Jaime this is so cool to read! I think I’ve been reading the ng and seen you post about your struggles and know you’ve had trouble staying with the program, as many of us have over the years. But you know what? You never gave up, did you?

No, I didn’t give up and  I do not plan to give up either just like I never gave up when I quit smoking and I am now 10 years smoke-free. And that is *so* commendable.

Thank you.  :-) And now after all this time you’ve added some new twists and it’s working again for you.

I am happy to say that it is. To say I’m happy to hear this is an understatement. You know, I remember reading a while back, somewhere, that one of the main characteristics found in people who lose significant amounts of weight and keep it off is that they try over and over, usually a lot of different programs. Often they’ve lost and regained, sometimes several times, before they find the right thing and something clicks for them. It doesn’t seem logical that it should be so hard, but realistically, for most of us, it is! And I think I recall you have PCOS, which adds another layer of challenge to the whole thing.

Yes I do have PCOS as well.  Several family members of mine are also hypothyroid and while I have been tested and the tests have shown I do not have it I sometimes wonder if they could have missed it due to my having certain symptoms of hypothyroidism (such as feeling cold all the time). Keep up the good work, Jaime.

Thank you very much. I have several plans in place for the next few weeks that will help my weight loss and my journey to improved health along. Jaime ****** On Neanderthin and loving it!!

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- Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – :: ::: Throw away all the high-carb food in the house, stay out of the ::: middle aisles at the store, don’t eat at restaurants, :: :: I agree with all of these, 150% ! ! ! :: :: Stocking up with foods that will automatically conserve carbs is :: critical to my success. Even if I wanted to there are a limited :: number :: of things that are really carby in the house. :: ::: get lots of exercise :: Do this if you enjoy it. At my weight and back discs exercise is :: troublesome. Maybe your back is a problem, but your weight is not a limitation, from what I know of you.

I do what exercise I enjoy. If I don’t enjoy it, it becomes a chore–something to dread or avoid. That’s key. I have little eye-hand coordination and my balance has never been great. Sports is a negative. If I enjoyed it I’ve got two friends who I know I could play tennis or racketball with regularly. Traditional exercise is just boring and gets difficult fast. Two flights of steps and I’m out of breath. When more of the weight comes off I’m hoping that will all be easier and I can try to find some kind of exercise that I can enjoy. ANd that’s the trick. Most people who exercise and keep exercising like something about what they do. If you don’t it can be a setup for failure. Right now, controlling my intake and just keeping a certain level of activity is important. Once I return to a normal workschedule I will be more active and, as always, I drop to a lower weight because of it) DiGiTAL_ViNYL (no email) 350/300/Apr-299/200 Atkins since Jan 12, 2004 OWL-60 carbs/day (CCLL=?)

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- Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – I found out the hard way that I can’t have one piece of fruit occasionally and be satisfied with it. Oranges, apples, grapefruit, and strawberries all set off cravings something fierce. I’d really like to enjoy some fruits, but I can’t right now. I’m glad you found something that works for you. Congratulations on the weight loss. Thank you.  I used to get fierce cravings for many things on Atkins but now I have not had a craving since I began Neanderthin. Fortunately I *can* eat a peice of fruit or some berries a couple times a week after a full meal and be quite satisfied with that.  My hunger has also gone way down to the point where I only get physically hungry a couple of times a day and I only think about eating when I feel my stomach actually growl. (or when I am shopping for food) A far cry from when I used to think about eating almost 24/7. I have also noticed my health seems to have improved in a few ways too since starting.

I am so happy for you!  If you don’t mind, could you please post what you would eat on a typical day?  I am interested.  Also — how long have you been on and how much weight have you lose.  Thank you! Jaime ****** On Neanderthin and loving it!!

– nimue "There was a time when I was young and gay — but straight." Max Bialystock Do not taunt happy fun ball. SNL

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I am so happy for you!  If you don’t mind, could you please post what you would eat on a typical day?

Well let’s see….. For breakfast I ate 2 softboiled eggs.  I made 4 but I was not very hungry due to having something troubling on my mind lately so I put 2 in the fridge for whenever.  I also had a cup of tea with 1 tablespoon of half and half added.  No sweetener. I drank a litre of water. I’m thinking about lunch now so I will make 2 hamburger patties and eat those like a sandwich with a thick tomato slice and some homemade mayonnaise in the middle.  If I am still hungry after that I will have a small salad consisting of boston lettuce, romaine lettuce, baby spinach (a few leaves of each…washed and torn), a couple slices mushrooms, a few cucumber slices, the rest of the tomato, a sprinkling of raw sunflower seeds and drizzled with cold pressed olive oil. Then 1 more litre of water. For dinner I am having baked chicken thighs and steamed  broccoli. A cup of sliced strawberries are for dessert drizzled with a teaspoon of raw honey. Then most likely another tea before bed. If I am quite hungry on any particular day I tend to snack on nuts (except peanuts or cashews as they are not considerred paleo) or low glycemic fruit.  I also eat sardines and tuna a few times a week. Sometimes I will have a can or two just for breakfast.  I am interested.  Also — how long have you been on and how much weight have you lose.  Thank you!

I began Atkins in December 1998 and in 10 months lost 45 pounds. I was 374 pounds when I began that.  Then around Thanksgiving 2000 I fell off Atkins and was on and off for 2001, 2002 and 2003.  Luckily I never regained that weight and am holding at 328.  Recently I started Neanderthin and have lost 2 pant sizes (from 5x to 3x).   The scale hasn’t seemed to budge but my clothes feel loser and I feel a lot better and have no cravings to throw me offtrack.  I am also walking a lot better, the edema in my legs and feet has gone done significantly and my physical endurance seems to be getting better.  My skin has also cleared up in a big way and I can walk at a higher speed on the treadmills at the Y then when I began. HTH Jaime ****** On Neanderthin and loving it!!

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I began Atkins in December 1998 and in 10 months lost 45 pounds. I was 374 pounds when I began that.  Then around Thanksgiving 2000 I fell off Atkins and was on and off for 2001, 2002 and 2003.  Luckily I never regained that weight and am holding at 328.  Recently I started Neanderthin and have lost 2 pant sizes (from 5x to 3x).   The scale hasn’t seemed to budge but my clothes feel loser and I feel a lot better and have no cravings to throw me offtrack.  I am also walking a lot better, the edema in my legs and feet has gone done significantly and my physical endurance seems to be getting better.  My skin has also cleared up in a big way and I can walk at a higher speed on the treadmills at the Y then when I began.

