Hi everyone.  My name is Vicki, and I’m 28 yrs old.  Married to a wonderful guy for 5 yrs.  Diagnosed with pcos in jan of 2000.  I knew I had problems way before then though.  No periods…at all.  Weight gain, facial and tummy hair.  I have to take Provera to have a period, but I had to stop taking that because of the mood swings.  So last AF I took crinon for 10 days.  That was a horrible visit from Auntie F. It was my first period in 3 months.  Now on glucophage xr, 1500 mgs.  If that doesnt work I will take 2000 mgs.  The drs seem very hopeful that I will have AF on my own.  Oh..I dont ovulate at all.  We were ttc right after we first got married, and had all the infertility tests done. They found out my thyroid was off, so I take meds for that.  All the tests came back fine, I just dont ovulate  I had taken 150 mgs clomid, which of course, didnt get me to ovulate.  Hopefully if I can have AF on my own, it will be a matter of taking shots to get me to ovulate.   I hope Im not forgetting anything. I’ve been a lurker in this group for acouple of days now, and I decided to come out of hiding.  Any advice or whatever will be welcome And feel free to email me anytime.  I will be checking in this group daily. TIA Vicki

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Hi Vicki, [various editing] > Now on glucophage xr, 1500 mgs.  If that doesnt work I will take 2000 mgs.  >The drs seem very hopeful that I will have AF on my own.   > Hopefully if I can > have AF on my own, it will be a matter of taking shots to get me to > ovulate.  

Hmm, I believe one of the reasons PCOS women take glucophage is that it has been helpful in establishing ovulatory cycles.  If this is the case–and it might take some ultrasound monitoring by your gyn to determine if you ovulated–then you might be able to hold off on the shots.  You can also try taking your basal body temperature to see if ovulation has occurred, but charting your temps does take practice. If you’re interested, you can check out some charting websites, like www.tcoyf.com or www.fertilityfriend.com, but the latter is aimed towards helping women conceive, which I don’t know if that is the situation for you. I’m trying to conceive at the moment and am dearly hoping that the glucophage will help restore my ovulation. Best wishes, Michelle

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Howdy I’m Victoria – nice to meet you. The Glucophage XR, supposedly doesn’t work as well as the regular brand. If the XR doesn’t work, you might want to try the other. Victoria "V S" <Schlink…@webtv.net> wrote in message

news:13964-3DB707AB-16@storefull-2233.public.lawson.webtv.net… – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text -> Hi everyone.  My name is Vicki, and I’m 28 yrs old.  Married to a > wonderful guy for 5 yrs.  Diagnosed with pcos in jan of 2000.  I knew I > had problems way before then though.  No periods…at all.  Weight gain, > facial and tummy hair.  I have to take Provera to have a period, but I > had to stop taking that because of the mood swings.  So last AF I took > crinon for 10 days.  That was a horrible visit from Auntie F. > It was my first period in 3 months.  Now on glucophage xr, 1500 mgs.  If > that doesnt work I will take 2000 mgs.  The drs seem very hopeful that I > will have AF on my own.  Oh..I dont ovulate at all.  We were ttc right > after we first got married, and had all the infertility tests done. > They found out my thyroid was off, so I take meds for that.  All the > tests came back fine, I just dont ovulate  I had taken 150 mgs > clomid, which of course, didnt get me to ovulate.  Hopefully if I can > have AF on my own, it will be a matter of taking shots to get me to > ovulate.   I hope Im not forgetting anything. > I’ve been a lurker in this group for acouple of days now, and I decided > to come out of hiding.  Any advice or whatever will be welcome > And feel free to email me anytime.  I will be checking in this group > daily. > TIA > Vicki

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I have had several protocals of pergonal without sucess of a preg. The Dr. has mentioned changing to a protocal with Gonal F. If I was responding well with pergonal just not concieving what is the diffrence with Gonal F? Any higher conception rate? and does anyone know what dosage they start with? Thanks for any input. LC — Posted from  [65.64.77.138] via Mailgate.ORG Server – http://www.Mailgate.ORG

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<<what is the diffrence with Gonal F? Pergonal contains LH.  Gonal-F doesn’t. Therein lies the difference.   Briefly put, LH helps to promote egg maturation.  However, eggs can become *too* mature in a given cycle.  Gonal-F might give you slightly less mature eggs, which could be in your favor.  Some RE’s use them interchangeably. My RE switched me from Fertinex (similar to Gonal-F) to Pergonal for no real reason, other than I wasn’t getting/staying pg with Fertinex, despite good ovulation and apparently good egg quality.  He just figured Pergonal was worth a try (and it just so happened to work, too….clinical pregnancy, carried to term). 2 yrs later, I am presently 14 weeks pg from Gonal-F. In my situation, I don’t think Gonal-F was any better or worse, or more or less effective, than the Pergonal.  (my sole cause of infertility is anovulation from PCOS). Other circumstances may vary.  Might as well give the Gonal-F a try. Good luck, -Kay

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Hi Kay, Just to be curious. I understand Pergonal is the same stuff as Menogon (FSH/LH combo). What was the dosage when you started. My RE had me started at one amp per day. Sophie, in Paris – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – <<what is the diffrence with Gonal F? Pergonal contains LH.  Gonal-F doesn’t. Therein lies the difference. Briefly put, LH helps to promote egg maturation.  However, eggs can become *too* mature in a given cycle.  Gonal-F might give you slightly less mature eggs, which could be in your favor.  Some RE’s use them interchangeably. My RE switched me from Fertinex (similar to Gonal-F) to Pergonal for no real reason, other than I wasn’t getting/staying pg with Fertinex, despite good ovulation and apparently good egg quality.  He just figured Pergonal was worth a try (and it just so happened to work, too….clinical pregnancy, carried to term). 2 yrs later, I am presently 14 weeks pg from Gonal-F. In my situation, I don’t think Gonal-F was any better or worse, or more or less effective, than the Pergonal.  (my sole cause of infertility is anovulation from PCOS). Other circumstances may vary.  Might as well give the Gonal-F a try. Good luck, -Kay

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<<Just to be curious. I understand Pergonal is the same stuff as Menogon (FSH/LH combo). What was the dosage when you started. My RE had me started at one amp per day. It was the same dose as my FSH-only med would have been.  I wanted to try a step-down protocol to *minimize* the number of follicles, and it was my idea to start with (I think) 1.5 amps Fertinex (Metrodin HP) then decrease down to 1.0 then 0.5 amps per day.  The RE agreed and then in the next breath said, "hey, let’s try Pergonal, instead!".  So, we kept the new protocol and switched the med. It did produce the desired results (less quantity, better quality).  I didn’t hyperstimulate, I produced only 11 eggs, made 8 embryos, 5 of which went to blastocyst (morula), 1 which became a clinical pregnancy.

