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I agree that people should pay their debts, but Good Golly Miss Molly, people don’t all go into debt because they were buying high priced toys: some folks have had to deal with unemployment, sickness, family emergencies, etc. Sometimes bad things happen to folks who were being careful about their credit. But even with regards to those who were "irresponsible", criminal penalities just don’t apply.
No kidding. I am appalled at some of the ridiculous "opinions" on this thread. Jail for people in debt? Has anyone here actually liived in the real world of emergencies, unforseen circumstances, and just plain bad judgement? Give me a fucking break! I had credit card companies throwing credit cards at me, a teenage college student. I didn’t know what the hell I was doing. At any rate, from what I can tell, the issue DCK is talking about involves who should pay for these credit "mistakes", and I don’t see how anyone can argue against holding the credit card companies responsible versus the taxpayers. Criminal penalities for debtors is just absurd. Shea
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I cannot believe that members of this ng would be calling for an obvious violation of human civil and political rights under both U.S. and internatinal law. Your ignorance and insensitivity is chilling.
Yeah, I’m so ignorant that I am living virtually debt free. Insensitivity to whom? People that insist on instant gratification? People that believe that the best things in life are bought on credit? I think the premise was based on people being jailed for being poor- and going into debt to *live*, such as farmers do. I am talking about people that use credit cards and loans to live far beyond their means. Can’t live without that sofa, charge it. Can’t get by without a new Lexus this year…. who gives a shit if I can pay or not. It’s not my fault, if they didn’t give me credit, I wouldn’t be in debt. Sorry, but this is criminal. And no matter what DCK says, we are *already* paying to bail the credit companies out. Why should someone have their debts forgiven in bankruptcy court? I want a free riding lawnmower too. Jeannette, The Oh So Smart Birthmom Growth is the only evidence of life. -Cardinal Newman
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You are so full of it Al. It has nothing to do with jailing people for fiscal irresponsibility, it has to do with STEALING, which is taking something that doesn’t belong to you without paying for it. You are here telling me that you think it’s OKAY for people to blow off their debt? That their should be no reprecussion for racking up tens of thousands of dollars in unsecured debt, and then go to bankruptcy court and have it reduced or wiped out? While the average Joe American is busting his ass to keep his head above water? It has nothing to do with freedom. It has to do with who the hell is getting ripped off. I value my freedom, and am very well aware of the price that was paid for it, thanks. (I gave at the office). I also believe in personal responsibility. – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text -You miss the point. I find it deeply saddening that there are many people out there who just don’t understand what it is too live in a democratic country with a relatively fair judiciary and system of governance. After awhile, having forgotten the price paid to attain their own liberty by generations past, such people start to believe that it should be OK to jail fiscally irresponsible people, that it should be OK to jail people for the expression of their political beliefs through outrageous behaviours like flagburning, that it should be OK for police to beat minority prisoners in interrogation rooms or rub pepper spray into the eyes of peaceful anti-logging protesters, that prison officlas should hold prisoners in restraints, whip them into chain gangs and torture them with electric stun weapons (including electric stun belts fastened by chains to their bodies), to hold 2.2 million Americans behind bars, including as much as 30% of the male population of certain ethnic minorities… etc, etc., etc. Where does it end? How irresponsible have we become as citizens to NOT be able to recognise that such things are wrong, incompatible with the principles of civil society and, most importantly, a threat to all of our freedoms if they are alllowed to happen? Well.. no doubt the same citizens who like to rationalise away unjust, coercive of just plain corrupt adoption practices….
Jeannette, The Oh So Smart Birthmom Growth is the only evidence of life. -Cardinal Newman
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You are so full of it Al. It has nothing to do with jailing people for fiscal irresponsibility, it has to do with STEALING, which is taking something that doesn’t belong to you without paying for it. You are here telling me that you think it’s OKAY for people to blow off their debt? That their should be no reprecussion for racking up tens of thousands of dollars in unsecured debt, and then go to bankruptcy court and have it reduced or wiped out? While the average Joe American is busting his ass to keep his head above water? It has nothing to do with freedom. It has to do with who the hell is getting ripped off. I value my freedom, and am very well aware of the price that was paid for it, thanks. (I gave at the office). I also believe in personal responsibility.