Jaime this is so cool to read! I think I’ve been reading the ng and seen you post about your struggles and know you’ve had trouble staying with the program, as many of us have over the years. But you know what? You never gave up, did you? And that is *so* commendable. And now after all this time you’ve added some new twists and it’s working again for you. To say I’m happy to hear this is an understatement. You know, I remember reading a while back, somewhere, that one of the main characteristics found in people who lose significant amounts of weight and keep it off is that they try over and over, usually a lot of different programs. Often they’ve lost and regained, sometimes several times, before they find the right thing and something clicks for them. It doesn’t seem logical that it should be so hard, but realistically, for most of us, it is! And I think I recall you have PCOS, which adds another layer of challenge to the whole thing. Keep up the good work, Jaime. HG

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:: Throw away the junk, don’t buy more, plan your meals, fill up your :: fridge with allowable snacks and get up in the morning and fix :: yourself some eggs. Go from there. In the beginning, I made the mistake of buying the junk carb foods. It took me a time to realize, most of them are just not good to eat while low carbing. Takes willpower to throw them out, then not buy them anymore. After you do that, throw them out.. Then just buy wholesome foods, healthy wholesome snacks. Veggies, meat and cheese roll ups, tuna, boiled eggs, yogurt, etc.

IMO, throwing away all the stuff that’s been opened is a good idea, but the non-perishables would be a good idea to donate to a food bank.  Lots of people in any given area simply don’t have the means to get fat. Crafting Mom — The post you just read, unless otherwise noted, is strictly my opinion and experience.  Please interpret accordingly.

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That attitude is exactly why you’re fat. — You take stupid to a new level.

– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text –  tell everyone you know to call you a whiny fat loser for the rest of your life if you fall off the diet. yeah, just like a teen aged anorexic.  do you buy pants two sizes too small too? sorry, but that’s really not a healthy suggestion for most folks. -kelly

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– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text -Hello Everyone, Well, my husband and I were doing just GREAT on Atkins, starting in late August ‘03. I lost 27 pounds and he lost 25. Then came…Thanksgiving. Oh well, just for one day, can’t hurt, right? Well, same old song, different pie. Since the holidays, we are having A REALLY HARD TIME getting back on Atkins! We’ll do okay for a few days, and then one or the other or both of us will fall off. My husband especially is going through a LOT of stress at work, and he says eating de-stresses, comforts, etc. You understand. Does anyone have any suggestions? The thing is, we both really WANT to get back on it. My husband is also a diabetic and his numbers were near normal on Atkins, and I stopped thinking about sugar and white flour all day. Thank you all very much for reading this post, and for anything you might want to say. princessJuly

I was having the exact same problem with Atkins for the last couple years since falling off it in a big way Thanksgiving 2000.  Recently I have switched to Neanderthin and am doing really well on it. I found I missed fruit too much to live without it while being on Induction as long as I needed to be to lose weight. On Neanderthin I can be on Induction-type levels of carbs yet have a peice of fruit once in a while with no problems and it is working out great.  I’m losing and went down 2 pant sizes. Jaime ****** On Neanderthin and loving it!!

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Give up. Neither one of you has what it takes to lose weight because you’re idiotic, fat, lazy, and weak. — You take stupid to a new level.

– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – Hello Everyone, Well, my husband and I were doing just GREAT on Atkins, starting in late August ‘03. I lost 27 pounds and he lost 25. Then came…Thanksgiving. Oh well, just for one day, can’t hurt, right? Well, same old song, different pie. Since the holidays, we are having A REALLY HARD TIME getting back on Atkins! We’ll do okay for a few days, and then one or the other or both of us will fall off. My husband especially is going through a LOT of stress at work, and he says eating de-stresses, comforts, etc. You understand. Does anyone have any suggestions? The thing is, we both really WANT to get back on it. My husband is also a diabetic and his numbers were near normal on Atkins, and I stopped thinking about sugar and white flour all day. Thank you all very much for reading this post, and for anything you might want to say. princessJuly

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I agree. I was like this too. Always wanting to lose weight. Sometimes making a half way effort at a diet. It wasn’t until I had to buy a size 22 bathing suit that it really hit me. I got back from the cruise with an absolute determination that this time it was coming off. It has been 6 1/2 months. I am down 48 pounds. That bathing suit hangs from my light fixture in the living room to this day. If I get an urge to eat off plan, a look at that bathing suit puts my mind back where it should be. I am not kidding myself anymore. This time it is for good.

– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – Getting into the right frame set is the hardest part of dieting. Personally, I think you are either ready or you’re not.  I thought about losing weight every day for years.  Oh yea, well maybe one of these days or tomorrow, next week.  Whatever got me through the day.  It wasn’t until I stood in front of that huge basket filled with Easter goodies that I knew what I had to do.  I had to say NO!  I had to get it into my head that the only person that can help me be a better me is ME!  I knew right then and there that I had to take responsibility for my own actions.  No one forced me to eat things that were bad for my body.  I did it willingly.  The moment that I truly got that concept, I started changing the way I looked at food and myself. If you truly want something badly enough then you’ll climb just about any mountain you have to.  Achieving goals along the way help you to stay focused.  Low carbing is a tool to use to help you lose weight and get physically fit.  It can’t do it all for you, there has to be the need within you to make the changes needed to obtain your goals.  It isn’t easy, but I’ve learned new things every step of the way this past year.  The most important thing that I’ve learned is that I TRULY want this for myself and I’m willing to do whatever it takes to make it happen.  So you have to give up your favorite high carb foods for a while.  It doesn’t mean you can’t ever have that piece of cake or ice cold beer again.  It’s how you put the information you gain from being on the diet in the first place to work for you.  You’ll get to where you know what you can eat that isn’t on plan, how much, etc.  And you’ll find out what the consequences are and have to deal with them.  I try to keep reminding myself that I didn’t get fat overnight and I won’t get thin and fit overnight.  Depriving yourself isn’t going to make it easier to stick on this new way of eating.  Taking the knowledge and making informed choices is the key.  It takes some effort and some days where you just want to eat as many carbs as possible just because you can! If you faulter one meal or one day or one week, just start back on plan. Seems to me that it isn’t worth the effort to lose 50 pounds just to go off plan and gain it back.  I’m eager to see what lies ahead of me in my weight loss adventure.  And I know that I’m more informed and in touch with my body than I’ve ever been.  I’m worth it and so are you.  Just set your mind. You can do it if it’s truly what you want for your future. Good luck and just do it! — Kelly 270/209/Goal Weight 140 51 3/4 Total Inches Lost – Measurements updated April 21st. April Challenge Weight: 205

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I found out the hard way that I can’t have one piece of fruit occasionally and be satisfied with it. Oranges, apples, grapefruit, and strawberries all set off cravings something fierce. I’d really like to enjoy some fruits, but I can’t right now. I’m glad you found something that works for you. Congratulations on the weight loss.

I’m off induction now, but I still am finding that i’ll never be able to go up appreciably in my carb intake for extended periods of time… I bet i’ll have the occasional splurge (birthday parties, holidays, etc), but it seems that when I go over 30 to 40 grams of carbs in a day, the cravings kick in BIG time…. to the point I sometimes cave in. Clint

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I found out the hard way that I can’t have one piece of fruit occasionally and be satisfied with it. Oranges, apples, grapefruit, and strawberries all set off cravings something fierce. I’d really like to enjoy some fruits, but I can’t right now. I’m glad you found something that works for you. Congratulations on the weight loss.