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Good point, I was assuming that she was under 35 since she mentions a boyfriend but I do get in trouble assuming things:) rebekah — My Infertility and Miscarriage Website at: http://rebekahmichel19.tripod.com/rebekahsinfo/index.html "Hope is the thing with feathers, that perches on the soul. Sings the tunes without words and never fades at all" -emily dickinson – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – The=20 definition of infertility is the inability to conceive after 1 year of trying</FONT.</DIV Unless you’re in 35, then it’s 6 months of TTC. Mary <DIV

I doubt that Monroe had full-blown PCOS.  She had a number of pregnancies and was able to lose weight fairly easily.  She did have flossy hair on her cheeks, but it might have been a result of aging or one of the drugs she regularly took.  It would be interesting to examine her medicine cabinet a little more closely. She lost a baby boy at 15 weeks gestation during the filming of "Some Like It Hot," and I believe she had had one or more cerclages due to an incompetent cervix. Beth HopefulDreamer <hopefuldreame…@hotmail.com> wrote in message

news:t402afhah8ome1@corp.supernews.com… – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text -> Marilyn Monroe was also a size 12, so it’s definately possible! > rebekah

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Yes, unfortunately a size 12 of yesteryear was much smaller than a size 12 of today.  A size 12, 1960s was 36" bust and hips.  I’m a size 10 and that is 38" hips (or so).  Marilyn wore the equivalent of a size 4 to 6.  Yikes! Talk about vanity sizing! Take care, Carmen "Kamelot" <langs…@busprod.com> wrote in message

news:Y2f06.334$1K1.74355@news1.primary.net… – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text -> Um, being somewhat (embarrassingly enough) of a Marilyn expert…did you > know that when Christie’s was getting ready to auction off that dress she > wore when she sang to President Kennedy, they had to special order one of > those dress bust thingies from France because it was (the dress) smaller > than our regular size 6 dummies? I really don’t think that just about 1 year > before her death, she was bigger than a size 6. Sorry to burst any bubbles. > ) > "Miriam Bonello" <emja…@ihug.com.au> wrote in message > news:91q2uh$5ft$1@bugstomper.ihug.com.au… > > Good point > > Maybe she was???  Actually Marilyn Monroe was a size 14-16! > > > Marilyn Monroe was also a size 12, so it’s definately possible!

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Um, being somewhat (embarrassingly enough) of a Marilyn expert…did you know that when Christie’s was getting ready to auction off that dress she wore when she sang to President Kennedy, they had to special order one of those dress bust thingies from France because it was (the dress) smaller than our regular size 6 dummies? I really don’t think that just about 1 year before her death, she was bigger than a size 6. Sorry to burst any bubbles. ) "Miriam Bonello" <emja…@ihug.com.au> wrote in message

news:91q2uh$5ft$1@bugstomper.ihug.com.au… – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text -> Good point > Maybe she was???  Actually Marilyn Monroe was a size 14-16! > > Marilyn Monroe was also a size 12, so it’s definately possible!

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Marilyn Monroe was also a size 12, so it’s definately possible! rebekah — My Infertility and Miscarriage Website at: http://rebekahmichel19.tripod.com/rebekahsinfo/index.html "Hope is the thing with feathers, that perches on the soul. Sings the tunes without words and never fades at all" -emily dickinson RawkStah <RawkS…@hotmail.com> wrote in message

news:HiR%5.3247$gS.2275713@typhoon.ne.mediaone.net… – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text -> This has little importance, but it is on topic!  I was listening to some > talk show on the radio last night and some guy was talking about a date he > had with a woman who had a "fuzzy face"  Then the host said something like > "ya know, marilyn monroe had a fuzzy face" This is not the first time I’ve > heard this.  Also, I heard that she had a miscarriage while filming a movie, > and that she washed her face 15 times a day…do you think maybe she had > PCOS?  I think it’s interesting because here is a woman who was considered > one of the most beautiful of all time, and it sounds like she has PCOS… a > condition that makes many of us feel "unfeminine."  that stuff might not > even be true, but who knows.  it makes me feel better about it, for some > reason. > Lindsey C.

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Good point Maybe she was???  Actually Marilyn Monroe was a size 14-16! – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text -> Marilyn Monroe was also a size 12, so it’s definately possible!

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This has little importance, but it is on topic!  I was listening to some talk show on the radio last night and some guy was talking about a date he had with a woman who had a "fuzzy face"  Then the host said something like "ya know, marilyn monroe had a fuzzy face" This is not the first time I’ve heard this.  Also, I heard that she had a miscarriage while filming a movie, and that she washed her face 15 times a day…do you think maybe she had PCOS?  I think it’s interesting because here is a woman who was considered one of the most beautiful of all time, and it sounds like she has PCOS… a condition that makes many of us feel "unfeminine."  that stuff might not even be true, but who knows.  it makes me feel better about it, for some reason. Lindsey C.

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Hi, Yes, the waiting is horrible!  I also just remembered this morning that my Dr. is going on vacation, as of today, for 2 weeks!  So much for calling her on Tuesday. It was bad enough when I thought I (only) had to wait an extra day because of the holiday! Now I remember why the nurse was so anxious to book the HSG before friday. How dare she take a vacation! (just kidding. then again, not really Karen

– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – Karen, I had an HSG just last month and agree, it was not as bad as I thought it would be.  I drove myself home 30 mins after the procedure.  My RE indicated, all it could show was if my tubes were open and if my uterus was normal in shape.  They further indicated they might have to do a lap to see if my ovaries were normal, if I had endo or PCOS.  Right now, it does not look like it will come to that, I’ve been diagnosed with Luteal Phase Defect. I know it is tough waiting for an answer. C Hi everyone, I’ve been lurking here for some time now, but this is my first post. My name is Karen and I’m 36 with no children. DH and I decided to get and infertility workup.We have been TTC for 2 years with no luck. Prior to that I used no form of birth control at all for 12 years and nothing happened then either. Anyway…. I found a Dr. and she didn’t waste any time getting started. I went to her 2 weeks ago, and we’ve already done a ton of labs, semen analysis, bloodwork etc… and she also ordered and HSG for me which I have just returned home from. (BTW, it wasn’t that bad. a pinch here and there and some cramps. Take some pain relief before you go and you’ll be fine. I can’t say I’ve had period cramps that where worse, but the cramps from the test where just slightly more intense and only lasted for a minute or two then they started to subside. I might also mention, that I am a big baby when it comes to pain) I am relieved to say that the HSG showed no blockages or abnormalities. Both the Dr. and the radiologist where there and they said everything looked great. This is my question. The bloodwork I had done prior showed elevated levels of DHEA Sulfate. She had me retest to make sure. I don’t know the results of the second test yet, but I imagine it will be the same. From what I have been reading, the main cause for high DHEA is PCO. An ovarian problem. Question #1, Does the HSG show your ovaries? I couldn’t tell. The radiologists was talking about spillage. He waited for each side to see spillage. Does the spillage mean your ovaries are OK? I’m wondering if my uterus and fallopian tubes seem OK maybe there is a problem with my ovaries. Hence the high DHEA. I didn’t even think of asking until after I was on my way home. Question #2  Is there any other reason that DHEA would be high? Besides PCO.  And if there is, is it correctible? I would love to hear if anyone has any oppinions on this. Thanks everyone for letting me ramble, Karen. Before you buy.