Wow. Ok, this is REALLY off topic, but I will get in my .02 here. Stealing is taking something that isn’t yours. Accepting a loan is not stealing, but there is a risk that is assumed on both sides, namely on the side of the lender. From what I can tell, credit card companies and the like look at extending credit as a kind of investment: there is a risk involved in extending unsecured credit, but the payoff is that most people will pay their debt, plus finance charges, etc, which means a return on the investment for the lender. Unless a person has engaged in outright fraud (i.e. obtaining credit under false pretenses), I fail to see how a later inability to pay a debt is a *criminal* offense. Besides, how the hell is someone supposed to pay off their debts if they are in jail? As for the credit card companies, while I certainly agree that people should curb their spending to be within their means (my guideline is to have less credit card debt than the equivilent of one month’s salary), the credit industry must assume some responsiblity for its rather irresponsible lending practices as well as the fact that it has become rather difficult for people to function in modern society without one. I have known a number of people, unemployed, who have received credit card applications in the mail. When they have sent the applications back, clearly stating "unemployed" in the "occupation" box, they have received credit cards in the mail (with a letter commending them for their honestly, and informing them that their unemployed status means that they have to have a *higher* interest rate). College students (who seldom have much money) are bombarded with applications for easy credit. "Secured" and "High Risk" credit card companies bombard the already financially strapped with offers of credit cards. I wouldn’t loan a friend who was unemployed and who had a bad record of repaying debts money with an assumption of eventual repayment, I fail to understand how these credit card companies can justify their actions, except to note that they are probably expecting to make money in late fees, etc, even IF they don’t get all the principal back. This would be bad enough, however, many of the things that used to be possible without a credit card suddenly require a credit card. It used to be possible to order mail order goods by phone COD. Not very common anymore. Try to rent a car or a hotel room without a credit card. . .in some hotels (not fancy ones, either), even if you are paying with cash, you need a credit card to rent a room. Video stores require a credit card. Mortgage companies want you to have some sort of revolving consumer credit account before you can get a mortgage. Cell phone companies, any sort of equipment rental, etc. . . Somehow, the proliferation of credit cards has led to a society where not having a credit card is a burden. I agree that people should pay their debts, but Good Golly Miss Molly, people don’t all go into debt because they were buying high priced toys: some folks have had to deal with unemployment, sickness, family emergencies, etc. Sometimes bad things happen to folks who were being careful about their credit. But even with regards to those who were "irresponsible", criminal penalities just don’t apply. And for the record, DCK, I don’t think that credit card companies should be subjected to special treatment in bankruptcy proceedings, either. Lainie Share what you know. Learn what you don’t.
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Remember what it cost us the last time we bailed out lenders because of shoiddy creidt practices? Cost us billions, as I recall.
Absolutely!!!! And, that is exactly what is about to happen — unless we do something. The only thing that will get the politicians’ attention is a grassroots protest. Shred those credit card solicitations and send them to Washington. We have to get the word out or this legislation will become law in September! dck
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yea … now that I think about it, PAP’s everywhere should support this legislation. If bankruptcy is no longer available to birthmothers facing medical and credit card debt, then maybe they’ll have no choice but to give up their babies … That is not what this bill is… according to your first post.
Actually that’s exactly what it is. There are many different facets to the legislation and many different consequences. If you would like to discuss it in detail, I’d be happy to explain it to you. Barring that, the real issues at play really have nothing to do with whether it’s right or wrong for people to go into debt (that’s a no brainer). There are two major questions. One: should our laws be decided by the people with the most money or the people who know what they’re doing. Every single person who has read and understood this law (even the credit card lobbyists), agree that it’s a bad law. That it will hurt people. But, it will create more profits for the credit card companies and that is why they have paid $62 million to get it passed. The second question is who should pay for lending mistakes: the lenders or the taxpayers. Under the status quo, the lenders pay for their own mistakes. If this law is passed you and I will pay for the mistakes. That’s not something I’m willing to do. I bet you’re not willing either. I hope you’ll help with this fight because it is important to all of us. No one thinks it’s great for people to go into debt. We need to fix that. But, this law doesn’t address that problem — it creates more problems for you and me. dck
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writes: As it stands the credit card companies pay. But, that is about to change. If Congress passes the law — which the credit card companies have paid over $62 million to get passed — YOU will pay. So, it’s up to you. You can keep up your attitude, but you better be willing to open your wallet.
