion" <flewidmot…@aol.com> wrote in message
news:20020513083344.21840.00012383@mb-ch.aol.com… – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text -> Did anyone have a denial by their prescription plan stating that Glucophage XR > has nothing in any medical journal about its usage in PCO? > Merck Medco told me this a.m. that. There is an appeal process but I want to > be prepared. Any assistance would be appreciated.
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Hi, I’m back and lurking (kind of) after about a year. I hope to see more posts soon. I have PCO as does my daughter (15) and my niece (16). Love Cathy — P.H.O.B.I.A. Off-line NJ Panic/Anxiety support Group http://community.nj.com/cc/phobia If someone listens, or stretches out a hand, or whispers a kind word of encouragement, or attempts to understand a lonely person, extraordinary things begin to happen. ~Loretta Girzatlis~
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Welcome Cathy, I am new also 
Jennifer "Phobia" <pho…@comcast.net> wrote in message
news:uWCj8.444687$eS3.33560538@bin3.nnrp.aus1.giganews.com… – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text -> Hi, > I’m back and lurking (kind of) after about a year. I hope to see more posts > soon. I have PCO as does my daughter (15) and my niece (16). > Love > Cathy > — > P.H.O.B.I.A. > Off-line NJ Panic/Anxiety support Group > http://community.nj.com/cc/phobia > If someone listens, or stretches out a hand, or whispers a kind word of > encouragement, or attempts to understand a lonely person, > extraordinary things begin to happen. > ~Loretta Girzatlis~
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Hi Jennifer, I used to post here a few years ago, there was much more traffic here then, I wonder what happened? Love Cathy — P.H.O.B.I.A. Off-line NJ Panic/Anxiety support Group http://community.nj.com/cc/phobia If someone listens, or stretches out a hand, or whispers a kind word of encouragement, or attempts to understand a lonely person, extraordinary things begin to happen. ~Loretta Girzatlis~ "Jennifer" <jenniferlhalenos…@houston.rr.com> wrote in message
news:w9Hj8.12$Dv6.10529@typhoon.austin.rr.com… – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text -> Welcome Cathy, I am new also > Jennifer > "Phobia" <pho…@comcast.net> wrote in message > news:uWCj8.444687$eS3.33560538@bin3.nnrp.aus1.giganews.com… > > Hi, > > I’m back and lurking (kind of) after about a year. I hope to see more > posts > > soon. I have PCO as does my daughter (15) and my niece (16). > > Love > > Cathy > > — > > P.H.O.B.I.A. > > Off-line NJ Panic/Anxiety support Group > > http://community.nj.com/cc/phobia > > If someone listens, or stretches out a hand, or whispers a kind word of > > encouragement, or attempts to understand a lonely person, > > extraordinary things begin to happen. > > ~Loretta Girzatlis~
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Everyone was cured and went away. Just kidding. I believe most of the traffic has moved over to soulcysters.com Shannon "Phobia" <pho…@comcast.net> wrote in message
news:vmLj8.66453$uv5.5457278@bin6.nnrp.aus1.giganews.com… – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text -> Hi Jennifer, > I used to post here a few years ago, there was much more traffic here then, > I wonder what happened? > Love > Cathy > — > P.H.O.B.I.A. > Off-line NJ Panic/Anxiety support Group > http://community.nj.com/cc/phobia > If someone listens, or stretches out a hand, or whispers a kind word of > encouragement, or attempts to understand a lonely person, > extraordinary things begin to happen. > ~Loretta Girzatlis~ > "Jennifer" <jenniferlhalenos…@houston.rr.com> wrote in message > news:w9Hj8.12$Dv6.10529@typhoon.austin.rr.com… > > Welcome Cathy, I am new also > > Jennifer > > "Phobia" <pho…@comcast.net> wrote in message > > news:uWCj8.444687$eS3.33560538@bin3.nnrp.aus1.giganews.com… > > > Hi, > > > I’m back and lurking (kind of) after about a year. I hope to see more > > posts > > > soon. I have PCO as does my daughter (15) and my niece (16). > > > Love > > > Cathy > > > — > > > P.H.O.B.I.A. > > > Off-line NJ Panic/Anxiety support Group > > > http://community.nj.com/cc/phobia > > > If someone listens, or stretches out a hand, or whispers a kind word of > > > encouragement, or attempts to understand a lonely person, > > > extraordinary things begin to happen. > > > ~Loretta Girzatlis~