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Hi everyone, I’ve been lurking here for some time now, but this is my first post. My name is Karen and I’m 36 with no children. DH and I decided to get and infertility workup.We have been TTC for 2 years with no luck. Prior to that I used no form of birth control at all for 12 years and nothing happened then either. Anyway…. I found a Dr. and she didn’t waste any time getting started. I went to her 2 weeks ago, and we’ve already done a ton of labs, semen analysis, bloodwork etc… and she also ordered and HSG for me which I have just returned home from. (BTW, it wasn’t that bad. a pinch here and there and some cramps. Take some pain relief before you go and you’ll be fine. I can’t say I’ve had period cramps that where worse, but the cramps from the test where just slightly more intense and only lasted for a minute or two then they started to subside. I might also mention, that I am a big baby when it comes to pain) I am relieved to say that the HSG showed no blockages or abnormalities. Both the Dr. and the radiologist where there and they said everything looked great. This is my question. The bloodwork I had done prior showed elevated levels of DHEA Sulfate. She had me retest to make sure. I don’t know the results of the second test yet, but I imagine it will be the same. From what I have been reading, the main cause for high DHEA is PCO. An ovarian problem. Question #1, Does the HSG show your ovaries? I couldn’t tell. The radiologists was talking about spillage. He waited for each side to see spillage. Does the spillage mean your ovaries are OK? I’m wondering if my uterus and fallopian tubes seem OK maybe there is a problem with my ovaries. Hence the high DHEA. I didn’t even think of asking until after I was on my way home. Question #2  Is there any other reason that DHEA would be high? Besides PCO.  And if there is, is it correctible? I would love to hear if anyone has any oppinions on this. Thanks everyone for letting me ramble, Karen.

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Hi Karen, Welcome, just sorry you need to be here.  Your doctor sounds great and they are not wasting anytime.  That’s a good thing at 36 (me too!).  I only have my uneducated answer for question #1.  I don’t believe the HSG can show any problems with your ovaries.  It’s a test primarily to test if you tubes are open.  They may be able to see other things from this test, but I don’t think ovary issues are covered. I had to have a lap for my doctor to get right in there and get a visual. Also intervaginal ultrasounds showed them a good picture of my only ovary and even that was just size and if there were any cysts.  I think the various hormone level tests are what will indicate if there is anything interefering with the normal function of an ovary.  Also, your response to meds will indicate various things as well.  I know there are some excellent internet sites on PCOS.  Unfortunately, I havn’t saved the pages so I’ll ask others in the group to supply some of their best recommendations.  I think Turtle, you have a few good sites I’ve seen you recommend.  Such a wonderful wealth of knowledge! Good luck to you Karen and glad you decided to come out of lurkdom! SueB

– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – Hi everyone, I’ve been lurking here for some time now, but this is my first post. My name is Karen and I’m 36 with no children. DH and I decided to get and infertility workup.We have been TTC for 2 years with no luck. Prior to that I used no form of birth control at all for 12 years and nothing happened then either. Anyway…. I found a Dr. and she didn’t waste any time getting started. I went to her 2 weeks ago, and we’ve already done a ton of labs, semen analysis, bloodwork etc… and she also ordered and HSG for me which I have just returned home from. (BTW, it wasn’t that bad. a pinch here and there and some cramps. Take some pain relief before you go and you’ll be fine. I can’t say I’ve had period cramps that where worse, but the cramps from the test where just slightly more intense and only lasted for a minute or two then they started to subside. I might also mention, that I am a big baby when it comes to pain) I am relieved to say that the HSG showed no blockages or abnormalities. Both the Dr. and the radiologist where there and they said everything looked great. This is my question. The bloodwork I had done prior showed elevated levels of DHEA Sulfate. She had me retest to make sure. I don’t know the results of the second test yet, but I imagine it will be the same. From what I have been reading, the main cause for high DHEA is PCO. An ovarian problem. Question #1, Does the HSG show your ovaries? I couldn’t tell. The radiologists was talking about spillage. He waited for each side to see spillage. Does the spillage mean your ovaries are OK? I’m wondering if my uterus and fallopian tubes seem OK maybe there is a problem with my ovaries. Hence the high DHEA. I didn’t even think of asking until after I was on my way home. Question #2  Is there any other reason that DHEA would be high? Besides PCO.  And if there is, is it correctible? I would love to hear if anyone has any oppinions on this. Thanks everyone for letting me ramble, Karen.

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LOL… I meant to post this to the group, but instead I emailed it to myself. I hit reply, instead of reply group. Here it is… Hi, Thanks for welcoming me and your input. I tend to agree with you about the ovaries and the HSG. Does the HSG show anything else? Would it show tumors or cysts in the uterus or maybe Endo? I was kind of happy when they said it was OK, but now I am wondering if I should be so relieved if all it shows it that my tubes are not blocked. There could still be something wrong with my uterus and tubes I guess. I did find a few sites about PCO and I have read all the posts in the PCO newsgroup. I hate to actually post there though until I know for sure that this is my problem. I don’t have any problems with my periods, they’re like clockwork and that seems to be a big issue with PCO, so I may be jumping the gun trying to diagnose myself, but I can’t find very much info on elevated DHEA Sulfate. The only thing I have found is info on PCO. BTW, completely recovered from my HSG this morning. A little cramping when I got home and was walking around, but nothing really even worth mentioning. Now I feel fine. Just thought I’d mention it since I see people asking about it all the time and I for one was scared to death about it, but it was not so bad. Karen

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When I had a HSG they found that I had a polyp on my cervix.  They also checked the tubes to see if they were clear and open.  The test can check for mild endo – but a lap is still the best test for that.  My hsg did find some endo. Hope this helps good luck Glenda

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LOL… I meant to post this to the group, but instead I emailed it to myself. I hit reply, instead of reply group. Here it is… Hi, Thanks for welcoming me and your input. I tend to agree with you about the ovaries and the HSG. Does the HSG show anything else? Would it show tumors or cysts in the uterus or maybe Endo?

An HSG would show you any abnormalities in the uterus (polyps, septate/bicornuate uterus) but cannot diagnose endo. There have been reports on a imaging thing (sorry, can’t remember specifics to diagnose endo, but as far as I know a lap is still the only way to diagnose it definitively. Welcome, and best of luck! Paula

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Karen, I had an HSG just last month and agree, it was not as bad as I thought it would be.  I drove myself home 30 mins after the procedure.  My RE indicated, all it could show was if my tubes were open and if my uterus was normal in shape.  They further indicated they might have to do a lap to see if my ovaries were normal, if I had endo or PCOS.  Right now, it does not look like it will come to that, I’ve been diagnosed with Luteal Phase Defect. I know it is tough waiting for an answer. C – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – Hi everyone, I’ve been lurking here for some time now, but this is my first post. My name is Karen and I’m 36 with no children. DH and I decided to get and infertility workup.We have been TTC for 2 years with no luck. Prior to that I used no form of birth control at all for 12 years and nothing happened then either. Anyway…. I found a Dr. and she didn’t waste any time getting started. I went to her 2 weeks ago, and we’ve already done a ton of labs, semen analysis, bloodwork etc… and she also ordered and HSG for me which I have just returned home from. (BTW, it wasn’t that bad. a pinch here and there and some cramps. Take some pain relief before you go and you’ll be fine. I can’t say I’ve had period cramps that where worse, but the cramps from the test where just slightly more intense and only lasted for a minute or two then they started to subside. I might also mention, that I am a big baby when it comes to pain) I am relieved to say that the HSG showed no blockages or abnormalities. Both the Dr. and the radiologist where there and they said everything looked great. This is my question. The bloodwork I had done prior showed elevated levels of DHEA Sulfate. She had me retest to make sure. I don’t know the results of the second test yet, but I imagine it will be the same. From what I have been reading, the main cause for high DHEA is PCO. An ovarian problem. Question #1, Does the HSG show your ovaries? I couldn’t tell. The radiologists was talking about spillage. He waited for each side to see spillage. Does the spillage mean your ovaries are OK? I’m wondering if my uterus and fallopian tubes seem OK maybe there is a problem with my ovaries. Hence the high DHEA. I didn’t even think of asking until after I was on my way home. Question #2  Is there any other reason that DHEA would be high? Besides PCO.  And if there is, is it correctible? I would love to hear if anyone has any oppinions on this. Thanks everyone for letting me ramble, Karen.