Make the people that have debt pay. Or put them in jail. See how simple it is? Jeannette, The Oh So Smart Birthmom Growth is the only evidence of life. -Cardinal Newman
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Make the people that have debt pay. Or put them in jail. See how simple it is?
pssst … we’re in the real world … But, don’t worry, if you can’t figure this out, you won’t notice when you have to pay for all that debt. And that’s exactly what’s going to happen if the law is passed. dck
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Make the people that have debt pay. Or put them in jail. See how simple it is?
Erh…. that would be unconstitutional. It is a founding principle of the United States of America that citizens may not be imprisoned for debt (which happened frequently in the England of King George’s which we rebelled against). I cannot believe that members of this ng would be calling for an obvious violation of human civil and political rights under both U.S. and internatinal law. Your ignorance and insensitivity is chilling. – asw
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Yeah, I’m so ignorant that I am living virtually debt free. Insensitivity to whom? People that insist on instant gratification? People that believe that the best things in life are bought on credit?
Now, I have no opinion on DCK’s protest, but I do have an opinion on your comment. You miss the point. I find it deeply saddening that there are many people out there who just don’t understand what it is too live in a democratic country with a relatively fair judiciary and system of governance. After awhile, having forgotten the price paid to attain their own liberty by generations past, such people start to believe that it should be OK to jail fiscally irresponsible people, that it should be OK to jail people for the expression of their political beliefs through outrageous behaviours like flagburning, that it should be OK for police to beat minority prisoners in interrogation rooms or rub pepper spray into the eyes of peaceful anti-logging protesters, that prison officlas should hold prisoners in restraints, whip them into chain gangs and torture them with electric stun weapons (including electric stun belts fastened by chains to their bodies), to hold 2.2 million Americans behind bars, including as much as 30% of the male population of certain ethnic minorities… etc, etc., etc. Where does it end? How irresponsible have we become as citizens to NOT be able to recognise that such things are wrong, incompatible with the principles of civil society and, most importantly, a threat to all of our freedoms if they are alllowed to happen? Well.. no doubt the same citizens who like to rationalise away unjust, coercive of just plain corrupt adoption practices…. – asw
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You are so full of it Al. It has nothing to do with jailing people for fiscal irresponsibility, it has to do with STEALING, which is taking something that
Oh boy… whatever… I should never have gotten involved in this thread and would never have done so had I not seen your attempt at reopening the Marshallsea Debtors’ Prison. it, thanks. (I gave at the office). I also believe in personal responsibility.
Oh I do too. But I don’t believe in unwinding 200 years of social progress to achieve it. You are scary. – asw
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A couple of days ago someone posted a site where you put in a ss number and it tells you where and when it was given. I thought I had the site, but cannot find it. Please post it again. Thank you. Emily
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writes: Unfortunately it’s not that simple. If this law is past YOU get to pay for other people’s mistakes. If the law is defeated, the credit card companies get to pay. Which do you prefer?
Oh bullshit. If didn’t use credit cards to live beyond their means, and felt some sort of obligation to pay their debts, we wouldn’t have this problem, would we? Jeannette, The Oh So Smart Birthmom Growth is the only evidence of life. -Cardinal Newman
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h bullshit. If didn’t use credit cards to live beyond their means, and felt some sort of obligation to pay their debts, we wouldn’t have this problem, would we?
Don’t you wonder how people lived before CREDIT cards??? My grandparents never had one, either set and yet they made it. Credit cards are too easy..its plastic not real. Payments are set so that you pay back forever. You can (theoretically) never pay them off. I have a savings account. I save up to get what I need. I don’t even have a car payment.! My car may be 10 years old but it is in great shape.. Linda If LIFE IS A GAME.. WHY DON’T ALL THE DOTS CONNECT???
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Ditto here. We dont have any either. We do want one only incase of an emergency but thats it. Incidently, I have a friend who buys EVERYTHING in cash, no loans..cash!!! Her house, car, land, everything in cash. She isnt rich either. They live humble lives. If she can do it with 2 kids to care for, then we all can. No credit cards, no debt. What a concept.