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That’s interesting from what I heard. Most of us just don’t have the time we used to. Some have moved on to other groups. There are several newsgroups that way. Victoria "Shannon" <shanno…@cox.net> wrote in message
news:8YRj8.29748$5S6.1425009@news2.west.cox.net… – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text -> Everyone was cured and went away. Just kidding. I believe most of the > traffic has moved over to soulcysters.com > Shannon > "Phobia" <pho…@comcast.net> wrote in message > news:vmLj8.66453$uv5.5457278@bin6.nnrp.aus1.giganews.com… > > Hi Jennifer, > > I used to post here a few years ago, there was much more traffic here > then, > > I wonder what happened? > > Love > > Cathy > > — > > P.H.O.B.I.A. > > Off-line NJ Panic/Anxiety support Group > > http://community.nj.com/cc/phobia > > If someone listens, or stretches out a hand, or whispers a kind word of > > encouragement, or attempts to understand a lonely person, > > extraordinary things begin to happen. > > ~Loretta Girzatlis~ > > "Jennifer" <jenniferlhalenos…@houston.rr.com> wrote in message > > news:w9Hj8.12$Dv6.10529@typhoon.austin.rr.com… > > > Welcome Cathy, I am new also > > > Jennifer > > > "Phobia" <pho…@comcast.net> wrote in message > > > news:uWCj8.444687$eS3.33560538@bin3.nnrp.aus1.giganews.com… > > > > Hi, > > > > I’m back and lurking (kind of) after about a year. I hope to see more > > > posts > > > > soon. I have PCO as does my daughter (15) and my niece (16). > > > > Love > > > > Cathy > > > > — > > > > P.H.O.B.I.A. > > > > Off-line NJ Panic/Anxiety support Group > > > > http://community.nj.com/cc/phobia > > > > If someone listens, or stretches out a hand, or whispers a kind word > of > > > > encouragement, or attempts to understand a lonely person, > > > > extraordinary things begin to happen. > > > > ~Loretta Girzatlis~
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Greetings! I shall be New Delhi in near future. I want to phone from New Delhi to home in USA. How much will it cost in local currency ? What will be all the digits I have to dial from India? Can I use VISA or Am Express for this purpose?
Yes, but that’s probably going to be the most expensive of all options. The cheapest might be to arrange for callback service. After that, paying cash at a phone shop would be the next best. miguel — Hit The Road! Photos and tales from around the world: http://travel.u.nu
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Greetings! I shall be New Delhi in near future. I want to phone from New Delhi to home in USA. How much will it cost in local currency ? What will be all the digits I have to dial from India? Can I use VISA or Am Express for this purpose? With thanks.
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Greetings! I shall be New Delhi in near future. I want to phone from New Delhi to home in USA. How much will it cost in local currency ? What will be all the digits I have to dial from India? Can I use VISA or Am Express for this purpose? With thanks.
It used to cost over Rs. 100 per minute, but I have heard that prices have recently dropped sharply. I have seen some STD/ISD/PCO/PDQ/QED booths with credit card stickers, but I bet you’ll get ripped off, just as when using credit cards in the US. You can also use an ATT or MCI calling card if you call their toll-free access number (00117 for ATT, 00127 for MCI) ; again, it costs more than using an ISD booth. You have to dial all the digits in the number you are calling, preceded by 001 for the US, just as when in any other country.