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We are going to be trying IUI for the first time this month….. (with DH’s washed sperm, he has some clumping….) Can anyone tell me what to expect? I have the general idea down, y’know, getting the ejaculate, going to the doc’s, him washing it, me getting it deposited in the uterus….. But, does anyone have any personal experiences with it that they wouldn’s mind sharing?  did it work for you? Or not?  Do you know any success rate stats on it? Should you stay off your feet the rest of the day??? Alyson (excited but nervous, too.)

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<<Can anyone tell me what to expect? I have the general idea down, y’know, getting the ejaculate, going to the doc’s, him washing it, me getting it deposited in the uterus….. That’s basically it.  They might have you lay there for a few minutes to an hour, after the insemination.  Sometimes there’s mild cramping when the catheter’s inserted.  There’s not a lot to it.  Find out if they want your bladder empty or full, for it.  You can always show up with it full, and empty it, if necessary.  Different clinics have differnt preferences, and if your uterus is anteverted, a full bladder might be optimal. << does anyone have any personal experiences with it that they wouldn’s mind sharing? Nothing really notable.  Sometimes they go smoothly, sometimes they don’t. Catheter insertion is like blindly threading a crooked tunnel. <<  did it work for you? Or not? Nope.  Did it about 5 times.  No luck for me. <<  Do you know any success rate stats on it? I think that with everything being optimal (no sperm problems, woman under 30, 4+ follicles) the maximum success rate would be 18%.  Average success rate is 8%, last I checked. Please check out this website.  Once there, click on the Intra-Uterine Insemination Link……which will bring you to a lot more links about IUI…..everything you’d ever want to know…stats, etc. http://www.inciid.org/links/ <<Should you stay off your feet the rest of the day??? Not necessary, but a lot of people do it…for psychological reasons, if nothing else.. Good luck! -Kay

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Kay I think you gave a terrific run down an what can be expected with IUI. As for the person who posted, I did about 5 of them and I agree with what she said. The only thing I will add, is that I did stay off my feet for all 5 of my IUI’s.  It was definitely for psychological reasons.  I did not have success, but I was glad that I opted to stay home afterwards.  After one of my insems I was in a great deal of pain. Not really sure why, but they say sometimes that happens. Good luck! I know many woman who were lucky with IUI.  Hope you are one of them. Michelle

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I forgot to mention that there might be slight cramping a few days after IUI. Can appear a few days later out of nowhere, or can continue, if you had cramping at the time.  Is likely due to "trauma" caused by catheter introduction into the uterus. -kay

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Basically, it is similar to a pap smear in my opinion…. I did cramp a bit for a couple hours after… I did get pg 2 out of 5 cycles… but I miscarried…. My clinic gives stats of 18-20% …. I usually took it easy for the rest of the day…. I did ‘do things’, but nothing major…. (excited but nervous, too.)

SO WAS I !!!   You’ll do great!                        ~*~      Baby     ~*~           Fly My Angels, Fly, High Up In The Sky       And Look Down On Me Every Now And Then         And Know Im Thinking Of You Every Day…

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Can anyone tell me what to expect? I have the general idea down, y’know, getting the ejaculate, going to the doc’s, him washing it, me getting it deposited in the uterus….. But, does anyone have any personal experiences with it that they wouldn’s mind sharing?

Hi Alyson.  I just had IUI #10 Wednesday.  Most of them have been nearly painless, less than a Pap smear.  Two were excruciating because the doc used a tenaculum to pull the cervix into view.  You may or may not feel a slight pinch as the introducer enters the cervix, and slight cramping as the fluid is injected.  Typically the light cramping subsides in less than a minute. I usually have more discomfort from ovulation itself. For some reason, I have felt kind of sore inside for a day or two, though I am not sure whether or not it has anything to do with the IUI itself.  Some articles state that residual prostaglandins in the washed sperm can induce some cramping and diarrhea fow a few hours or days following the IUI. When the tenaculum was used, I felt a searing, cramping pain that persisted for as long as the clamp was used.  I also felt quite sore for a day or two after. Don’t be alarmed at spotting.  That would be from an irritated cervix, cervical canal, endometrium or perhaps just normal bleeding triggered by ovulation.  It shouldn’t affect results. did it work for you? Or not?

My first, second and sixth unmedicated DIUIs worked.  I’m hoping the tenth will have, too. Do you know any success rate stats on it?

Kay gave some good URLs which give conflicting reports.  Male factor cases using the sperm of the husband are not as successful as DI or other circumstances. Should you stay off your feet the rest of the day???

I get up after 5 minutes and don’t take any special precautions.  The amount of fluid injected is less than a milliliter. .. it’s sticking up in there; it’s not going to leak out. Best of luck to you. Beth Got questions?  Get answers over the phone at Keen.com. Up to 100 minutes free! http://www.keen.com

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Beth: GOOD LUCK…..so you are in the dreaded 2ww, I envy you and don’t envy you… Kinda like a hurts so good.  You’re in my thoughts.. Kim

– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – Can anyone tell me what to expect? I have the general idea down, y’know, getting the ejaculate, going to the doc’s, him washing it, me getting it deposited in the uterus….. But, does anyone have any personal experiences with it that they wouldn’s mind sharing? Hi Alyson.  I just had IUI #10 Wednesday.  Most of them have been nearly painless, less than a Pap smear.  Two were excruciating because the doc used a tenaculum to pull the cervix into view.  You may or may not feel a slight pinch as the introducer enters the cervix, and slight cramping as the fluid is injected.  Typically the light cramping subsides in less than a minute. I usually have more discomfort from ovulation itself. For some reason, I have felt kind of sore inside for a day or two, though I am not sure whether or not it has anything to do with the IUI itself.  Some articles state that residual prostaglandins in the washed sperm can induce some cramping and diarrhea fow a few hours or days following the IUI. When the tenaculum was used, I felt a searing, cramping pain that persisted for as long as the clamp was used.  I also felt quite sore for a day or two after. Don’t be alarmed at spotting.  That would be from an irritated cervix, cervical canal, endometrium or perhaps just normal bleeding triggered by ovulation.  It shouldn’t affect results. did it work for you? Or not? My first, second and sixth unmedicated DIUIs worked.  I’m hoping the tenth will have, too. Do you know any success rate stats on it? Kay gave some good URLs which give conflicting reports.  Male factor cases using the sperm of the husband are not as successful as DI or other circumstances. Should you stay off your feet the rest of the day??? I get up after 5 minutes and don’t take any special precautions.  The amount of fluid injected is less than a milliliter. .. it’s sticking up in there; it’s not going to leak out. Best of luck to you. Beth Got questions?  Get answers over the phone at Keen.com. Up to 100 minutes free! http://www.keen.com

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Beth: GOOD LUCK…..so you are in the dreaded 2ww, I envy you and don’t envy you… Kinda like a hurts so good.  You’re in my thoughts..