Thank you.  I used to get fierce cravings for many things on Atkins but now I have not had a craving since I began Neanderthin. Fortunately I *can* eat a peice of fruit or some berries a couple times a week after a full meal and be quite satisfied with that.  My hunger has also gone way down to the point where I only get physically hungry a couple of times a day and I only think about eating when I feel my stomach actually growl. (or when I am shopping for food) A far cry from when I used to think about eating almost 24/7. I have also noticed my health seems to have improved in a few ways too since starting. Jaime ****** On Neanderthin and loving it!!

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I found I missed fruit too much to live without it while being on Induction as long as I needed to be to lose weight. On Neanderthin I can be on Induction-type levels of carbs yet have a peice of fruit once in a while with no problems and it is working out great.  I’m losing and went down 2 pant sizes. Jaime ****** On Neanderthin and loving it!!

I found out the hard way that I can’t have one piece of fruit occasionally and be satisfied with it. Oranges, apples, grapefruit, and strawberries all set off cravings something fierce. I’d really like to enjoy some fruits, but I can’t right now. I’m glad you found something that works for you. Congratulations on the weight loss.

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:: Throw away the junk, don’t buy more, plan your meals, fill up your :: fridge with allowable snacks and get up in the morning and fix :: yourself some eggs. Go from there. Cool out on the snacks.

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::: get lots of exercise :: Do this if you enjoy it. At my weight and back discs exercise is :: troublesome. Maybe your back is a problem, but your weight is not a limitation, from what I know of you.

I wish I could exercise, I used to be very athletic. I know I will not ever be what I used to be. After taking care of the spinal problems I am experiencing right now, I will go through physical therapy. I am keeping a vision, that once I get this all fixed up the best I can, recuperate, do the PT, I may feel better than I have felt in a very long time. Then I can exercise. So, you keep the hope, a vision. If I have the willpower to stick to the Atkins plan, I have the will power to get healthy exercise wise. I continue to lose weight, even without exercising. Life has gotton so much better.

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:: Throw away the junk, don’t buy more, plan your meals, fill up your :: fridge with allowable snacks and get up in the morning and fix :: yourself some eggs. Go from there.

In the beginning, I made the mistake of buying the junk carb foods. It took me a time to realize, most of them are just not good to eat while low carbing. Takes willpower to throw them out, then not buy them anymore. After you do that, throw them out.. Then just buy wholesome foods, healthy wholesome snacks. Veggies, meat and cheese roll ups, tuna, boiled eggs, yogurt, etc.  

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Hey, I’m just stating what’s working for me. I’ve always prided myself on being a man of my word. Even my ex-wife, who hates me more than Satan himself, has never doubted me. Putting my reputation on the line is an added incentive to reach my goal. BTW, I’ve already bought clothes three sizes smaller than I am. Keep checking the newsgroup, I’ll let you know when I’m wearing them. Failure is not an option. — Vic – (CGV) -Doing 1500 calories and under 20 carbs a day. 258/226/180 Since 3/24/04 – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text –

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Hey, I’m just stating what’s working for me. I’ve always prided myself on being a man of my word. Even my ex-wife, who hates me more than Satan himself, has never doubted me. Putting my reputation on the line is an added incentive to reach my goal.

ok, good luck. -kelly

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:: ::: Throw away all the high-carb food in the house, stay out of the ::: middle aisles at the store, don’t eat at restaurants, :: :: I agree with all of these, 150% ! ! ! :: :: Stocking up with foods that will automatically conserve carbs is :: critical to my success. Even if I wanted to there are a limited :: number :: of things that are really carby in the house. :: ::: get lots of exercise :: Do this if you enjoy it. At my weight and back discs exercise is :: troublesome. Maybe your back is a problem, but your weight is not a limitation, from what I know of you.

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Throw away the junk, don’t buy more, plan your meals, fill up your fridge with allowable snacks and get up in the morning and fix yourself some eggs. Go from there.   What’s stopping you?  Make sure you really are ready mentally…get rid of the stuff in the house that isn’t allowed or that is a temptation to you! We can’t start it for you. You control it. We can only advise. Becky P. 199/142/135

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 tell everyone you know to call you a whiny fat loser for the rest of your life if you fall off the diet.

yeah, just like a teen aged anorexic.  do you buy pants two sizes too small too? sorry, but that’s really not a healthy suggestion for most folks. -kelly

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Throw away all the high-carb food in the house, stay out of the middle aisles at the store, don’t eat at restaurants,

I agree with all of these, 150% ! ! ! Stocking up with foods that will automatically conserve carbs is critical to my success. Even if I wanted to there are a limited number of things that are really carby in the house. get lots of exercise

Do this if you enjoy it. At my weight and back discs exercise is troublesome. FOcus on getting those cravings under control first. Eat up for the first two weeks and drown out the sweet cravings. I gave up caffeine as well and I think that helped me. Caffeine can cause insulin release. and tell everyone you know to call you a whiny fat loser for the rest of your life if you fall off the diet.

Telling people isn’t as important. In fact dealing with others on Atkins has its annoyances. I’m serious. That’s what I’ve done.  It’s amazing what potential humiliation can do for your motivation.

DiGiTAL_ViNYL (no email) 350/300/Apr-299/200 Atkins since Jan 12, 2004 OWL-60 carbs/day (CCLL=?)

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Hello Everyone, Well, my husband and I were doing just GREAT on Atkins, starting in late August ‘03. I lost 27 pounds and he lost 25. Then came…Thanksgiving. Oh well, just for one day, can’t hurt, right? Well, same old song, different pie. Since the holidays, we are having A REALLY HARD TIME getting back on Atkins! We’ll do okay for a few days, and then one or the other or both of us will fall off. My husband especially is going through a LOT of stress at work, and he says eating de-stresses, comforts, etc. You understand. Does anyone have any suggestions? The thing is, we both really WANT to get back on it. My husband is also a diabetic and his numbers were near normal on Atkins, and I stopped thinking about sugar and white flour all day. Thank you all very much for reading this post, and for anything you might want to say. princessJuly

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Throw away all the high-carb food in the house, stay out of the middle aisles at the store, don’t eat at restaurants, get lots of exercise and tell everyone you know to call you a whiny fat loser for the rest of your life if you fall off the diet. I’m serious. That’s what I’ve done.  It’s amazing what potential humiliation can do for your motivation. — Vic – (CGV) -Doing 1500 calories and under 20 carbs a day. 258/226/180 Since 3/24/04

– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – Hello Everyone, Well, my husband and I were doing just GREAT on Atkins, starting in late August ‘03. I lost 27 pounds and he lost 25. Then came…Thanksgiving. Oh well, just for one day, can’t hurt, right? Well, same old song, different pie. Since the holidays, we are having A REALLY HARD TIME getting back on Atkins! We’ll do okay for a few days, and then one or the other or both of us will fall off. My husband especially is going through a LOT of stress at work, and he says eating de-stresses, comforts, etc. You understand. Does anyone have any suggestions? The thing is, we both really WANT to get back on it. My husband is also a diabetic and his numbers were near normal on Atkins, and I stopped thinking about sugar and white flour all day. Thank you all very much for reading this post, and for anything you might want to say. princessJuly