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Excuse my babbling: Hi all, I’ve been dealing with PCO for around 5 years now and have posted sporadically. So I was so excited when I ran across this the other day. If you remember me asking a while ago about LA Weight Loss, well I was so impressed by the place, I signed up and a few months later went to work there. Anyway, they send little memos every now and then to put in our solutions book to help clients. The other day they sent one down for Polycycstic Ovarian Disease. I was shocked, I stopped immediately and sat down and read it. They actually recognize that we should be treated as either oral or food controlled diabetics, since the letter came down, I’ve asked clients and most of the women have admitted to having it. We’ve been able to help them all and change their plans. It was just so exciting to me, that I wanted to share, people are getting a clue, SLOWLY, but they are. Hope all is well with everyone. Good Luck Jen
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Thanks for the good news! Victoria "Jen and Jon Bell" <jb0…@earthlink.net> wrote in message news:TTq38.5297$Fh4.435170@newsread1.prod.itd.earthlink.net… – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text -> Excuse my babbling: > Hi all, I’ve been dealing with PCO for around 5 years now and have posted > sporadically. So I was so excited when I ran across this the other day. > If you remember me asking a while ago about LA Weight Loss, well I was so > impressed by the place, I signed up and a few months later went to work > there. > Anyway, they send little memos every now and then to put in our solutions > book to help clients. The other day they sent one down for Polycycstic > Ovarian Disease. I was shocked, I stopped immediately and sat down and read > it. They actually recognize that we should be treated as either oral or food > controlled diabetics, since the letter came down, I’ve asked clients and > most of the women have admitted to having it. We’ve been able to help them > all and change their plans. > It was just so exciting to me, that I wanted to share, people are getting a > clue, SLOWLY, but they are. > Hope all is well with everyone. > Good Luck > Jen
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The Guitar Amp and Keyboard centre sell them, they advertise in most UK guitar mags and I’ve bought a few things from them so I know they’re OK to deal with. the number is 01273 671971
– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – Hi, I’m looking to buy a Parker NiteFly guitar in the UK. Can anybody tell me who the distributor for Parker is in the UK? Alternatively, is it much cheaper to buy from a dealer in the US and pay the UK customs/vat charges? Thanks for any help Paul.
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Hi, I’m looking to buy a Parker NiteFly guitar in the UK. Can anybody tell me who the distributor for Parker is in the UK? Alternatively, is it much cheaper to buy from a dealer in the US and pay the UK customs/vat charges? Thanks for any help Paul.
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Hi all, Has anyone noticed that Metformin during pregnancy is really being pushed, rather than presenting both pro and con and letting the person and their doctors choose which they prefer? Victoria
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I think the reason this is the case is because of the person’s own past experience and research. I know for me I am a big pro Met activist 
because of how it helped me and I would love for it to help another. I also have done extensive research on it and stayed on Met until I was 36 weeks pg. I would hate to think anyone thought I was pushing it on them to stay on the Met while pg. I am a moderator of a discussion group on yahoogroups called "Metforminpregnancy" and it offers a lot of research links and opinions/findings on Met use during pg if anyone is interested in joining. Above all else, a person should do their own research and make their own decisions…I know that I agonized over my decision very much and still did even far along into my pg. As far as the pros and cons, all the research I have done points to there being a very minimal risk to staying on Met and a greater benefit in the big picture. I am sure many have found this to be true..maybe that’s why many are Pro Met during pg. Shelley
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Hi Shelley, I’m not talking about just a single person. Then again, since at least one person has have used another email address to post and made it appear it wasn’t them, its hard to tell. Also, there are a number of variables that seem to indicate there is a financial or other reason behind the push. I was also a pro Met advocate until I met up with women who really didn’t want Metformin, they wanted BCP (or other drug). They let me know that it wasn’t fair to them to sort of treat their choice as something less than the desired one, or that they were ’stupid’ in some sort of way for not choosing it. It made me reevaluate how I put out information. It made me reevaluate how all of us put out information. I agree with you, although there are those who don’t want all the research to be put out and shown. As I have been told, if you tell someone the other side, they may not choose Metformin (insert other drug, depending on the case). I am impressed by those who are willing to stand by their decision as you do, and not try to hide (or appear to) any evidence to the contrary. One thing I found in an entirely separate matter is that people may make the decision to try a particular treatment, like Metformin which is not FDA approved. When something goes wrong, its blame/sue doctor/medical establishment. The fallout then becomes that doctors, fearing being sued, won’t proscribe the drug for anyone and that hurts us all. My main focus is more of sharing all points of view, and not