Thanks, Kim!  I figure, if this one doesn’t work, then at least I can look forward to doing something constructive in July. That is, I’ll be trying meds next time: Clomid/Pergonal/hCG.  DH is pretty dexterous and seems to like me okay, so I’m betting that he’ll do a great job giving me shots.  <g Here’s hoping there isn’t too much of this IF crapola in our futures–eh, Kim?  Maybe by Labor Day we’ll be knocked up and enjoying feeling fat and nauseated.  I hope so! Beth Got questions?  Get answers over the phone at Keen.com. Up to 100 minutes free! http://www.keen.com

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<<Kay gave some good URLs which give conflicting reports. Yup, it’s really hard to get a straight answer, sometimes.  …especially when it comes to success rate statistics.  There are just soooo many variables (age, egg reserve, cause of infertility, immune issues, combinations of the above, etc., etc…), yet eveyone tends to get lumped together.   I hate comparing a 25 year-old with tubal factor with a 35 year old with PCOS, or with a 40 year-old with male factor.  But, that’s what most of the stats do.  Hard to avoid, I guess.  Lots of individual circumstances. -Kay

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Reb, So glad to hear things are going well for you.  I hope you didn’t have too much trouble convincing your doctor to keep you on the Met.  Enjoy the rest of your pregnancy and best wishes for an uncomplicated delivery. Jeanette Reb <RebREMOVEonREMOVEtheREMOVE…@cswebmail.com> wrote in message

news:8fsven$20d$1@sshuraab-i-1.production.compuserve.com… – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text -> > Have any of you who are diagnosed with PCO goen through a successful > pregnancy? > >  If so, what medications, if any, were you taking during your pregnancy? > I haven’t *quite* gone all the way through a pregnancy…but I *am* in my > third trimester now!  I was able to conceive by taking metformin alone.  I > have continued to take it throughout my pregnancy, and never plan to stop. > My pregnancy has been so problem-free, it totally floors me.  And my baby is > doing great, too. > Reb > TTC 10 yrs+ > PCOS diagnosed 7/99 > Started metformin 8/99 – 2500mg/day > Fertility restored 9/99 > Normal labs 10/99 > Conceived first baby 11/99 > EDD 8/11/00 – It’s a girl!

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Have any of you who are diagnosed with PCO goen through a successful pregnancy?  If so, what medications, if any, were you taking during your pregnancy? Jenni

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>Have any of you who are diagnosed with PCO goen through a successfu pregnancy? > If so, what medications, if any, were you taking during your pregnancy?> >Jenni

Jenni, After 3 years on Clomid, I conceived and delivered a healthy baby girl.  I was on no medications during my pregnancy. Maureen

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I am convinced that I have had PCOS since I was a teen, but that it has gotten worse over the past few  years. I am now 30, but got pregnant (without trying to) when I was 23. I was not even aware at the time that infertility might be a problem for me until my endo (who was treating me for hypothyroid) found out and said "with your menstrual history you shouldn’t have been able to get pregnant!" I have never felt better about proving somebody wrong in my life!!! The only thing I took during the pregnancy were the prenatal vitamins (and then only after the extreme morning sickness was over). I thank God every day that I have my daughter (even though I’m a single mom) because I may never again be able to have another child. "JenniRoa" <jenni…@aol.com> wrote in message

news:20000515001128.22710.00006343@ng-cg1.aol.com… – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text -> Have any of you who are diagnosed with PCO goen through a successful pregnancy? >  If so, what medications, if any, were you taking during your pregnancy? > Jenni

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I was on Rezulin for a year, AF resumed and my endo took me off in 05/99, AF continued every 35 days or so.  DH and I wanted to get pg so my gyno put me on Clomid in November of 99 and we conceived on first round.  The only medication I’m taking is prenatal vitamins, however, I did use progesterone cream the first 10 weeks just in case. Beautiful baby boy is due August 6. Shannon In article <20000515001128.22710.00006…@ng-cg1.aol.com>,   jenni…@aol.com (JenniRoa) wrote: > Have any of you who are diagnosed with PCO goen through a successful pregnancy? >  If so, what medications, if any, were you taking during your pregnancy? > Jenni

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One thing about this…I became pregnant after my first natural AF in over a year. "C Scheible" <CdnYan…@bigfoot.com> wrote in message

news:9oST4.66763$so1.791508@news20.bellglobal.com… – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text -> I am convinced that I have had PCOS since I was a teen, but that it has > gotten worse over the past few  years. I am now 30, but got pregnant > (without trying to) when I was 23. I was not even aware at the time that > infertility might be a problem for me until my endo (who was treating me for > hypothyroid) found out and said "with your menstrual history you shouldn’t > have been able to get pregnant!" I have never felt better about proving > somebody wrong in my life!!! The only thing I took during the pregnancy were > the prenatal vitamins (and then only after the extreme morning sickness was > over). > I thank God every day that I have my daughter (even though I’m a single mom) > because I may never again be able to have another child. > "JenniRoa" <jenni…@aol.com> wrote in message > news:20000515001128.22710.00006343@ng-cg1.aol.com… > > Have any of you who are diagnosed with PCO goen through a successful > pregnancy? > >  If so, what medications, if any, were you taking during your pregnancy? > > Jenni

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I was not diagnosed with PCO when I was pregnant with my son in 1995.  I ended up with very uncontrollabel Gestational Diabetes…had to give myself insulin shots and had to increase the amount a lot and eventually had to have amnio to see if my Son could come out early and then was induced, which led to a c-section.  He ended up fine, but it was scary and I felt horrible.  I bet if you know you have PCOS that a DR can prevent this from happening!  

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I asked my ob/gyn if I had a greater risk of gestational diabetes because of the PCOS and he stated that my risk was the same as any other pg woman.  I am presently 28 weeks and had the test done last Monday and will find out the results on Friday.  Anyone else have gest. diabetes during their pregnancy? Shannon In article <20000515225715.05266.00002…@ng-cq1.aol.com>,   cat…@aol.com (CAT EIS) wrote: > I was not diagnosed with PCO when I was pregnant with my son in 1995.  I ended > up with very uncontrollabel Gestational Diabetes…had to give myself insulin > shots and had to increase the amount a lot and eventually had to have amnio to > see if my Son could come out early and then was induced, which led to a > c-section.  He ended up fine, but it was scary and I felt horrible. I bet if > you know you have PCOS that a DR can prevent this from happening!

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> Have any of you who are diagnosed with PCO goen through a successful pregnancy? >  If so, what medications, if any, were you taking during your pregnancy?

I haven’t *quite* gone all the way through a pregnancy…but I *am* in my third trimester now!  I was able to conceive by taking metformin alone.  I have continued to take it throughout my pregnancy, and never plan to stop. My pregnancy has been so problem-free, it totally floors me.  And my baby is doing great, too. Reb TTC 10 yrs+ PCOS diagnosed 7/99 Started metformin 8/99 – 2500mg/day Fertility restored 9/99 Normal labs 10/99 Conceived first baby 11/99 EDD 8/11/00 – It’s a girl!