My feeling exactly. I have no credit cards, don’t plan to get any!! I had enough trouble with medical bills not long ago..over 30,000 in debt due to medical alone..who needs credit cards!! Linda If LIFE IS A GAME.. WHY DON’T ALL THE DOTS CONNECT??? <<< ~*~Angi~*~ @—— Dx PCOS since 1985 Infertility since 1992 Possible PKD DCI/INS-1 Study in Boston No success: Glucophage, DeltaZone, Clomid Founder of Adopt:A.S.A.P. adoptasap.com/contact.html PCOSA Head Cyster Maine Chapter pcosupport.org
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I agree again. We could have filed bankruptsy for all our medical bills, they were really high. We said NO. They can wait and they got paid 6 yrs later. Yes our credit was bad, but o darn, we had to wait a few more years to buy our house and car. Loans are enough to deal with, espeically when you have a time frame to think about it and not be an impulse buyer. CC are not an answer. We were even homeless for a time due to poverty. I could have had a CC to get things, but it would have had me back on the street again. I am actually grateful for my experiences in poverty and a tight buck. It makes you realize items are not important. CC are not used in my family or hubbies. We all do just fine. If didn’t use credit cards to live beyond their means, and felt some sort of obligation to pay their debts, we wouldn’t have this problem, would we?
Don’t you wonder how people lived before CREDIT cards??? My grandparents never had one, either set and yet they made it. Credit cards are too easy..its plastic not real. Payments are set so that you pay back forever. You can (theoretically) never pay them off. I have a savings account. I save up to get what I need. I don’t even have a car payment.! My car may be 10 years old but it is in great shape.. Linda If LIFE IS A GAME.. WHY DON’T ALL THE DOTS CONNECT???<<<< ~*~Angi~*~ @—— Dx PCOS since 1985 Infertility since 1992 Possible PKD DCI/INS-1 Study in Boston No success: Glucophage, DeltaZone, Clomid Founder of Adopt:A.S.A.P. adoptasap.com/contact.html PCOSA Head Cyster Maine Chapter pcosupport.org
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Why the hell should I protest *making* people pay their bills? If they hadn’t *used* the freaking credit cards, they would not be in the predicament they are in. Too bad, IMO. Maybe they should have stuck with the beat up furniture and skipped the vacation. How about a bill to regulate interest rates and late charges? No credit cards, no debt. What a concept.
And a good one. I do have a problem, however, with a credit industry which is very indiscriminate in its credit extension practices, which in fact issues cards regardless of the number of cards already held and the debt already accumulated, then turnign around and claiming that it must be saved from its own practices by substantially re-writing the bankruptcy laws – laws which were in place well before this blizzard of credit cards began, as I recall. Remember what it cost us the last time we bailed out lenders because of shoiddy creidt practices? Cost us billions, as I recall. J. To reply, drop "2hllnbak"
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Oh bullshit. If didn’t use credit cards to live beyond their means, and felt some sort of obligation to pay their debts, we wouldn’t have this problem, would we?
True. There are lot’s of problems that would go away if people didn’t make mistakes — we wouldn’t even have to talk about adoption if people didn’t make mistakes 
But, you can’t change reality. People do make mistakes. The only issue now is who is going to pay for the mistakes — you or the credit card companies. As it stands the credit card companies pay. But, that is about to change. If Congress passes the law — which the credit card companies have paid over $62 million to get passed — YOU will pay. So, it’s up to you. You can keep up your attitude, but you better be willing to open your wallet. Alternatively, you can do something. Shred those credit card solicitations. Send them to your senators and tell them that the credit card companies should pay for their own lending mistakes. dck
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Don’t you wonder how people lived before CREDIT cards??? My grandparents never had one, either set and yet they made it. Credit cards are too easy..its plastic not real.
That’s exactly right. What’s interesting is that in the past the credit card companies only extended credit to the top 10% of the population. However, in recent years they have discovered that they can make more money off of the less credit worthy members of our society. Indeed, the vulnerable populations maintain a balance which accrues interest. So, the credit card companies are now marketing to 90% of the population and their profits are at all time highs. If S. 625 passes their profits will go even higher. That’s why they’ve made over $62 million of campaign contributions to the politicians. Unfortunately, the law will cost taxpayers more than $337 million in direct costs and three times that in indirect costs. S. 625 is a very bad law for the taxpayers and society in general. But, that’s how we do things these days. The people with the most money get to decide what laws we will have because they people who could make a difference sit back and do nothing. dck
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Great words to live by. But, they don’t address the issue. This isn’t about whether people should use credit cards. It’s about the fairness of allowing lenders to prey on the vulnerable and then foisting the cost of their mistakes on to the rest of us. I must say, though, I’m surprised at your strident attitudes. Aren’t you guys the same ones who talk about how unfair society is because birthmothers have to give up their babies just because they have a temporary financial problem. Has it ever occurred to you that credit cards are often the means by which people (including women with unplanned pregnancies) get through a temporary financial problem. If the credit card companies have their way, those financial problems will be permanent rather than temporary. yea … now that I think about it, PAP’s everywhere should support this legislation. If bankruptcy is no longer available to birthmothers facing medical and credit card debt, then maybe they’ll have no choice but to give up their babies … dck – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – No credit cards, no debt. What a concept. My feeling exactly. I have no credit cards, don’t plan to get any!! I had enough trouble with medical bills not long ago..over 30,000 in debt due to medical alone..who needs credit cards!! Linda If LIFE IS A GAME.. WHY DON’T ALL THE DOTS CONNECT???