hiding it. About all of the evidence I’ve seen shows Metformin is a ‘good thing’ in the first trimester. I think most people do agree that all the evidence shown so far would support that. What really worried me is the Danish study about the last 3 months of pregnancy, and the fact we don’t know long term drug effects. In addition, I was particularly struck by a thread on a obgyn discussion about progesterone being overproscribed for early miscarriage. Makes me wonder whether or not the same thing could apply to Metformin. Victoria "Shelley C. Kluz " <ltlover…@aol.com> wrote in message news:20011231183202.10732.00002029@mb-cc.aol.com… – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text -> I think the reason this is the case is because of the person’s own past > experience and research. I know for me I am a big pro Met activist because > of how it helped me and I would love for it to help another. > I also have done extensive research on it and stayed on Met until I was 36 > weeks pg. > I would hate to think anyone thought I was pushing it on them to stay on the > Met while pg. > I am a moderator of a discussion group on yahoogroups called > "Metforminpregnancy" and it offers a lot of research links and > opinions/findings on Met use during pg if anyone is interested in joining. > Above all else, a person should do their own research and make their own > decisions…I know that I agonized over my decision very much and still did > even far along into my pg. > As far as the pros and cons, all the research I have done points to there being > a very minimal risk to staying on Met and a greater benefit in the big picture. > I am sure many have found this to be true..maybe that’s why many are Pro Met > during pg. > Shelley
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Victoria I am interested in the discussion you mention about Progesterone being overprescribed. My ob/gyn does not prescribe progesterone for pregnancy support and only does so for the leutal phase of an IVF cycle. I copped a lot of flak because several ‘internet friends’ felt he was being negligent since I had, had a history of m/c and ‘it can’t hurt to be on the progesterone just in case’. My progesterone levels had only been a problem with one pregnancy in which case it was caused by a poor ovulation, and was doomed to fail anyway. My ob/gyn is of the belief that in most cases the progesterone drops because there is a problem with the pregnancy not the other way around. His way of thinking makes sense to me. Could you tell me more about the discussion you mention? Is there somewhere I can look it up? I am currently 36w1d pg as a result of my first IVF cycle and after 3 prior miscarriages. I have made it this far with the help of Met to 16wks (slowly weaned from 12wks) and without any help of progesterone support. Robyn "Victoria" <nicholl…@home.com> wrote in message
news:cBkY7.33183$K36.11425952@news1.rdc1.va.home.com… – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text -> Hi Shelley, > I’m not talking about just a single person. Then again, since at least one > person has have used another email address to post and made it appear it wasn’t > them, its hard to tell. Also, there are a number of variables that seem to > indicate there is a financial or other reason behind the push. > I was also a pro Met advocate until I met up with women who really didn’t want > Metformin, they wanted BCP (or other drug). They let me know that it wasn’t fair > to them to sort of treat their choice as something less than the desired one, or > that they were ’stupid’ in some sort of way for not choosing it. It made me > reevaluate how I put out information. It made me reevaluate how all of us put > out information. > I agree with you, although there are those who don’t want all the research to be > put out and shown. As I have been told, if you tell someone the other side, they > may not choose Metformin (insert other drug, depending on the case). I am > impressed by those who are willing to stand by their decision as you do, and not > try to hide (or appear to) any evidence to the contrary. One thing I found in an > entirely separate matter is that people may make the decision to try a > particular treatment, like Metformin which is not FDA approved. When something > goes wrong, its blame/sue doctor/medical establishment. The fallout then becomes > that doctors, fearing being sued, won’t proscribe the drug for anyone and that > hurts us all. My main focus is more of sharing all points of view, and not > hiding it. > About all of the evidence I’ve seen shows Metformin is a ‘good thing’ in the > first trimester. I think most people do agree that all the evidence shown so far > would support that. What really worried me is the Danish study about the last 3 > months of pregnancy, and the fact we don’t know long term drug effects. In > addition, I was particularly struck by a thread on a obgyn discussion about > progesterone being overproscribed for early miscarriage. Makes me wonder whether > or not the same thing could apply to Metformin. > Victoria > "Shelley C. Kluz " <ltlover…@aol.com> wrote in message > news:20011231183202.10732.00002029@mb-cc.aol.com… > > I think the reason this is the case is because of the person’s own past > > experience and research. I know for me I am a big pro Met activist because > > of how it helped me and I would love for it to help another. > > I also have done extensive research on it and stayed on Met until I was 36 > > weeks pg. > > I would hate to think anyone thought I was pushing it on them to stay on the > > Met while pg. > > I am a moderator of a discussion group on yahoogroups called > > "Metforminpregnancy" and it offers a lot of research links and > > opinions/findings on Met use during pg if anyone is interested in joining. > > Above all else, a person should do their own research and make their own > > decisions…I know that I agonized over my decision very much and still did > > even far along into my pg. > > As far as the pros and cons, all the research I have done points to there > being > > a very minimal risk to staying on Met and a greater benefit in the big > picture. > > I am sure many have found this to be true..maybe that’s why many are Pro Met > > during pg. > > Shelley
