I hate this.This sucks.I am completly frustrated.

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– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – Hello, Is it because I am female?? I have been doing this as per the book with my hubby at my side. He has been successful.50something lbs.. I have joined circuit training, drinking water. Suffered with the runs and a constant headache..and no loss…I have been in constant ketosis. I do not have candidia pcos or a sluggish thyroid….I can’t understand this…Two and a half weeks of induction……I lost water weight when I got my period…And here I am again…the same weight… HELP Any one else as frustrated? I am so tired of feeling like I am failing when I have been working my ass off… Dayna I’ll say this because it’s easier to just learn it from the beginning. Calories still count. Track your calories, and keep the extras like cream (whipped or otherwise) to a minimum. Cheese and nut calories add up fast. Keep up the exercise, it’s a good habit. :-) Take care, Carmen

Yes. Yes. Yes. Yes. and Yes. — Wayne Crannell Atkins+ 10/27/01 250/139

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- Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – Dayna, If you aren’t losing weight the chances are very good that one of the following is true: 1. You’re eating too many calories for your current size. You have to eat less than you burn or you won’t lose weight even on low carb. If you only have 20 or less pounds to lose, low carbing alone won’t do it. You have to harness the appetite suppressing effect of low carbing and cut calories to where you are eating about 500 a day less than you are burning. 2. You may have very high natural insulin levels (this was my problem and led to a 2 1/2 year stall.) Low carbing works, for people it works for, by bringing down the level of circulating insulin which makes it tough for fat to be stored by cells. If you are unlucky and still crank out a lot of insulin, you don’t get all the benefits of low carbing. My own experience was that I didn’t put on weight (which I did on any non-low carb diet) but I couldn’t lose until I added a medication that brought down my insulin levels. Such medications include Metformin and Diovan. Contrary to what some people here post, I believe that if you are losing fat, rather than water, you’ll see a decline on the scale. When people lose inches without losing pounds, they are losing water and deluding themselves about weight loss. In my own case, I’ve noticed that the inches are the last thing to show up. For me the scale goes down first, stays down and then, eventually the inches retreat because my body seems to replace fat with water when it first loses it. — Jenny 168.5/137 Low Carb 9/1998 – 8/2001 and 11/10/02 – Now http://www.geocities.com/jenny_the_bean How to calculate your need for protein * How much people really lose each month * Water Weight Gain & Loss * The "Two Gram Cure" for Hunger Cravings * Characteristics of Successful Dieters * Indispensible Low Carb Treats * Should You Count that Low Impact Carb? * Curing Ketobreath * Exercise Starting from Zero * NEW! Do Starch Blockers Work? Is it because I am female?? I have been doing this as per the book with my hubby at my side. He has been successful.50something lbs.. I have joined circuit training, drinking water. Suffered with the runs and a constant headache..and no loss…I have been in constant ketosis. I do not have candidia pcos or a sluggish thyroid….I can’t understand this…Two and a half weeks of induction……I lost water weight when I got my period…And here I am again…the same weight… HELP Any one else as frustrated? I am so tired of feeling like I am failing when I have been working my ass off… Dayna

Dayna, don’t eat the sundae! Hang in there, after your period, you spend the day in the bathroom and I have lost 5 lbs in one day and another 5 the next and stil felt great. sometimes your body just retains and then at it’s own choosing will release. It takes alot longer for our body to get the signal that it is ok to release, you are not in starvation. The other thing is if you are working out, you have a temporary swelling of muscle that adds to the scale faster than the fat dispates. give it two more weeks, I bet you will lose around 8-12 lbs. Margie 0902-0903

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<snip When people lose inches without losing pounds, they are losing water and deluding themselves about weight loss. In my own case, I’ve noticed that the inches are the last thing to show up. For me the scale goes down first, stays down and then, eventually the inches retreat because my body seems to replace fat with water when it first loses it.

Dayna, Or you might be like me – I lose the inches first, and then the weight. Usually the weight comes down in pairs of kilos (after stalling for weeks as the inches go down). It’s possibly because I swim quite a bit – 45 minutes a day, Monday to Friday. But all of it happens very slowly. I guess the "TREND" is what you’re after. As long as you’re losing inches or losing weight or losing both, no matter how slow it is, it’s alright. IMHO it’s better than having ups and downs (and your heart goes sink and swim as you look at the bathroom scale…) Ada

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Contrary to what some people here post, I believe that if you are losing fat, rather than water, you’ll see a decline on the scale. When people lose inches without losing pounds, they are losing water and deluding themselves about weight loss.