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writes: Great words to live by. But, they don’t address the issue. This isn’t about whether people should use credit cards. It’s about the fairness of allowing lenders to prey on the vulnerable and then foisting the cost of their mistakes on to the rest of us.
HOW exactlydo credit card companies prey ont he vulnerable? If the vulnerable DIDN’T USE CREDIT CARDS (i.e. saved their money when they want something instead of buying into instant gratification when they couldn’t afford it), it would be a moot point. I must say, though, I’m surprised at your strident attitudes. Aren’t you guys the same ones who talk about how unfair society is because birthmothers have to give up their babies just because they have a temporary financial problem. Has it ever occurred to you that credit cards are often the means by which people (including women with unplanned pregnancies) get through a temporary financial problem. If the credit card companies have their way, those financial problems will be permanent rather than temporary.
If credit cards is the only way to get through a temporary financial problem, then by rights my family and I should be dead. We have lived through very little income (quite recently in fact), and because we had no *bills* other than day to day living costs, we made it through. Come here and ask for my support on getting medical bills waived, and you will have my support. But NOT freaking Mastercard, Visa and Sears. Sorry. yea … now that I think about it, PAP’s everywhere should support this legislation. If bankruptcy is no longer available to birthmothers facing medical and credit card debt, then maybe they’ll have no choice but to give up their babies …
That is not what this bill is… according to your first post. dck
Jeannette, The Oh So Smart Birthmom Growth is the only evidence of life. -Cardinal Newman
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No credit cards, no debt. What a concept.
My feeling exactly. I have no credit cards, don’t plan to get any!! I had enough trouble with medical bills not long ago..over 30,000 in debt due to medical alone..who needs credit cards!! Linda If LIFE IS A GAME.. WHY DON’T ALL THE DOTS CONNECT???
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Unfortunately it’s not that simple. If this law is past YOU get to pay for other people’s mistakes. If the law is defeated, the credit card companies get to pay. Which do you prefer? dck Why the hell should I protest *making* people pay their bills? If they hadn’t *used* the freaking credit cards, they would not be in the predicament they are in. Too bad, IMO. Maybe they should have stuck with the beat up furniture and skipped the vacation. How about a bill to regulate interest rates and late charges? No credit cards, no debt. What a concept.
– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text -writes: We need your help! During AUGUST and SEPTEMBER MAIL shredded credit card solicitations, convenience checks, and unwanted credit cards to YOUR SENATOR in WASHINGTON D.C. Why? In September the Senate is set to vote on the S. 625 (Bankruptcy Reform Act). This law was bought and paid for by the credit card companies and it will hurt all of us. S. 625 will force financially strapped families with children out of their homes because the credit card companies will get the money that would otherwise go for the mortgage in bankruptcy. It will give people an incentive to quit their jobs because they can’t afford childcare when the credit card companies are garnishing their wages. Why should we send families directly to the welfare office just so the credit card companies can get even richer? Let
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Hi Kim I don’t know the answers to all of your questions, but I think that progesterone supplements in the second half of your cycle can improve the lining. Have you tested your CM? I know that insemination can be helpful, but my doc likes to try 3 cycles without before trying it. You didn’t mention how many Clomid cycles you had been through. Good luck and fertile thoughts! Meredyth TTC 17 months 3rd cycle Clomid cycle day 2
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I have heard that a herb called red raspberry is good for uterine lining
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Here is my question: Is it possible for both the 13 and 14mm follicles to ovulate from the same ovary? Or, does multiple ovulation come from different ovaries? Is there anything that can be done at this point to encourage both follicles to ovulate?