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Hi Shelley, In regards to your first paragraph, what really gets my goat is the fact that this research could have already been started. All of Coetzee’s preliminary work has been around for years. Granted, ok, its not American, etc. but shoot – talk about a missed opportunity! Btw, its odd, but you aren’t the only one who said they still got GD with Metformin. Since there are women that say that Metformin loses its effectiveness over time, that would work with that theory. Victoria "Shelley C. Kluz " <ltlover…@aol.com> wrote in message news:20020101175919.13200.00002809@mb-da.aol.com… – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text -> Still now my main concern is long term effects of Met use while pg. There still > are no long term studies done that can offer any ideas as to whether there will > be or not. > For me at the time, I felt it was best to stay on it. I was horribly scared of > MC’ing so I guess a part of my decision was based on fear.Once I got past 12 > weeks, I was even more scared to stop… > In my case, I really beleive the Met helped my pg. but towards the end I did > develop GD and the Met seemed to be doing absolutely nothing for my blood sugar > levels. So in fact, I probably could have gone off of the Met sooner…it > didn’t seem to help much in the last tri…but maybe it did ward off the GD at > least until 32 weeks. It’s hard to say. > Take care, > Shelley > Mom to Emma 11-09-00
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Hi, I did see on the obgyn list I talked about, where one doctor spoke up and said that you shouldn’t just willy nilly proscribe it if they don’t have a medical reason for it. He did say that there are those who do just go PCO, give them Metformin. To a point I agree. I want to make sure that they run a large gamut of tests before doing so. I don’t mean just insulin/glucose and FSH levels. Prolactin and thyroid problems, for example, may not be caught until we do get tested. I don’t want to see us as short changed, you know, ‘here take Metformin and see me in 12 months’/blow you off thing. I’m more cautious because the longer I’ve been on the Internet and just digesting MD type discussions with women who tell their experiences, the more I’ve come to realize that it is not the 100% cure with no negative side effects it can be touted to be. D-chiro-inositol is supposed to be an excellent working drug, however, in the trials that were going on a year ago (or so), they had found that it really worked mostly for those with higher testosterone levels. You really didn’t see as much of the positive when you didn’t. 
((( {sigh} Victoria "Shelley C. Kluz " <ltlover…@aol.com> wrote in message news:20020101180649.13200.00002812@mb-da.aol.com… – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text -> Good point. I agree with what you are saying. I think that is why a lot of Dr’s > are so cautious about prescribing it. > But lately, it seems to be very prescribed for women with PCO even if they show > no signs of IR problems. I know I was borderline diabetic but some women are > given it solely to treat PCO even when their levels(insulin/sugars) come back > normal. > It seems to be quite the miracle drug, but in all the excitement it’s easy to > lose sight of the fact that there isn’t a ton of research on long term effects > nor short term either.
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> What really worried me is the Danish study about the last 3 >months of pregnancy, and the fact we don’t know long term drug effects. In >addition, I was particularly struck by a thread on a obgyn discussion about >progesterone being overproscribed for early miscarriage. Makes me wonder >whether >or not the same thing could apply to Metformin.
Still now my main concern is long term effects of Met use while pg. There still are no long term studies done that can offer any ideas as to whether there will be or not. For me at the time, I felt it was best to stay on it. I was horribly scared of MC’ing so I guess a part of my decision was based on fear.Once I got past 12 weeks, I was even more scared to stop… In my case, I really beleive the Met helped my pg. but towards the end I did develop GD and the Met seemed to be doing absolutely nothing for my blood sugar levels. So in fact, I probably could have gone off of the Met sooner…it didn’t seem to help much in the last tri…but maybe it did ward off the GD at least until 32 weeks. It’s hard to say. Take care, Shelley Mom to Emma 11-09-00
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Sorry about my signature in my last post! Shelley Mom to Emma 11-09-00
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>a >particular treatment, like Metformin which is not FDA approved. When >something >goes wrong, its blame/sue doctor/medical establishment. The fallout then >becomes >that doctors, fearing being sued, won’t proscribe the drug for anyone and >that >hurts us all. My main focus is more of sharing all points of view, and not >hiding it.
Good point. I agree with what you are saying. I think that is why a lot of Dr’s are so cautious about prescribing it. But lately, it seems to be very prescribed for women with PCO even if they show no signs of IR problems. I know I was borderline diabetic but some women are given it solely to treat PCO even when their levels(insulin/sugars) come back normal. It seems to be quite the miracle drug, but in all the excitement it’s easy to lose sight of the fact that there isn’t a ton of research on long term effects nor short term either.