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  I’ve had PCO since high school and could never conceive.  In 1997, I lost over a hundred pounds (low carbing, low fat, exercise, etc.) and became pregnant in Sept. 1997 and had a healthy baby boy 6/8/98. (Eric’s almost 2!!). We decided to "try" again but didn’t expect me to get pregnant since we felt that Eric was a miracle!  I became pregnant with our second son in June 1999. Scott was born on March 4 by C-section.  I had gestational diabetes with Scott and had to take insulin daily from the 34th week on.  Except for the insulin, the only medications I took during either of my pregnancies were prenatal vitamins.  I didn’t even take progesterone.  I’m going to be 37 in August and would really love to have another baby, but after all these complications, I’m not sure if I should.  (I had preeclampsia with Eric.)  Both of our sons are healthy.  My goal right now is to enjoy the boys and lose some more weight. I’m currently taking BCP’s and even though I’ve had two pregnancies, I’m interested in metformin for weight loss.  I’ve had a glucose tolerance test and my doctor said my levels are normal and wouldn’t prescribe it. Any suggestions? Thanks…… Lisa

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Jenni, I was diagnosed in 1980 and have been pregnant twice, both term, normal, healthy babies.  But it was several years later, 1989 and 1991.  I was not on any medications at the time but had lost 60 lbs. before conceiving the first one.  That doesn’t mean my weight loss was responsible, we also had male factor when I was married and these were not conceived with my by-then-Ex-Husband. I am currently ttc again with new DH, been trying for 3 years, been on Met since Mar. 99, and doing my first cycle of 150 mg. Clomid. Jeanette JenniRoa <jenni…@aol.com> wrote in message

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Missy i’m sorry to hear about the things going on in your life.  I remember your name from this board, and I think of you all as family.  I hope 2000 brings you happier days.

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Missy – I was very glad to see your name as a poster, but I am very sorry for what you have been through these last few months.  It just goes to show you that life is not fair, as the crew on this newsgroup is very well aware. I am hoping and praying that the new year and new millenium brings new hope and satisfaction to all of those who still remain posting to m.h.i. Take care and know that my prayers are with you. Rachel

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Dear Debbie-      I’m so glad you are back!   You scared me.  When we didn’t hear from you, I was very worried.       Anyway,  I am so, so sorry about the m/c.  D*mit!  I thought this would be the one for you.  How much can we all take???     As far as indulging because you don’t have to worry about cycling,  well I’ve been eating like a pig,  drinking up a storm  and having sex with Dh where ever we want,  when ever we want,  JUST  BECAUSE  WE   WANT!      Go for it!   It’s a nice to have fun and be in love again     For the survey…..I had one D&C in 2-99 and 1 early m/c in 4-99.   My FIL,  Dr. FIL that is,  feels that many womens’  IF is due to being on the b/c pill for several years.  I was on it for 17 yrs of my life.  Isn’t that ironic?     Hugs to you, Mari

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Dr. FIL that is, feels that many womens’ IF is due to being on the b/c pill for several years.

Is it scientific? I’ve been taking an extra amount of Cyproterone Acetate 12 mg (along with my BCP) for 15 days of every cycle.  ,,  ,—, (_,/ _/   _/__/ ,,/_/,,/_/,,

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Debbie I don’t have any answers for you but want to let you know how very sorry I am. It just plain stinks and I’ll never know why. Take care Hugs Diane

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Hi Debbie, I am so very sorry for your loss.  I have had two miscarriages in the past 2 years.  I at 9 weeks and 1 at 7 weeks. No causes have been found for my miscarriages and I’ve had all the immune and anatomy testing possible.  My progesterone has always been high and with one miscarriage I was even on supps.  I personally do not think that it is environmental/lifestyle-related.  People around me seem to conceive with ease and I live (and have always lived) what I assess to be a very healthy life.  However, I can’t accept the fact that this is all accounted for by very bad luck (what some doctors have told me).  It’s terrifying to not know why, but for some reason I have faith that this will work out for us.  Hope is all I have right now.  My thoughts and prayers are with you and DH.  I wish there was something I could do to help.  Please be kind to yourself and take good care, Kim

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You should look into immunological testing! Look up http://www.inciid.org/immune.html It has helped many women. Good Luck Lynn – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – Hi. I just got up from a nap…and was thinking about how many of us on here have miscarried. I kinda wanted to do a poll. For me, I have m/c 7 times now, all before the end of week 7. 4 m/c in just the last two years. I have a completely tipped uterus, but Dr.s say that is not a problem. Dr. say its ‘a progesterone problem’, yet Ive been on Crinone the last two pg. Sometimes I wonder if there is ’something’ in our world these days that makes so many of us struggle with IF.  If its in the food we ate growing up, the water we drank, something we have breathed… may sound like Im grabbing at straws, but you never know!  Would love to hear from my cyber friends on this one… Love and hugs,,, Debbie

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Debbie, Glad you are feeling well enough to think about this. We had 2 m/c (7 weeks) then discovered a fibroid, had that removed. M/c at 10 weeks due to Turners syndrome. Now m/c 5/12/99 and again 9/12/99, the second one was ectopic. We have had a total of 18 embryos transfered after 5 ICSI’s, and still do not have a baby. They have tested for APA and the result was normal, the more extensive APA testing is not done here,(South Africa) and if it is the problem, the treatment is not available here either, so it is hopefully not the problem.  RE says he does not know what more to test, everything he has tried has come back normal. I do think sometimes that we are missing something, and it is something that obvious that nobody thought about it.  After changing to work part time we really thought that with less stress it would be the answer, but obviously not. Perhaps 2000 will bring new hope and fresh ideas. Good luck to you all. Erin

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Debbie, I’m sorry to hear you’ve lost yet another pg – I’ve had 3 very early m/c (2 natural & 1 IVF) in a span of 8 mos. this past year (was unexplained for 3 yrs).  After the 3rd loss we saw a specialist & immune testing revealed I have no maternal blocking antibodies & elevated natural killer cells. I’m still undergoing the treatment for this & I don’t know what my chances of success are now because my recent FSH level jumped up to 9.8 from 7.9   Take care, Tammy

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Gee, so MANY m’c’s on this board.  SOO much heartache.  I do agree with Paula, though.  I think it only *seems* like IFer’s m/c more b/c we know so early on that we are pg.  Dr. Schoolcraft told me that if every sexualy active woman of child bearing age had to take a HPT EVERY month at 14dpo, we would probably see the m/c rate in naturally conceived pg’s would be close to 50%.  I myself have had four m/c’s, the last two pg’s being twins.  All my pg’s were with the help of ART.  So far all testing has been normal and no cause has been found for my m/c’s.  If it’s true what Mari’s Dr. FIL, then I too took the pill for 16 or 17 years.  Who knows?   Fondly,  Rea 6 ^i^’s

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We miscarried after seeing heartbeat 3 years ago (only time pregnant). Been trying now for many years. I frankly wonder with all the embryos transferred with IVFs why we haven’t at least gotten a pregnant more, even if we did miscarry. The failure to implant an embryo we saw a photo of feels like a little miscarriage, but seeing the heartbeat and then lost still haunts us. For what it is worth: I won’t use Crinone (at least not just one tube) because on the IVF cycle that I used it my period started up early by 4 days. That is the only time that ever happened. Without meds I have a natural luteal phase defect of 3 – 5 days and short light periods. I have found that progesterone in oil shots works better (and last doctor also included suppositories). With the oil shots in the hip my IVF cycles have never started up early and my lining is good. When I got pregnant I used 100mg per day, but most docs just say 50mg is okay (I have asked to use more and they have said okay, but my hips might get more sore). I have permanent lumps in my hips now from all my various shots (scar tissue?). I’m so sorry for your recent loss when I know you had such hopes. You also might want to look into some of the autoimmune issues, if you decide you want to try again. HUGS! Meg F – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – Hi. I just got up from a nap…and was thinking about how many of us on here have miscarried. I kinda wanted to do a poll.   For me, I have m/c 7 times now, all before the end of week 7. 4 m/c in just the last two years. I have a completely tipped uterus, but Dr.s say that is not a problem. Dr. say its ‘a progesterone problem’, yet Ive been on Crinone the last two pg. Sometimes I wonder if there is ’something’ in our world these days that makes so many of us struggle with IF.  If its in the food we ate growing up, the water we drank, something we have breathed… may sound like Im grabbing at straws, but you never know!  Would love to hear from my cyber friends on this one… Love and hugs,,, Debbie