I hesitate to disagree with Jenny because she’s been at this a lot longer than me, but this doesn’t seem to make sense. Water is heavy – a (UK) pint weighs in excess of a pound. If you’re losing water, surely it has to show on the scale? I have noticed with me that the weight goes and then the measurements (very reluctantly) follow, but (and sorry if this is TMI) my fat gets ’squishy’ then slowly firms up. I think what’s going on is that my fat cells become less dense and then shrink to accommodate the change, with concomitant skin changes – which is when my weight loss shows a temporary stall. When it’s done that, the weight loss starts again. I don’t know what the relative density is between human adipose tissue as water, but it doesn’t make intuitive sense that it’s water which is taking the place of fat. Be interested in the opinion of a biochemist. — Lexin www.redrosepress.co.uk www.livejournal.com/~lexin LC since 9 June 2003 (300/263/182)

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Lexin, I’ve also noticed the "squishy fat" phenomenon before I lose inches too. But for me the disconnect between inches and scale pounds is strong enough that for a while I worried that my scale was broken because it kept going down but my clothes fit the same way. I checked the weight on several scales including a doctor’s scale and it was accurate. I finally came up with an explanation for why the loss of weight doesn’t show up on the scale: a large amount of the fat that people who are insulin resistant collect is "visceral fat" which is stored around the heart and other internal organs. It seems possible to me that when this weight is lost it doesn’t show on the scale, particularly the fat around the heart and arteries. If that is true, it would be very good news as the fat stored around the heart is considered to be more dangerous that fat stored, say, on the hips where I have just about none. — Jenny 168.5/137 Low Carb 9/1998 – 8/2001 and 11/10/02 – Now http://www.geocities.com/jenny_the_bean How to calculate your need for protein * How much people really lose each month * Water Weight Gain & Loss * The "Two Gram Cure" for Hunger Cravings * Characteristics of Successful Dieters * Indispensible Low Carb Treats * Should You Count that Low Impact Carb? * Curing Ketobreath * Exercise Starting from Zero * NEW! Do Starch Blockers Work?

– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – Contrary to what some people here post, I believe that if you are losing fat, rather than water, you’ll see a decline on the scale. When people lose inches without losing pounds, they are losing water and deluding themselves about weight loss. I hesitate to disagree with Jenny because she’s been at this a lot longer than me, but this doesn’t seem to make sense. Water is heavy – a (UK) pint weighs in excess of a pound. If you’re losing water, surely it has to show on the scale? I have noticed with me that the weight goes and then the measurements (very reluctantly) follow, but (and sorry if this is TMI) my fat gets ’squishy’ then slowly firms up. I think what’s going on is that my fat cells become less dense and then shrink to accommodate the change, with concomitant skin changes – which is when my weight loss shows a temporary stall. When it’s done that, the weight loss starts again. I don’t know what the relative density is between human adipose tissue as water, but it doesn’t make intuitive sense that it’s water which is taking the place of fat. Be interested in the opinion of a biochemist. — Lexin www.redrosepress.co.uk www.livejournal.com/~lexin LC since 9 June 2003 (300/263/182)

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If you have ever seen an autopsy on a very fat person you would be shocked at the amount of internal fat arounds organs, etc. Your scale weight may be reflecting internal changes. We used to have a saying-You lose from the top down and from the inside out. Henrietta

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Weird, but I know what you mean. When I first low carbed I lost 40 lbs without any particular change in the way my clothes fit, and almost no change in my measurements. Everyone told me I was measuring the wrong things as it had to show up somewhere. I was measuring my bust, waist, hips and thighs. I guess I should have measured my neck, my fingers, my toes, my head, my ankles – or some other combination Debbie

– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – How the weight can be coming off in significant chunks without showing up in the fit of clothing is the question being addressed here.

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You’re back! How went the move?

:). No, no, DJ — I’m *gone*. HAH. Just dandily, thank you. It’s not as hot here as I thought it would be. I’ve discovered all the thrift shops already and the local public library, which sucks rocks. In other news, I’m down to 159. c Must be less gravity on the West Coast.