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- Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – Hello Everyone, Well, my husband and I were doing just GREAT on Atkins, starting in late August ‘03. I lost 27 pounds and he lost 25. Then came…Thanksgiving. Oh well, just for one day, can’t hurt, right? Well, same old song, different pie. Since the holidays, we are having A REALLY HARD TIME getting back on Atkins! We’ll do okay for a few days, and then one or the other or both of us will fall off. My husband especially is going through a LOT of stress at work, and he says eating de-stresses, comforts, etc. You understand. Does anyone have any suggestions? The thing is, we both really WANT to get back on it. My husband is also a diabetic and his numbers were near normal on Atkins, and I stopped thinking about sugar and white flour all day. Thank you all very much for reading this post, and for anything you might want to say. princessJuly

Getting into the right frame set is the hardest part of dieting. Personally, I think you are either ready or you’re not.  I thought about losing weight every day for years.  Oh yea, well maybe one of these days or tomorrow, next week.  Whatever got me through the day.  It wasn’t until I stood in front of that huge basket filled with Easter goodies that I knew what I had to do.  I had to say NO!  I had to get it into my head that the only person that can help me be a better me is ME!  I knew right then and there that I had to take responsibility for my own actions.  No one forced me to eat things that were bad for my body.  I did it willingly.  The moment that I truly got that concept, I started changing the way I looked at food and myself. If you truly want something badly enough then you’ll climb just about any mountain you have to.  Achieving goals along the way help you to stay focused.  Low carbing is a tool to use to help you lose weight and get physically fit.  It can’t do it all for you, there has to be the need within you to make the changes needed to obtain your goals.  It isn’t easy, but I’ve learned new things every step of the way this past year.  The most important thing that I’ve learned is that I TRULY want this for myself and I’m willing to do whatever it takes to make it happen.  So you have to give up your favorite high carb foods for a while.  It doesn’t mean you can’t ever have that piece of cake or ice cold beer again.  It’s how you put the information you gain from being on the diet in the first place to work for you.  You’ll get to where you know what you can eat that isn’t on plan, how much, etc.  And you’ll find out what the consequences are and have to deal with them.  I try to keep reminding myself that I didn’t get fat overnight and I won’t get thin and fit overnight.  Depriving yourself isn’t going to make it easier to stick on this new way of eating.  Taking the knowledge and making informed choices is the key.  It takes some effort and some days where you just want to eat as many carbs as possible just because you can! If you faulter one meal or one day or one week, just start back on plan. Seems to me that it isn’t worth the effort to lose 50 pounds just to go off plan and gain it back.  I’m eager to see what lies ahead of me in my weight loss adventure.  And I know that I’m more informed and in touch with my body than I’ve ever been.  I’m worth it and so are you.  Just set your mind.  You can do it if it’s truly what you want for your future. Good luck and just do it! — Kelly 270/209/Goal Weight 140 51 3/4 Total Inches Lost – Measurements updated April 21st. April Challenge Weight: 205

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Well hon, it certainly sounds like it. The best advice that I can give you is if your dr doesnt believe you, find one who will.  That being said, expect a lot of blood tests and an ultrasound.  Take pleanty of questions with you. The dr may want to put you onto medications. Again, ask pleanty of questions.  But the best test you can ask for is a blood insulin and glucose test.  Get the 2 hr test. It may be different here than America, so hopefully someone can give you a hand there.  Find a local support group and your national association for pcos. Hope that helps Shaz (33)and DH Noel(35) ttc #2 10yrs(me) ttc #1 4yrs(DH) Geelong, Victoria 100mg clomid, cd 5 -9 1500mg metformin daily http://www.FertilityFriend.com/home/1c8fc "Amy in Oregon" <drops_the_b…@yahoo.com> wrote in message news:cbaec4fe.0404202348.12595596@posting.google.com… – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text -> Hi, everyone. I’m wondering if someone can give me some advice on what > to expect at my first doctor appointment re: PCOS. > I’m 99% sure I have this. > ** I’m 31 and have been having sporadic periods since I was 13. I had > thought it was normal for a teenaged girl to have a period a year. > After I was an adult, I’d go 2-3 months without a period, then have > one that lasted weeks. It got worse after I gave birth to my son > (which was a miraculos feat on its own). I had one ‘period’ that was > heavy for 8 months (a small slice of hell). > ** I’m a good 130 pounds more than what I should be. My weight always > hovered around the 200# mark, but after my son came along 6 years ago, > it just started ballooning. I’ve dieted and stuff, but I seem to put > on a pound a week no matter what. > ** I’m sure my mom had it, too, back in her day. > ** I have had some skin tags. Thought this was fairly normal, until I > read the symptoms for PCOS. > ** Bad skin. > ** Depression (untreated). > ** I have hair growth on my face and neck. Again, I thought tweezing > was a kinda normal thing for women–after all, they sell tweezers and > cosmetic bleach in the women’s hygiene aisle in the stores, right? My > now-and-then tweezing has gone to every-day shaving. Not pretty. > ** To cap it off, about a month ago, I started losing my hair. It’s > definitely male-pattern-baldness. This is the part that pi$$es me off > the most, too! I’m a big girl with bad skin–my hair is all I have! > lol > I’m sure all/most of you can relate. My first appointment is on > Friday. My nurse practioner is really nice and I’m sure that she’ll > listen to me without brushing me off. > What I’m wondering is–what happens next? Are there tests that will > confirm the condition? Or will my doctor rely on my suspicion? > I’m also concerned that I won’t be believed–my doctor doesn’t see me > but once a year. How will she know what my hair usually looks like? My > skin is shot, but I camoflage it well. And since I shave everyday, I’m > worried that she’ll take one look at me and say, "What acne? What > hirsutism?" > Sorry this is so long. I’d love to get some feedback from folks who > have been where I am, nervous over their first doctor visit. > –Amy