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Debbie, I left this ng and then left online for the past several months.  (Quick update = Since I left this ng in August, I managed to:  Get pg with another IVF/ICSI/AH and PGT, lose my great-grandmother, lose our daughter at 6 weeks, and lose my nanny (grandmother).  All deaths within the past two months.  I’m not asking for sympathy…I’m doing just fine.  I just thought it appropriate to post an update on why I’ve not been here.)   Being a little sentimental, I decided to get online and check all the old ng’s out.  I hope this comes across the right way.  But, I saw very quickly why I subconsciously didn’t get online.  Reading your post – and the many others – tore my heart out.  I had a "Pollyanna" attitude that I’d check up on everyone and there would be all these new names and none of the familiar ones.  How disappointing  I wish I could say something to help ease the hurt and pain with which you are dealing. I can’t seem to type the words that I’m feeling when reading your post and others.  Please just know that you are in my thoughts.  And, for those of you who are comforted by it, know you are also in my prayers. Sincerely, Missy in Indiana  

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Missy I am so sorry to hear all you have been through.  Thank you for sharing, we miss you!  I don’t know what to say, you have been through some terrible losses – we are all here for you, I feel the same about reading posts, its is truly heart breaking. I am thinking about you too, I wish you comfort and all the best. Hugs Diane

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Dear Missy-     It was good to hear from you.  I am very sorry for all of the sadness you have had to deal with,  lately.  Hopefully,  2000 will bring many good things for all of us. Mari

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Hey Debbie……. I have to start by saying Sorry for you loss.  I really know how you must feel now.  I had 1 m/c in May 98 due to a septate uterus.  I had the uterine septum removed and still no luck.  There has to be something else wrong somewhere.  I do also have mild endo in which my RE said that probably wasn’t the problem.  I also have a tipped uterus…leading us to IUI.  I am currently in the 2ww from h*ll.  Best of luck to you in whatever you choose!! Love, Vanessa – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – Hi. I just got up from a nap…and was thinking about how many of us on here have miscarried. I kinda wanted to do a poll. For me, I have m/c 7 times now, all before the end of week 7. 4 m/c in just the last two years. I have a completely tipped uterus, but Dr.s say that is not a problem. Dr. say its ‘a progesterone problem’, yet Ive been on Crinone the last two pg. Sometimes I wonder if there is ’something’ in our world these days that makes so many of us struggle with IF.  If its in the food we ate growing up, the water we drank, something we have breathed… may sound like Im grabbing at straws, but you never know!  Would love to hear from my cyber friends on this one… Love and hugs,,, Debbie

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Hi Deb, It’s hard for me to believe that it is something that we eat, or something in our environment, etc…that causes us to m/c.  Just look at all the women taking cocaine, alcohol, tobacco, and other drugs during their entire pregnancies and go on to have healthy babies.   I just don’t …can’t…believe that it is under our control.  Have you undergone testing for recurrent m/c?  My RE wants to wait to see if the next pg ends in m/c before we start testing.  I would like to know why I have trouble getting pg…and then staying pg…too. I’m so sorry for your losses, hon. Brenna 2 m/c (at 10 weeks and at 5 weeks)

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I’ve lost 5 pg’s (4 m/c’s, 1 ectopic) After the 3rd m/c (because they make you wait to have that many!!) I had some testing done and found out that I did not have any Blocking Antibodies. This is the thing they do the LIT’s for. I had the treatment, but have not had a successful pg in the window of time they give you. It breaks my heart to think that my babies were rejected by my own body! Considering I only have 1 tube, I’ve not had too much problem conceiving, but keeping them seems to be the problem for me too. I also am running out of time here…I am 42 (for a few more months) Debbie…have you been tested for immune stuff? Karen – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – Hi. I just got up from a nap…and was thinking about how many of us on here have miscarried. I kinda wanted to do a poll.   For me, I have m/c 7 times now, all before the end of week 7. 4 m/c in just the last two years. I have a completely tipped uterus, but Dr.s say that is not a problem. Dr. say its ‘a progesterone problem’, yet Ive been on Crinone the last two pg. Sometimes I wonder if there is ’something’ in our world these days that makes so many of us struggle with IF.  If its in the food we ate growing up, the water we drank, something we have breathed… may sound like Im grabbing at straws, but you never know!  Would love to hear from my cyber friends on this one… Love and hugs,,, Debbie

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I just got up from a nap…and was thinking about how many of us on here have miscarried. I kinda wanted to do a poll.  

With XH I had one miscarriage at about 10 weeks.  (Conception was a near miracle anyhow, since we later found out he had near 0 motility and near 0 normal sperm.) With DH I’ve had one miscarriage (last January) at about 7 weeks and what appears to be two failed implantations (in the last 5 months). Less than a month before I can finally get to my doctor’s appt and get referred to an RE.  I’ll be glad when I’m really ‘on the trail.’ Teri

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Debbie, I have had the one M/C at 6wks 4days. If its in the food we ate growing up, the water we drank, something we have breathed…

I wonder if its maybe even hereditary because my cousin has also had problems with infertility (m/c, endo) I dont know why we m/c but if we did know would it make it any easier on us? Would we wonder if because of what we know that it was something we did wrong?  There are so many feelings involved in IF alone that anything on top of it is almost unbearable at times.   I do know Debbie,  that you are so strong and I admire you so much and I think that this quality about you is going to lead to great things whether its IF or any other struggle that comes your way.   Ellen PCOS 3rd cycle of clomid 50mg 1~j~ 3/99

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I had one m/c that I know of. It was about 20 years ago and I was 6 weeks. Janet

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Hi: I had one m/c post ICSI.  The RE did the D&C and took a sample of the tissue.  I guess normally they wait until the 3rd m/c.  The fetus was found to have chromosomal damage (Turner’s syndrome:  only one sex chromosome).  I just completed a second cycle of ICSI, with pre-implantation genetic testing done on the embryos.  One of them was found to have Turner’s syndrome as well.  Anyways the 2 embryos that did pass the test, didn’t take. Debbie, I’m so sorry about your m/c. Karen

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Sometimes I wonder if there is ’something’ in our world these days that makes so many of us struggle with IF.  If its in the food we ate growing up, the water we drank, something we have breathed… may sound like Im grabbing at straws, but you never know!  Would love to hear from my cyber friends on this one…

My theory on this… IF women may be some of the only ones who even *know* they’re pregnant at 4 weeks, 5 weeks. Many "normal" fertile women wait until they’ve missed a period (even two), maybe by a couple of weeks, before they would even think about taking a pregnancy test. I know that a large percentage of all pregnancies end in very early miscarriage, but many women don’t even know they’re pregnant, so they just assume it’s a late and/or heavy period. We, of course, already know we’re pregnant. Not that this diminishes the pain, but I think it gives us the impression that IFers miscarry more than the fertile world, which may not be the case. Debbie, I’m so sorry about what you’ve been through. Please take care of yourself. Paula 1 ^i^ 3/98