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Are you sure you carry fat under your skin at your wasteline? As I recall, people carry abunch of fat under the skin, and some more mixed with lean muscle tissue. The second type would yeild tissue similar to well-marbled steak. If you have alot of "marbled" fat, and also have fat fairly evenly distributed over your body, you could lose quite a bit of weight without seeing big results at your waistline. Duffy

– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – Chris, You aren’t disagreeing with me. I am losing weight. The scale continues to go down. What isn’t changing, however, is my measurements–ie. the size of my waistline which is about the same now as it was when I weighed almost ten pounds more. How the weight can be coming off in significant chunks without showing up in the fit of clothing is the question being addressed here. — Jenny 168.5/137 Low Carb 9/1998 – 8/2001 and 11/10/02 – Now http://www.geocities.com/jenny_the_bean How to calculate your need for protein * How much people really lose each month * Water Weight Gain & Loss * The "Two Gram Cure" for Hunger Cravings * Characteristics of Successful Dieters * Indispensible Low Carb Treats * Should You Count that Low Impact Carb? * Curing Ketobreath * Exercise Starting from Zero * NEW! Do Starch Blockers Work? Lexin, I’ve also noticed the "squishy fat" phenomenon before I lose inches too. But for me the disconnect between inches and scale pounds is strong enough that for a while I worried that my scale was broken because it kept going down but my clothes fit the same way. I checked the weight on several scales including a doctor’s scale and it was accurate. I finally came up with an explanation for why the loss of weight doesn’t show up on the scale: a large amount of the fat that people who are insulin resistant collect is "visceral fat" which is stored around the heart and other internal organs. It seems possible to me that when this weight is lost it doesn’t show on the scale, particularly the fat around the heart and arteries. If that is true, it would be very good news as the fat stored around the heart is considered to be more dangerous that fat stored, say, on the hips where I have just about none. — Jenny This is silliness. If you lose weight is has to show up on the scale. It doesn’t matter if it on your waist, in your arteries, around your heart, or in your big toe. Chris

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You’re washing your clothes in water that’s too hot. Chris

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Chris, You aren’t disagreeing with me. I am losing weight. The scale continues to go down. What isn’t changing, however, is my measurements–ie. the size of my waistline which is about the same now as it was when I weighed almost ten pounds more. How the weight can be coming off in significant chunks without showing up in the fit of clothing is the question being addressed here. — Jenny 168.5/137 Low Carb 9/1998 – 8/2001 and 11/10/02 – Now http://www.geocities.com/jenny_the_bean How to calculate your need for protein * How much people really lose each month * Water Weight Gain & Loss * The "Two Gram Cure" for Hunger Cravings * Characteristics of Successful Dieters * Indispensible Low Carb Treats * Should You Count that Low Impact Carb? * Curing Ketobreath * Exercise Starting from Zero * NEW! Do Starch Blockers Work?

– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – Lexin, I’ve also noticed the "squishy fat" phenomenon before I lose inches too. But for me the disconnect between inches and scale pounds is strong enough that for a while I worried that my scale was broken because it kept going down but my clothes fit the same way. I checked the weight on several scales including a doctor’s scale and it was accurate. I finally came up with an explanation for why the loss of weight doesn’t show up on the scale: a large amount of the fat that people who are insulin resistant collect is "visceral fat" which is stored around the heart and other internal organs. It seems possible to me that when this weight is lost it doesn’t show on the scale, particularly the fat around the heart and arteries. If that is true, it would be very good news as the fat stored around the heart is considered to be more dangerous that fat stored, say, on the hips where I have just about none. — Jenny This is silliness. If you lose weight is has to show up on the scale. It doesn’t matter if it on your waist, in your arteries, around your heart, or in your big toe. Chris

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from Sunny CA

You’re back! How went the move?

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I’ve also noticed the "squishy fat" phenomenon before I lose inches too. But for me the disconnect between inches and scale pounds is strong enough that for a while I worried that my scale was broken because it kept going down but my clothes fit the same way. This is silliness. If you lose weight is has to show up on the scale. It doesn’t matter if it on your waist, in your arteries, around your heart, or in your big toe.

I think you misunderstand, Jenny was talking about a situation where your weight goes down but your measurements remain the same. — Lexin www.redrosepress.co.uk www.livejournal.com/~lexin LC since 9 June 2003 (300/263/182)

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<snip I’ve also noticed the "squishy fat" phenomenon before I lose inches too. But for me the disconnect between inches and scale pounds is strong enough that for a while I worried that my scale was broken because it kept going down but my clothes fit the same way. I checked the weight on several scales including a doctor’s scale and it was accurate.

<snip Or it could be that you lost fat around other parts that don’t come into close contact with clothes… You know it’s common to find ready make clothes to fit one part of your body but too bulky in other areas. For example a shirt might be tight around the breasts but bulky at the belly bit. So if you lose weight on the belly then you wouldn’t have notice!