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Hi, everyone. I’m wondering if someone can give me some advice on what to expect at my first doctor appointment re: PCOS. I’m 99% sure I have this. ** I’m 31 and have been having sporadic periods since I was 13. I had thought it was normal for a teenaged girl to have a period a year. After I was an adult, I’d go 2-3 months without a period, then have one that lasted weeks. It got worse after I gave birth to my son (which was a miraculos feat on its own). I had one ‘period’ that was heavy for 8 months (a small slice of hell). ** I’m a good 130 pounds more than what I should be. My weight always hovered around the 200# mark, but after my son came along 6 years ago, it just started ballooning. I’ve dieted and stuff, but I seem to put on a pound a week no matter what. ** I’m sure my mom had it, too, back in her day. ** I have had some skin tags. Thought this was fairly normal, until I read the symptoms for PCOS. ** Bad skin. ** Depression (untreated). ** I have hair growth on my face and neck. Again, I thought tweezing was a kinda normal thing for women–after all, they sell tweezers and cosmetic bleach in the women’s hygiene aisle in the stores, right? My now-and-then tweezing has gone to every-day shaving. Not pretty. ** To cap it off, about a month ago, I started losing my hair. It’s definitely male-pattern-baldness. This is the part that pi$$es me off the most, too! I’m a big girl with bad skin–my hair is all I have! lol I’m sure all/most of you can relate. My first appointment is on Friday. My nurse practioner is really nice and I’m sure that she’ll listen to me without brushing me off. What I’m wondering is–what happens next? Are there tests that will confirm the condition? Or will my doctor rely on my suspicion? I’m also concerned that I won’t be believed–my doctor doesn’t see me but once a year. How will she know what my hair usually looks like? My skin is shot, but I camoflage it well. And since I shave everyday, I’m worried that she’ll take one look at me and say, "What acne? What hirsutism?" Sorry this is so long. I’d love to get some feedback from folks who have been where I am, nervous over their first doctor visit. –Amy

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– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – ACK!  It’s highly unlikely – I have an IUD (yes, the endocrinologist told me I’m totally paraniod and don’t need 2 forms of contraception!)  lol Haven’t had any hanky-panky in ages tho, thanks to my back giving me hell for the last few weeks.  :o) Funny thing is, without the pill chances are I won’t have a period for a year though, so it couldn’t 100% rule out without a test in the short term (but it’s so unlikely with the IUD and PCOS that I’m not seriously concerned – am more concerned about the breast lump [99% sure fatty lipoma] I’m having removed under general anasthetic in about 10 days). Losing weight one lump at a time!

I would say then it is a re-balancing of your hormones– you’ve removed the outside control (the pill) and the pendulum is swinging a bit trying to find center again. revek — Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free. Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com).

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I’m not sure if it’s the metformin or something else, but for the last week off and on I’ve had a really kinda low-level nausea – nothing too drastic, not feeling miserable, just feeling slightly off-colour from time to time. Even if I’ve only had one dose of met in a day instead of two. Anyone else had this? I also stopped taking diane-35 contraceptive pill at the same time, and have got the most tender boobs I’ve ever had! blah. Bloody endocrinologist messing around with my body!

Have you ruled out the obvious?  The symptoms could be pregnancy. revek   lowcarb, the most natural ‘fertilizer’ known to man — Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free. Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com).

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"revek" wrote … – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – "Supergoof" wrote … I’m not sure if it’s the metformin or something else, but for the last week off and on I’ve had a really kinda low-level nausea – nothing too drastic, not feeling miserable, just feeling slightly off-colour from time to time. Even if I’ve only had one dose of met in a day instead of two. Anyone else had this? I also stopped taking diane-35 contraceptive pill at the same time, and have got the most tender boobs I’ve ever had! blah. Bloody endocrinologist messing around with my body! Have you ruled out the obvious?  The symptoms could be pregnancy. revek   lowcarb, the most natural ‘fertilizer’ known to man

ACK!  It’s highly unlikely – I have an IUD (yes, the endocrinologist told me I’m totally paraniod and don’t need 2 forms of contraception!)  lol  Haven’t had any hanky-panky in ages tho, thanks to my back giving me hell for the last few weeks.  :o) Funny thing is, without the pill chances are I won’t have a period for a year though, so it couldn’t 100% rule out without a test in the short term (but it’s so unlikely with the IUD and PCOS that I’m not seriously concerned – am more concerned about the breast lump [99% sure fatty lipoma] I’m having removed under general anasthetic in about 10 days). Losing weight one lump at a time! Rachel (New Zealand)

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"Marcella Missirian" wrote … If anyone has some helpful hints on how to take glucophage that you dont get all the stomach problems, I would appreciate any suggestions. Start very very slowly on a low dosage. Don’t take on an empty stomach. Increase dosage only after the stomach problems settle down from current dose. I’m up to 2000 mg a day. I started with 500 mg 6 months ago. I’ve tired several times to ramp up to 2000 way too fast and had a terrible time with it and kept quitting it as it was too painful. Also, don’t get generic metformin, specifically insist on Glucophage. I like XR better than regular but YMMV.

I’ve been on it for about 3 weeks now. Started with one 500mg tablet twice a day, and now have 2 twice most days. I learned quickly that I need to take it with food or within about 10 minutes of finishing a meal, otherwise it makes me feel awfully nauseous for hours! Hopefully that will be less as I adjust to it over time, it’s a pain not to be able to take it when I get home from a restaurant as I invariably forget to take some with me (or it’s a spur-of-the-moment meal out). I’m not sure if it’s the metformin or something else, but for the last week off and on I’ve had a really kinda low-level nausea – nothing too drastic, not feeling miserable, just feeling slightly off-colour from time to time. Even if I’ve only had one dose of met in a day instead of two. Anyone else had this? I also stopped taking diane-35 contraceptive pill at the same time, and have got the most tender boobs I’ve ever had! blah. Bloody endocrinologist messing around with my body! Rachel (New Zealand)

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I now eat 1 egg or 2 oz of cheese 15 min prior to taking Metformin, 1000 mil. in am and another 1000 pm. with meal.  began at 500 mil slowly added  till I was at 500 at evry meal, queasy tummy left after 3  or 4 mo. Good luck   . rs wrotC:DRIVE_E – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text -I have PCOS with normal blood sugar levels.  Three years ago I took glucophage for my high insulin levels and had some major bad effects. Tomorrow I will be starting glucophage again for PCOS only, my blood sugar levels are still fine. If anyone has some helpful hints on how to take glucophage that you dont get all the stomach problems, I would appreciate any suggestions. Thank you, essense

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Thanks for your response Marcella, I have tried the slowly increasing dosage, but maybe I will talk to my doctor about Glocophage. Do we even have that in Canada? Trina – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – I have PCOS with normal blood sugar levels.  Three years ago I took glucophage for my high insulin levels and had some major bad effects. Tomorrow I will be starting glucophage again for PCOS only, my blood sugar levels are still fine. If anyone has some helpful hints on how to take glucophage that you dont get all the stomach problems, I would appreciate any suggestions. Thank you, essense Start very very slowly on a low dosage. Don’t take on an empty stomach. Increase dosage only after the stomach problems settle down from current dose. I’m up to 2000 mg a day. I started with 500 mg 6 months ago. I’ve tired several times to ramp up to 2000 way too fast and had a terrible time with it and kept quitting it as it was too painful. Also, don’t get generic metformin, specifically insist on Glucophage. I like XR better than regular but YMMV. Good luck with everything. -Marcella

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I haven’t taken my met in a long time because of the side effects. I’ll be following this thread! I have PCOS with normal blood sugar levels.  Three years ago I took glucophage for my high insulin levels and had some major bad effects. Tomorrow I will be starting glucophage again for PCOS only, my blood sugar levels are still fine. If anyone has some helpful hints on how to take glucophage that you dont get all the stomach problems, I would appreciate any suggestions. Thank you, essense