Yes, yes, and yes!…when you ovulate, ALL of them *should* come out. You will either have an LH surge, which will probably do the job, or your RE is making sure, with an HCG injection to be on the safe side. You’ve got your bases covered! My lining was only 3.0. I know this is very thin. Is there anything that can be done to help it along. I would hate to ovulate but fail to conceive because the environment is not good for implantation. Please advise.
Yea, it’s thin. Get yourself some evening primrose oil tablets 500mg 2x per day and see if that helps at all…My clinic likes it to be 6, minimum. You may want to ask your RE about some other supplementation to build the lining if this month isn’t the lucky one…but you still have time for it to grow. My RE has not recommended IUIs, but I would love to try an insemination. I fear that clomid may have adverse effects on my cervical fluid.
So buy a bottle of robitussin while you’re buying the evening primrose capsules, and then you may get more mucous…plain robitussin, 4x daily around the day or two before ovulation is expected… and some extra glasses of water. When are IUIs warranted? How do I convince my RE to let us give that a try? My wonderful DH is game.
Hmmmm, if you have the insurance coverage, go for it..it will eliminate the cervical mucous problem because it by-passes the cervix… — Trisha93 5+ yrs IUI,IVF, FET,twin m/c out-of-town FET on May 19th
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Hi everyone, I posted this message to alt.infertility also in hopes of more responses. I apologize in advance if that is bad NG etiquette. Well, I had my day 12 follicle scan this AM. I am on 100mg clomid days 3-7 and Metformin 1500mg for PCOS. I was excited to see 2 dominant follicles on my left ovary at 13mm and 14mm. On my right ovary, there was a smaller follicle at 11mm. It’s funny because I am "feeling" my right ovary. Here is my question: Is it possible for both the 13 and 14mm follicles to ovulate from the same ovary? Or, does multiple ovulation come from different ovaries? Is there anything that can be done at this point to encourage both follicles to ovulate? Doc said follicles will ovulate when they reach 22-26mm and they grow about 2mm/day. If I do not detect an LH surge I go back Monday for another scan and possible HCG injection. My lining was only 3.0. I know this is very thin. Is there anything that can be done to help it along. I would hate to ovulate but fail to conceive because the environment is not good for implantation. Please advise. My RE has not recommended IUIs, but I would love to try an insemination. I fear that clomid may have adverse effects on my cervical fluid. When are IUIs warranted? How do I convince my RE to let us give that a try? My wonderful DH is game. Please know that while I don’t post often, I read this NG often and have learned so very much from all of you. I would greatly appreciate any answers to any/all of these questions. Thanks and positive thoughts for all, Kim
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They used to tell me to keep it short when I spoke at meetings. I told them I had. Sue NZ (5′ 1/2")
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When I grow up I’m going to be 5′ 7". Thats my goal. At 32 I just wonder when I’m going to be a gown-up. What if I never achieve my goal???? Leslie 5′ 3" and 3/4" (I tell people I’m 5′ 4" and wear "big" hair)
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LOL, you guys are great, thanks for the giggles —Elizabeth, 5′1"… if I stand up *really* straight <<<They used to tell me to keep it short when I spoke at meetings. I told them I had. Sue NZ (5′ 1/2")>>> <<<<When I grow up I’m going to be 5′ 7". Thats my goal. At 32 I just wonder when I’m going to be a gown-up. What if I never achieve my goal???? Leslie 5′ 3" and 3/4" (I tell people I’m 5′ 4" and wear "big" hair)>>>>
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>LOL, you guys are great, thanks for the giggles >—Elizabeth, 5′1"… if I stand up *really* straight ><<<They used to tell me to keep it short when I spoke at meetings. >I told them I had. >Sue NZ >(5′ 1/2")>>>
Here’s mine I wanted to be a stand-up comic, but I stood up and no one noticed. (I am barely 5 feet tall wearing shoes!) ^–^ Cathy {‘ . ‘} ` "Cats are smarter than dogs.You can’t get 8 cats to pull a sled through snow." [Jeff Valdez] My web page: http://www.geocities.com/Heartland/Cottage/8060/ Hope for Cysters: http://pages.ivillage.com/bh/cystercat
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<<<How true. Laughing helps. I became such a clown over the years–I even was "class clown"–I think I was trying to cheer myself up. I have been 5 feet tall since age 11. I wanted to a stand-up comic but I stood up and no one notice 
>>> LOL! I understand! Oh, and BTW I love your sig, Cathy. When you first added it, I giggled out loud! I agree with you guys that laughter is truly medicine for the soul —Elizabeth (5′1", barely) <<< "Cats are smarter than dogs.You can’t get 8 cats to pull a sled through snow." [Jeff Valdez] >>>