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:). hey. If you’ve been following the book religiously, you should check out the chapter on metabolic resistance. In that chapter, Saint Robert of Carnivoria doth say that if one has not dropped a single pound after two weeks of induction then one may be metabolically resistant. You only need to keep your carbs to twenty per day. You don’t have to worry about calories since your body is going through a transition from sugarburning to fatburning. You should be losing weight, in the beginning, based on carb reduction alone. *Then*, you worry about your CCL and calories. However: if you have absolutely followed the above commandment to ingest only twenty carbs per day, then, unfortunately, you’re likely at least a bit resistant. My suggestion is that you refer to Atkins scripture under "metabolic resistance" to find out what you should do about that. BTW, if you do this right, add exercise and some other good habits you have a chance of making your metabolic resistance go away. That’s what happened to me; now I can eat up to 2000 calories a day and over ( but not too much over) 100 carbs and maintain a 118 pound loss. So far, anyway. c from Sunny CA

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This is silliness. If you lose weight is has to show up on the scale. It doesn’t matter if it on your waist, in your arteries, around your heart, or in your big toe. Chris

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Dayna wrote … Is it because I am female?? I have been doing this as per the book with my hubby at my side. He has been successful.50something lbs.. I have joined circuit training, drinking water. Suffered with the runs and a constant headache..and no loss…I have been in constant ketosis. I do not have candidia pcos or a sluggish thyroid….I can’t understand this…Two and a half weeks of induction……I lost water weight when I got my period…And here I am again…the same weight… HELP Any one else as frustrated? I am so tired of feeling like I am failing when I have been working my ass off…

I don’t have any advice to give but I totally understand how you feel – I’ve been in the same situation for over a year now. If I wasn’t so damn stubborn I’d have given up 10 months ago! ) Rachel (New Zealand)

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When the missus and I started the diet, I also lost weight faster than she did. Part of it could have been gender differential. But we also figured out that part of it was because, as much as I like to brag about being the big strong carnivore in the family, I really liked green vegetables more than she did, and ate more of them. This helped keep calories down and cut cravings. Don’t have any reason to believe this applies in your case, but it was our experience. Also, I didn’t try to do it low fat. She, who had done the roller-coaster diet thing where I hadn’t, had a lot more trouble adapting to that, eating steak and using real butter and mayonnaise. Again, only our experience. – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – Is it because I am female?? I have been doing this as per the book with my hubby at my side. He has been successful.50something lbs.. I have joined circuit training, drinking water. Suffered with the runs and a constant headache..and no loss…I have been in constant ketosis. I do not have candidia pcos or a sluggish thyroid….I can’t understand this…Two and a half weeks of induction……I lost water weight when I got my period…And here I am again…the same weight… HELP Any one else as frustrated? I am so tired of feeling like I am failing when I have been working my ass off… Dayna

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Dayna, If you aren’t losing weight the chances are very good that one of the following is true: 1. You’re eating too many calories for your current size. You have to eat less than you burn or you won’t lose weight even on low carb. If you only have 20 or less pounds to lose, low carbing alone won’t do it. You have to harness the appetite suppressing effect of low carbing and cut calories to where you are eating about 500 a day less than you are burning. 2. You may have very high natural insulin levels (this was my problem and led to a 2 1/2 year stall.) Low carbing works, for people it works for, by bringing down the level of circulating insulin which makes it tough for fat to be stored by cells. If you are unlucky and still crank out a lot of insulin, you don’t get all the benefits of low carbing. My own experience was that I didn’t put on weight (which I did on any non-low carb diet) but I couldn’t lose until I added a medication that brought down my insulin levels. Such medications include Metformin and Diovan. Contrary to what some people here post, I believe that if you are losing fat, rather than water, you’ll see a decline on the scale. When people lose inches without losing pounds, they are losing water and deluding themselves about weight loss. In my own case, I’ve noticed that the inches are the last thing to show up. For me the scale goes down first, stays down and then, eventually the inches retreat because my body seems to replace fat with water when it first loses it. — Jenny 168.5/137 Low Carb 9/1998 – 8/2001 and 11/10/02 – Now http://www.geocities.com/jenny_the_bean How to calculate your need for protein * How much people really lose each month * Water Weight Gain & Loss * The "Two Gram Cure" for Hunger Cravings * Characteristics of Successful Dieters * Indispensible Low Carb Treats * Should You Count that Low Impact Carb? * Curing Ketobreath * Exercise Starting from Zero * NEW! Do Starch Blockers Work?

– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – Is it because I am female?? I have been doing this as per the book with my hubby at my side. He has been successful.50something lbs.. I have joined circuit training, drinking water. Suffered with the runs and a constant headache..and no loss…I have been in constant ketosis. I do not have candidia pcos or a sluggish thyroid….I can’t understand this…Two and a half weeks of induction……I lost water weight when I got my period…And here I am again…the same weight… HELP Any one else as frustrated? I am so tired of feeling like I am failing when I have been working my ass off… Dayna

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My daughter lost almost nothing-but you should have seen the shift in her figure. She was even wearing a much smaller size. She went off it wanting to see a change in the scale, for another diet, and has gained about 10 pounds instead of losing. Now, she’s ready to get back on it. She was discouraged because the scale didn’t show it. It was coming off, but not according to the scale. Be sure to measure key points like your waist, stomach, hip, breast and write them down. Do it once a week. Do not give up. Your body is converting over to a new way of metabolizing. You can’t even see the fat gong down that has padded your internal organs. It’s amazing how much water the human body can hoard and you can get a whoosh when it lets it go. Hang in there-lots of health benefits are happening that you can’t even see. There is also a phenomenon that occurs when you aren’t eating enough and your body will hoard it. Post a daily menu here for one week and our experts can tweak it for you. Are you short? Henrietta

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Is it because I am female?? I have been doing this as per the book with my hubby at my side. He has been successful.50something lbs.. I have joined circuit training, drinking water. Suffered with the runs and a constant headache..and no loss…I have been in constant ketosis. I do not have candidia pcos or a sluggish thyroid….I can’t understand this…Two and a half weeks of induction……I lost water weight when I got my period…And here I am again…the same weight… HELP Any one else as frustrated? I am so tired of feeling like I am failing when I have been working my ass off… Dayna

Hi Dayna, I don’t blame you for feeling frustrated but hang in there. I found the two weeks around my period an absolute stall for weight loss, so that may be the problem. Also have you measured yourself and used that as a way of monitoring your progress? Try that for a week or two, as a lot of people who don’t seem to lose actual weight find that their measurements are shrinking on an almost daily scale. Good Luck, Angie — Angie New Zealand

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Is it because I am female??

Partly. Especially if you are comparing yourself to your husband. Men lose weight faster and easier in a lot of cases. Just the way it is, it seems. I have been doing this as per the book with my hubby at my side. He has been successful.50something lbs.. I have joined circuit training, drinking water. Suffered with the runs and a constant headache..and no loss…I have been in constant ketosis. I do not have candidia pcos or a sluggish thyroid….I can’t understand this…Two and a half weeks of induction……I lost water weight when I got my period…And here I am again…the same weight…

Could be a number of things. Could be the exercise – muscle. Could be what you are eating. Sorry that you have not been feeling good. Hopefully the headaches and runs will pass. It did with me. Getting the aspartame, caffeine, sugar and starch out of my body hurt. :) HELP Any one else as frustrated?

Sometimes. I am on this three lbs down, one up cycle. The other day the last thing I wanted to do was go and cook dinner and eat veggies. Wanted to phone in a pizza. Made dinner. I’d hate to think of what that pizza would have done. I am so tired of feeling like I am failing when I have been working my ass off…

If you post your menus, then perhaps we could tell you if there is something bad in there. Do you feel better? More energy? Are your clothes fitting better or getting loose? For me, the big question is would I have gained weight? That, and generally feeling better. Kim

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Hello, Is it because I am female?? I have been doing this as per the book with my hubby at my side. He has been successful.50something lbs.. I have joined circuit training, drinking water. Suffered with the runs and a constant headache..and no loss…I have been in constant ketosis. I do not have candidia pcos or a sluggish thyroid….I can’t understand this…Two and a half weeks of induction……I lost water weight when I got my period…And here I am again…the same weight… HELP Any one else as frustrated? I am so tired of feeling like I am failing when I have been working my ass off… Dayna

I’ll say this because it’s easier to just learn it from the beginning. Calories still count. Track your calories, and keep the extras like cream (whipped or otherwise) to a minimum. Cheese and nut calories add up fast. Keep up the exercise, it’s a good habit. :-) Take care, Carmen

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Try keeping track of how many calories you eat, and then slowly reducing them. — JC "1. eat less you fat fuck 2. exercise more you fat fuck" …Lyle

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