Trina a.k.a milady

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I have PCOS with normal blood sugar levels.  Three years ago I took glucophage for my high insulin levels and had some major bad effects. Tomorrow I will be starting glucophage again for PCOS only, my blood sugar levels are still fine. If anyone has some helpful hints on how to take glucophage that you dont get all the stomach problems, I would appreciate any suggestions. Thank you, essense

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I have PCOS with normal blood sugar levels.  Three years ago I took glucophage for my high insulin levels and had some major bad effects. Tomorrow I will be starting glucophage again for PCOS only, my blood sugar levels are still fine. If anyone has some helpful hints on how to take glucophage that you dont get all the stomach problems, I would appreciate any suggestions. Thank you, essense

Start very very slowly on a low dosage. Don’t take on an empty stomach. Increase dosage only after the stomach problems settle down from current dose. I’m up to 2000 mg a day. I started with 500 mg 6 months ago. I’ve tired several times to ramp up to 2000 way too fast and had a terrible time with it and kept quitting it as it was too painful. Also, don’t get generic metformin, specifically insist on Glucophage. I like XR better than regular but YMMV. Good luck with everything. -Marcella

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This is a question for those who have been on diuretics and have stopped them, whether with or without a doctor’s advice. What did you experience when you did this?  I’m looking for all signs/symptoms.  My doctor and I are weaning me from my diuretic, and I want to know what to expect – something he wasn’t going to share with me. Thank you! 347/270/??? Since 8/5/02 — Nancy Howells (don’t forget to switch it, and replace the to send mail).

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| This is a question for those who have been on diuretics and have stopped | them, whether with or without a doctor’s advice. | | What did you experience when you did this?  I’m looking for all | signs/symptoms.  My doctor and I are weaning me from my diuretic, and I | want to know what to expect – something he wasn’t going to share with me. | | Thank you! | | 347/270/??? | Since 8/5/02 | | — | Nancy Howells (don’t forget to switch it, and replace the to send mail). Here’s a place to start: http://www.marvistavet.com/html/body_furosemide.html Chris B.

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I tried quitting my diuretic about a month ago, but after gaining 12 pounds in 8 days I went back to using them.  So far I have relost 10 pounds; the weight didn’t go back off like I was hoping it would.  I think that after I get closer to my goal I will try tapering off, maybe a pill every other day, or half a pill a day and see how that works out. Julia 250/180/150

This is a question for those who have been on diuretics and have stopped them, whether with or without a doctor’s advice. What did you experience when you did this?  I’m looking for all signs/symptoms.  My doctor and I are weaning me from my diuretic, and I want to know what to expect – something he wasn’t going to share with me. Thank you! 347/270/??? Since 8/5/02 — Nancy Howells (don’t forget to switch it, and replace the to send

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Nancy, Years ago I was on hydrocholorothiazide for many months after having a very bad blood pressure reaction to a birth control pill. I went off it when my blood pressure normalized. I was low carbing at the time. Nothing bad happened at all. I went on it again last fall and stopped it very suddenly so that I could switch to Diovan. Again, nothing observable happened. It probably depends on why you were having water retention what will happen when you stop the diuretic. At worst from what I’ve read elsewhere you’ll have some rebound water retention but since you are low carbing it shouldn’t be a big deal. Monitor your blood pressure if you have issues with that. P.S. Congrats on the spectacular ongoing weight loss! — Jenny 168.5/137 Low Carb 9/1998 – 8/2001 and 11/10/02 – Now http://www.geocities.com/jenny_the_bean How to calculate your need for protein * How much people really lose each month *  Water Weight Gain & Loss * The "Two Gram Cure" for Hunger Cravings * Characteristics of Successful Dieters * Indispensible Low Carb Treats * Should You Count that Low Impact Carb? * Curing Ketobreath * Exercise Starting from Zero *  NEW! Do Starch Blockers Work?

This is a question for those who have been on diuretics and have stopped them, whether with or without a doctor’s advice. What did you experience when you did this?  I’m looking for all signs/symptoms.  My doctor and I are weaning me from my diuretic, and I want to know what to expect – something he wasn’t going to share with me. Thank you! 347/270/??? Since 8/5/02 — Nancy Howells (don’t forget to switch it, and replace the to send

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My doctor and I are weaning me from my diuretic, and I want to know what to expect – something he wasn’t going to share with me.

"Weaning" is the operative word here. Diuretics should never be stopped "cold turkey" because of the effect on electrolytes and possible water retention. As your body adjusts to the GRADUAL effects of the diuretic withdrawal, you might retain some water at first, but your chemistry should level out eventually. I don’t think there are ANY dire consequences to "weaning" off the meds, as opposed to total withdrawal from the drug at one time. Fortunately you must not have a condition that requires lifelong diuretic treatment. Is the diuretic being essentially replaced by another drug, such as something for blood pressure? I went from two 40 mg furosemides a day to none with no ill effects at all. I now take one only when I experience a high degree of edema, such as after sitting all day at the computer. Connie My mind is like a steel…um, whatchamacallit.

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Fortunately you must not have a condition that requires lifelong diuretic treatment. Is the diuretic being essentially replaced by another drug, such as something for blood pressure? I went from two 40 mg furosemides a day to none with no ill effects at all. I now take one only when I experience a high degree of edema, such as after sitting all day at the computer.

No, it’s not being replaced.  I’ve lost enough weight that my blood pressure is now too low, and thus the diuretic can be removed – we think, and are going to try.  It’s maxide, so…  We’ve already cut it back by half, and I’m still dumping my bp into the toilet on a regular basis – not as much, though.  But I have had some heart palps, and was wondering if that was why.  They easily could also be anxiety – I’ve pegged the stess-o-meter this week in a big way. — Nancy Howells (don’t forget to switch it, and replace the to send mail).

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Nancy Howells wrote … This is a question for those who have been on diuretics and have stopped them, whether with or without a doctor’s advice. What did you experience when you did this?  I’m looking for all signs/symptoms.  My doctor and I are weaning me from my diuretic, and I want to know what to expect – something he wasn’t going to share with me.

I decided to stop taking spironolactone (for PCOS) during my first attempt at LC because I thought it might be hindering my weight loss. It didn’t help, later that year I gave up LC in disgust (and in 9 months gained three times as much as I’d lost while LC). During the summer my ankles and feet swelled up painfully with fluid retention (I sit at a computer all day). After a few months my T zone and scalp became incredibly oily. I restarted LC and then restarted the spiro a few months later, but have never been able to build up to the same dosage I was on before. My T zone and scalp is slightly less oily now after about 6 months on a lower dose, but still much oilier than before (I have quite long hair so really don’t like having to wash it every day, close to my scalp is oily but the ends are dry and damaged). I’m hoping as I continue on this lower dose the oiliness will continue to reduce. I can’t increase my dosage of spiro because every time I try, I get terrible lower leg cramps every evening and often in bed at night – in fact probably one night a week I don’t take my second evening dose because my legs have bad cramp as the fluid drains from my ankles and calves. I was on 100mg once or twice a day, now I’m on 25mg once or twice a day. I guess it depends why you were on diuretics and why you want to stop them. I regret stopping spiro very much. cheers Rachel (New Zealand)

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Nancy Howells wrote … basis – not as much, though.  But I have had some heart palps, and was wondering if that was why.  They easily could also be anxiety – I’ve pegged the stess-o-meter this week in a big way.