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A friend of mine who has had multiple m/c swears there is something in our environment or daily lives that is causing reproductive problems in both men and women.  Maybe food additives/chemicals we eat and drink contribute to it?  I know it couldn’t be the cause of all reproductive problems but maybe it’s a factor in some of them. It’s a different problem, but I’ve wondered why I don’t ovulate.  I am almost positive I used to and I’m only 34 (and I wasn’t ovulating on my own 3 years ago)… I wonder if it’s age or something else? Cathy

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Hi. I just got up from a nap…and was thinking about how many of us on here have miscarried. I kinda wanted to do a poll.   For me, I have m/c 7 times now, all before the end of week 7. 4 m/c in just the last two years. I have a completely tipped uterus, but Dr.s say that is not a problem. Dr. say its ‘a progesterone problem’, yet Ive been on Crinone the last two pg. Sometimes I wonder if there is ’something’ in our world these days that makes so many of us struggle with IF.  If its in the food we ate growing up, the water we drank, something we have breathed… may sound like Im grabbing at straws, but you never know!  Would love to hear from my cyber friends on this one… Love and hugs,,, Debbie

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I have had 5 MC’s and 1 ectopic…….yuk!!! I am soon going to learn my results as to why I am having such a problem ~~Best wishes that all of your hopes and dreams come true~~ Cyndie TTCx5yrs DES exposure 1 ectopic Many miscarriages (last one 9/99) 1 lap Back in the saddle..I mean stirrups again!!!!! Morgan, you will live in my heart and soul forever.

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My court records identify me as "Baby Aaron", would that be a first name that they tagged me with at birth, or a last name that may have some search significance?

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It would be your original LAST name. – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – My court records identify me as "Baby Aaron", would that be a first name that they tagged me with at birth, or a last name that may have some search significance?

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Most of the time that is a last name of which belongs to the birthmother. You will need to locate her father or brother if she has one and if she has married since. ~*~Angi~*~ @—— Dx PCOS since 1985 Infertility since 1992 Possible PKD DCI/INS-1 Study in Boston No success: Glucophage, DeltaZone, Clomid Founder of Adopt:A.S.A.P. adoptasap.com & adoptasap.net

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My court records identify me as "Baby Aaron", would that be a first name that they tagged me with at birth, or a last name that may have some search significance?

Considering that your name is now "Elizabeth", I’d guess either that "Aaron" was your last name at birth or that you have some issues to take up with your adoptive parents and their pediatrician. Seriously, that’s the usual way of referring to a baby who hasn’t been given a first name: Baby Lastname. whoever Baby Coffeepot

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Considering that your name is now "Elizabeth", I’d guess either that "Aaron" was your last name at birth or that you have some issues to take up with your adoptive parents and their pediatrician. Seriously, that’s the usual way of referring to a baby who hasn’t been

given a Ok, so I forgot to mention that my wife and I use the same account and just use her name  (all the fun of crossdressing without the expense of size 11 EEE pumps)–I was hoping that Aaron would be like a maternal last name and thus be the only piece of info that I had gotten so far—well, thanks ya’ll

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Ok, so I forgot to mention that my wife and I use the same account and just use her name  (all the fun of crossdressing without the expense of size 11 EEE pumps)–I was hoping that Aaron would be like a maternal last name and thus be the only piece of info that I had gotten so far—well, thanks ya’ll

While it’s still likely that Aaron is a surname, there are some jurisdictions that indeed refer to the child as "Baby [first name]. If you don’t wish to be more specific here, it might be a good idea to contact a search/support group in the area where your adoption took place and ask the question of them. Or, as an alternative, you could simply search for a birthmother with big feet.  :-) Nancy (you figure it out…) "Well if you think I am going to stand for this lying down, you had better think again!"      Celeste  12/30/96

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Shane said : " (all the fun of crossdressing without the expense of size 11 EEE pumps) " I ask : I guess this rules out us getting a picture of you in drag.  *sigh* Oh well, so much for some comic relief girls. — MrsRat Admin XWorld NetWork http://www.xworld.org http://sefl.satelnet.org/~brats/

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i would pay good money to see…. i keep begging my hubby to put on a dress for the laugh and he just thinks i’m strange…… (lol )

– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – Shane said : " (all the fun of crossdressing without the expense of size 11 EEE pumps) " I ask : I guess this rules out us getting a picture of you in drag.  *sigh* Oh well, so much for some comic relief girls. — MrsRat Admin XWorld NetWork http://www.xworld.org http://sefl.satelnet.org/~brats/

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Well folks, after several years of having the same email address, I am those of you who have reason to engage me in private email from time to time.  I also have left Bastard Nation, for those of you who keep up with those sorts of things. I expect to be offline for some months during this transition period except for occasional checks of my email, so aloha, everybody, and if any of you ever get to the islands, make sure and email me and I’ll show you around. Shea

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Well folks, after several years of having the same email address, I am moving to Hawaii,

Sounds like a great adventure those of you who have reason to engage me in private email from time to time.  I also have left Bastard Nation,

Say it isn’t so!  for those of you who keep up with those sorts of things. I expect to be offline for some months during this transition period except for occasional checks of my email, so aloha, everybody, and if any of you ever get to the islands, make sure and email me and I’ll show you around.

Take care and here’s hoping nothing gets lost or broken in the move Kathy

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WOW Hawaii??? You lucky duck! er..Lucky Hula. LOL. Man! Make sure you get a website if you dont have one and scan in some pics for us lowly people stuck in the "inland" states. LOL. Have a great and safe move, Shea. Well folks, after several years of having the same email address, I am

those of you who have reason to engage me in private email from time to time.  I also have left Bastard Nation, for those of you who keep up with those sorts of things. I expect to be offline for some months during this transition period except for occasional checks of my email, so aloha, everybody, and if any of you ever get to the islands, make sure and email me and I’ll show you around. Shea <<<<<<< ~*~Angi~*~ @—— Dx PCOS since 1985 Infertility since 1992 Possible PKD DCI/INS-1 Study in Boston No success: Glucophage, DeltaZone, Clomid Founder of Adopt:A.S.A.P. adoptasap.com & adoptasap.net

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Well folks, after several years of having the same email address, I am

How nice.  Congrats. May the move go smoothly. Soon, Shea, you will be able to answer one of the great imponderable questions, to wit:  "Why are there Interstates in Hawaii?" Linda in Maryland

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Good luck Shea! If you want to get ready for Hawaiian culture, just give me a call and I’ll sing you Pearly Shells in Hawaiian — I’m told it sounds the best when you’re  drunk dck

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Good-bye dearest Shea… I know I’ll miss chatting with you here and on BEST, and will definitely miss your expertise and legal advice/knowledge on adoption issues. I sincerely hope to see you on the adoption reform front again some day in the future. In the meantime, I wish you the very best in your new life in Hawai’i! Mahalo to a Bastard Warrior and Goddess! Yours forever in Bastardry, Cheryl-

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I am moving to Hawaii, …

Good bye for now, come back soon, good luck with your move, keep fighting, and Aloha. steve Reply to:  stevewhite at ce dot mediaone dot net

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I am moving to Hawaii, …

Thank you Shea.. You, in my opinion, have helped a lot of people.. Jackie C

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