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Howdy, As long as you do not under any circumstances post to the group (its an obgyn *only* group and out of the kindness of their hearts they allow us non medical types to learn from their chats): www.obgyn.net click on forums on the top grey bar under medical professionals only, click on the obgyn-l link There is a lot of outstanding ob/gyn related stuff of all kinds. I am thankful to lurk and listen from them. If you want to ask questions, most of the same doctors answer questions on the women’s health list on the same page. Victoria "R & D" <roby…@nozemail.com.au> wrote in message news:WSoY7.102145$li3.1224286@ozemail.com.au… – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text -> Victoria > I am interested in the discussion you mention about Progesterone being > overprescribed. > My ob/gyn does not prescribe progesterone for pregnancy support and only > does so for the leutal phase of an IVF cycle. I copped a lot of flak because > several ‘internet friends’ felt he was being negligent since I had, had a > history of m/c and ‘it can’t hurt to be on the progesterone just in case’. > My progesterone levels had only been a problem with one pregnancy in which > case it was caused by a poor ovulation, and was doomed to fail anyway. > My ob/gyn is of the belief that in most cases the progesterone drops because > there is a problem with the pregnancy not the other way around. His way of > thinking makes sense to me. > Could you tell me more about the discussion you mention? Is there somewhere > I can look it up? > I am currently 36w1d pg as a result of my first IVF cycle and after 3 prior > miscarriages. I have made it this far with the help of Met to 16wks (slowly > weaned from 12wks) and without any help of progesterone support. > Robyn > "Victoria" <nicholl…@home.com> wrote in message > news:cBkY7.33183$K36.11425952@news1.rdc1.va.home.com… > > Hi Shelley, > > I’m not talking about just a single person. Then again, since at least one > > person has have used another email address to post and made it appear it > wasn’t > > them, its hard to tell. Also, there are a number of variables that seem to > > indicate there is a financial or other reason behind the push. > > I was also a pro Met advocate until I met up with women who really didn’t > want > > Metformin, they wanted BCP (or other drug). They let me know that it > wasn’t fair > > to them to sort of treat their choice as something less than the desired > one, or > > that they were ’stupid’ in some sort of way for not choosing it. It made > me > > reevaluate how I put out information. It made me reevaluate how all of us > put > > out information. > > I agree with you, although there are those who don’t want all the research > to be > > put out and shown. As I have been told, if you tell someone the other > side, they > > may not choose Metformin (insert other drug, depending on the case). I am > > impressed by those who are willing to stand by their decision as you do, > and not > > try to hide (or appear to) any evidence to the contrary. One thing I found > in an > > entirely separate matter is that people may make the decision to try a > > particular treatment, like Metformin which is not FDA approved. When > something > > goes wrong, its blame/sue doctor/medical establishment. The fallout then > becomes > > that doctors, fearing being sued, won’t proscribe the drug for anyone and > that > > hurts us all. My main focus is more of sharing all points of view, and not > > hiding it. > > About all of the evidence I’ve seen shows Metformin is a ‘good thing’ in > the > > first trimester. I think most people do agree that all the evidence shown > so far > > would support that. What really worried me is the Danish study about the > last 3 > > months of pregnancy, and the fact we don’t know long term drug effects. In > > addition, I was particularly struck by a thread on a obgyn discussion > about > > progesterone being overproscribed for early miscarriage. Makes me wonder > whether > > or not the same thing could apply to Metformin. > > Victoria > > "Shelley C. Kluz " <ltlover…@aol.com> wrote in message > > news:20011231183202.10732.00002029@mb-cc.aol.com… > > > I think the reason this is the case is because of the person’s own past > > > experience and research. I know for me I am a big pro Met activist > because > > > of how it helped me and I would love for it to help another. > > > I also have done extensive research on it and stayed on Met until I was > 36 > > > weeks pg. > > > I would hate to think anyone thought I was pushing it on them to stay on > the > > > Met while pg. > > > I am a moderator of a discussion group on yahoogroups called > > > "Metforminpregnancy" and it offers a lot of research links and > > > opinions/findings on Met use during pg if anyone is interested in > joining. > > > Above all else, a person should do their own research and make their own > > > decisions…I know that I agonized over my decision very much and still > did > > > even far along into my pg. > > > As far as the pros and cons, all the research I have done points to > there > > being > > > a very minimal risk to staying on Met and a greater benefit in the big > > picture. > > > I am sure many have found this to be true..maybe that’s why many are Pro > Met > > > during pg. > > > Shelley
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