Oooh stress will do that to ya! In May last year my wonderful, laid-back boss quit to go overseas, and I got a new bitchy, whining, always-right, interfering, up-herself, 50 going on 15yo boss who changes her mind constantly and can’t seem to communicate clear instructions to save her life, resulting in much frustration and re-doing of what should be simple tasks. We are total opposites – she’s a trendy lesbian who hangs out in all the right places and wears all the right labels, I’m a conservative hetero who wears whatever fits and detests label clothing and hip crowds; she only likes rap & hip hop music, I detest same and like classic & heavy rock; she’s a semi-vegan, I’m a full-time carnivore; she’s lived in London for 3 years and thinks everything and everyone who’s lived or worked in London is totally cool and a world authority on everything, I’ve never travelled outside New Zealand and have no inclination to do so; she hates animals, I’m a dog nut … and so on. I started getting terrible heart palpitations and also IBS within weeks. Thankfully our team of two expanded to a team of three in March and the third person seems to have broken the tension somewhat (boss was on her best behaviour for the first month or two, and it seems to have become a bit of a habit). She still annoys the hell out of me, but the heart palps have mostly gone and the tummy troubles have reduced drastically (though I still get flare-ups every few weeks – definitely seem to be related to how much she’s annoying me that week!). Stress … bah, humbug! Rachel (New Zealand)

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Hi there, I had to post, seeing the questions about metformin come up.  I’ve been diagnosed for a year and have been taking Clomid as I was ttc.  This did regulate my periods but no luck conceiving. However, due to certain problems at home I now don’t want to conceive as it doesn’t seem the right time and would like to work on my symptoms instead. I’m based in the UK and we have an archaic and unintelligible system of GP’s and specialists. I’ve been referred to a gynaecologist (he precribed me the Clomid) but told me that the only way I could get metformin was to be referred to the clinical trials taking place in Oxford as metformin isn’t licensed for treating PCOS in this country. I wanted to make another appointment to see the gynae but he has a 4 month waiting list between appts. which means that I can’t manage my symptoms properly – I don’t want a situation where I react badly to something but can’t see anyone for months – I’d rather manage this with my GP.  Is there anyone who’s been prescribed metformin in the UK? I’m wondering if I can get round the licensing issues by asking my GP to prescribe it for insulin resistance (which I assume I have due to symptoms but want to check with blood test). Has anyone any advice on how I can get this drug prescribed? After reading up on the subject, I’d far rather something that addresses the insulin issue than get given a prescription for Dianette (again!) that masks the symptoms and which I appear to be building up a tolerance to? At the end of my tether so if anyone can help me, I’d be incredibly grateful!

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"Malaika" <woo…@nospam.co.uk> wrote in message

news:bjid6v$vuj$1@newsg4.svr.pol.co.uk… – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text -> Hi there, > I had to post, seeing the questions about metformin come up.  I’ve been > diagnosed for a year and have been taking Clomid as I was ttc.  This did > regulate my periods but no luck conceiving. However, due to certain problems > at home I now don’t want to conceive as it doesn’t seem the right time and > would like to work on my symptoms instead. > I’m based in the UK and we have an archaic and unintelligible system of GP’s > and specialists. I’ve been referred to a gynaecologist (he precribed me the > Clomid) but told me that the only way I could get metformin was to be > referred to the clinical trials taking place in Oxford as metformin isn’t > licensed for treating PCOS in this country. > I wanted to make another appointment to see the gynae but he has a 4 month > waiting list between appts. which means that I can’t manage my symptoms > properly – I don’t want a situation where I react badly to something but > can’t see anyone for months – I’d rather manage this with my GP.  Is there > anyone who’s been prescribed metformin in the UK? I’m wondering if I can get > round the licensing issues by asking my GP to prescribe it for insulin > resistance (which I assume I have due to symptoms but want to check with > blood test). > Has anyone any advice on how I can get this drug prescribed? After reading > up on the subject, I’d far rather something that addresses the insulin issue > than get given a prescription for Dianette (again!) that masks the symptoms > and which I appear to be building up a tolerance to? > At the end of my tether so if anyone can help me, I’d be incredibly > grateful!

How rude of me!  I’m Angela btw, and it’s really nice to hear from other people who treat this situation seriously.  My symptoms seem to be worsening at the moment and I try explaining to people how mortifying it is having the complexion of a 16 year old with the hair and figure of a 60 year old but the best response I get is "lots of women have hair and spots – you need to learn to live with it!" What fun!

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Hiya Angela, Im in the UK too, And finally after arming myself with all the info I needed from this newsgroup (Thanks to all) I made an appointment to see my doctor and she perscribed me with Metformin no questions asked. Just be slightly forceful. Worked wonders for me, Just still trying to lose some weight now lost 7lbs last week and gained it this week LOL. Still I try not to let it get me down. Hope it goes well and keep us posted. Trudie "Malaika" <woo…@nospam.co.uk> wrote in message

news:bjid6v$vuj$1@newsg4.svr.pol.co.uk… – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text -> Hi there, > I had to post, seeing the questions about metformin come up.  I’ve been > diagnosed for a year and have been taking Clomid as I was ttc.  This did > regulate my periods but no luck conceiving. However, due to certain problems > at home I now don’t want to conceive as it doesn’t seem the right time and > would like to work on my symptoms instead. > I’m based in the UK and we have an archaic and unintelligible system of GP’s > and specialists. I’ve been referred to a gynaecologist (he precribed me the > Clomid) but told me that the only way I could get metformin was to be > referred to the clinical trials taking place in Oxford as metformin isn’t > licensed for treating PCOS in this country. > I wanted to make another appointment to see the gynae but he has a 4 month > waiting list between appts. which means that I can’t manage my symptoms > properly – I don’t want a situation where I react badly to something but > can’t see anyone for months – I’d rather manage this with my GP.  Is there > anyone who’s been prescribed metformin in the UK? I’m wondering if I can get > round the licensing issues by asking my GP to prescribe it for insulin > resistance (which I assume I have due to symptoms but want to check with > blood test). > Has anyone any advice on how I can get this drug prescribed? After reading > up on the subject, I’d far rather something that addresses the insulin issue > than get given a prescription for Dianette (again!) that masks the symptoms > and which I appear to be building up a tolerance to? > At the end of my tether so if anyone can help me, I’d be incredibly > grateful!