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>Talk to other PCOS’ers as they share in your problems. Learn to laugh at >anything you can think of. I know this sounds hard, and it is, but it works. >I >am finally depress free after 15 yrs of severe depression. I realized I am >not >alone and have many people who understand. >~*~Angi~*
Oh Angi, How true. Laughing helps. I became such a clown over the years–I even was "class clown"–I think I was trying to cheer myself up. I have been 5 feet tall since age 11. I wanted to a stand-up comic but I stood up and no one notice ^–^ Cathy {‘ . ‘} ` "Cats are smarter than dogs.You can’t get 8 cats to pull a sled through snow." [Jeff Valdez] My web page: http://www.geocities.com/Heartland/Cottage/8060/ Hope for Cysters: http://pages.ivillage.com/bh/cystercat
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For some people that have situational depression, that can help, but for the ones that have a physical component to it, such as a seratonin deficiency, all the talking and laughing in the world won’t help. I’d hate for anyone that truly needs help to think it was "their fault" for not laughing enough… Beth AdoptASAP Foundation <adopta…@aol.comToss> wrote in message
news:19990730225921.25936.00001960@ng-bj1.aol.com… – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text -> I believe the best medicine for depression is talking and lauphing. > Talk to other PCOS’ers as they share in your problems. Learn to laugh at > anything you can think of. I know this sounds hard, and it is, but it works. I > am finally depress free after 15 yrs of severe depression. I realized I am not > alone and have many people who understand. > ~*~Angi~*~ > @>–>—- > Dx PCOS since 1985 > Infertility since 1992 > Possible PKD > DCI/INS-1 Study in Boston > No success: Glucophage, DeltaZone, Clomid > Founder of Adopt:A.S.A.P. > adoptasap.com/contact.html > PCOSA Head Cyster Maine Chapter > pcosupport.org
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Michelle,I’m going to take mustard seed extract for depression.I ordered some.I used to take St.John’s Wort,but it’s not safe during preg.Robin
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I believe the best medicine for depression is talking and lauphing. Talk to other PCOS’ers as they share in your problems. Learn to laugh at anything you can think of. I know this sounds hard, and it is, but it works. I am finally depress free after 15 yrs of severe depression. I realized I am not alone and have many people who understand. ~*~Angi~*~ @>–>—- Dx PCOS since 1985 Infertility since 1992 Possible PKD DCI/INS-1 Study in Boston No success: Glucophage, DeltaZone, Clomid Founder of Adopt:A.S.A.P. adoptasap.com/contact.html PCOSA Head Cyster Maine Chapter pcosupport.org
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Tracy,I took St.John’s Wort and felt wonderful,but got off it since I’m trying to get pregnant.According to my old doctor it’s not safe then.I would suggest counseling.It makes you feel alot better.I went in my teens and we went to marriage counseling at a christian center on a sliding scale for $45 a week and my old Re sent us for infertility counseling which I didn’t want to go,but we did and didn’t like the counselor.She would lie to us.My old doctor thought I had clinical depression,but I didn’t think so.I got a book on it and didn’t have the symptoms.I can get depressed though about every 6mo.It’s something you can’t pull yourself out of.Robin
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Hi Robin, Have you tried The Bach Flower Essences for your depression. They are 100% safe also when pregnant. The Bach Flower Essences is a system of 38 Flower Essences that helps us deal with emotional imbalances, such as, depression, fear, discouragement, impatience etc. You can read about the Bach Flower Essences at http://www.bachflower.com/at_any_age try to read about the Essences called: Mustard and Sweet Chestnut. Good Luck Bettina – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text -Robin Ortiz wrote: > Tracy,I took St.John’s Wort and felt wonderful,but got off it since I’m > trying to get pregnant.According to my old doctor it’s not safe then.I > would suggest counseling.It makes you feel alot better.I went in my > teens and we went to marriage counseling at a christian center on a > sliding scale for $45 a week and my old Re sent us for infertility > counseling which I didn’t want to go,but we did and didn’t like the > counselor.She would lie to us.My old doctor thought I had clinical > depression,but I didn’t think so.I got a book on it and didn’t have the > symptoms.I can get depressed though about every 6mo.It’s something you > can’t pull yourself out of.Robin
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