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- Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – I also have a sluggish thyroid, also a family trait.  However, my doctor is great.  In his own words, "Well, you have all the symptoms, but your results are still in normal range.  I don’t believe in waiting for something to be completely broke before we try to correct it."  So he started me on 1 grain of Armour thyroid.  (I know, every time I take the pill I sing "Hot dogs, Armour hot dogs, the dogs kids love to bite")  Just the way my brain works. That said, he also suggested L-tyrosine (available at Whole Foods and GNC) as a supplement before he prescribed the thyroid meds.  Hope this helps. Good Luck! Heather (in OZ)  Okay, Kansas, but that’s Oz right? No…OZ is the place where you KNOW you’re not in Kansas anymore! How long have you been taking the L-tyrosine and how many grams per day? Jan

Honestly Jan, I haven’t been taking the L-tyrosine consistently. Reason being is because of the Armour thyroid prescription.  I would probably feel better if I did, however, wanted to see if the prescription worked by itself.  You know, wanting to see WHAT was working instead of doing everything at once.  (If that makes sense). I think the doc is going to up the dosage on the prescription because I’m not seeing results from only 1 grain, I’ve been on the same dose since Thanksgiving.    My mother takes 4 grains, the same as my maternal grandmother.  So, I guess we’ll see.

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Those are more indicative of hyPERthyroid than hypo…. strange.

I was thinking the same thing, when I was diagnosed with Graves disease (hyper) My eyes were buldging as well as my throat had a huge lump in it…also I could not stay awake longer than an hour at a time..it was pretty scarey, the dr. explained it as my body was acting as if it was running a full speed marathon 24-7 even while I slept, I had to eat just to try to STOP myself from losing weight,..it was a very scarey experience when we didn’t know what was happening and my parents swore I was on drugs Jessica Doing this for my 3 beautiful boys…. <3Nicholas <3Curtis <3Apostle http://hometown.aol.com/blukoolaid75/myhomepage/profile.html

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Thyroidium is a homeopathic "remedy", meaning that a few grains of sheep thyroid is diluted in a bathtub full’s worth of water or capsule filler.  caveate emptor. —

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Newsgroups: alt.support.diet.low-carb I have been told by some medical professionals that the shape of my eyes can indicate throid problems, they kind of bulge out, a bit like a frog.  Not a really attractive quality, but again, hereditary. I’ve read that bluging eyes are also a sign of over-active thyroid. In fact, that’s one of the things I have to watch for to make sure I’m not taking too much thyroid medication.

yup– "exophthalmos" as it’s called is generally associated with hyperthyroid as in graves’ disease. Anyway, I’m suprised they say you are low-normal and won’t treat you what with all the symptoms you are showing.  Your symptoms seem much much stronger than mine! There’s several different types of thyroid problems that can be grouped together under the "sluggish thyroid" header.  In one of them, your body starts producing antibodies that attack your own thyroid.  I forgot the name of this syndrome but it’s a Japansese name beginning with a "T."  A friend of mine had to have surgery

hashimoto’s thyroiditis. for this.  And then there’s Wilson’s syndome, which might be the variant of hypothyroidism that I’m suffering from (I plan to talk to my doctor about this the next time I see her…the treatment I’m getting now will work for it, but there’s a more targetted treatment that I’d be interested to try if she thinks that Wilson’s is really my problem).

not having heard about wilson’s, i googled it and found that its validity as a disease is controversial, and there are a lot of alternative/homeopathic types of treatments on the internet. have you read this statement by the american thyroid association? http://www.thyroid.org/publications/statements/99_11_16_wilsons.html so i guess i’m just saying that your doctor probably won’t call your problem wilson’s syndrome. that’s not to say, however, that certain treatments shouldn’t be tried or won’t be successful. i hope it works out for you.

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I have been told by some medical professionals that the shape of my eyes can indicate throid problems, they kind of bulge out, a bit like a frog.  Not a really attractive quality, but again, hereditary.

I’ve read that bluging eyes are also a sign of over-active thyroid. In fact, that’s one of the things I have to watch for to make sure I’m not taking too much thyroid medication. Anyway, I’m suprised they say you are low-normal and won’t treat you what with all the symptoms you are showing.  Your symptoms seem much much stronger than mine! There’s several different types of thyroid problems that can be grouped together under the "sluggish thyroid" header.  In one of them, your body starts producing antibodies that attack your own thyroid.  I forgot the name of this syndrome but it’s a Japansese name beginning with a "T."  A friend of mine had to have surgery for this.  And then there’s Wilson’s syndome, which might be the variant of hypothyroidism that I’m suffering from (I plan to talk to my doctor about this the next time I see her…the treatment I’m getting now will work for it, but there’s a more targetted treatment that I’d be interested to try if she thinks that Wilson’s is really my problem). Laura

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My doctor has had me on "Cytomel" now for about 2 months…I can see and feel the difference, it helps with my lack of thyroid causing much sluggishness and also weight coming off slowly…it has started coming off again…might want to check that out with your Dr. Jessica Doing this for my 3 beautiful boys…. <3Nicholas <3Curtis <3Apostle http://hometown.aol.com/blukoolaid75/myhomepage/profile.html

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– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text -What do you mean by "symptoms, shape of eyes, early grey hair, feel the :: cold, stubborn weight, no periods at all … also PCOS. " I have been told by some medical professionals that the shape of my eyes can indicate throid problems, they kind of bulge out, a bit like a frog.  Not a really attractive quality, but again, hereditary. I have hair that is turning white, on my head and body.  I am only 35. Again that can be a symptom. This has been happening since I was in my mid twenties. I am cold sensitive…I don’t mind feeling cold, but I really feel it in my fingers and toes…. I don’t know if my thyroid is responsible for irregular periods as I have Poly Cystic Ovaries Syndrome. So who knows which came first… Does this make it clearer for you?

Those are more indicative of hyPERthyroid than hypo…. strange.

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I have a slow thyroid gland, a family trait. According to the medical professionals it is functioning at the lower end of normal and does not require medication. However, I was wondering if anyone in here knows of any herbal supplements or homeopathic treatments that can increase thyroid function? I would be pleased to receive advice on this, thanks. Kosmos in Oz

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I have a slow thyroid gland, a family trait. According to the medical professionals it is functioning at the lower end of normal and does not require medication. However, I was wondering if anyone in here knows of any herbal supplements or homeopathic treatments that can increase thyroid function? I would be pleased to receive advice on this, thanks. Kosmos in Oz

Just want to say thanks to you all for your replies and information. Will be going to hang round a few trusted health food shops this pay… Hopefully we will see some results in my weight figures.. and maybe I can just get my body functioning properly for a change. Kosmos in Oz 114kg/107.5kg/70ish kg Atkins (again) since 03 Feb 2003 A smile shared is a treasure !!

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:: :: I have most of the symptoms, shape of eyes, early grey hair, feel the :: cold, stubborn weight, no periods at all … also PCOS.  You name it, :: I have it LOL. :: What do you mean by "symptoms, shape of eyes, early grey hair, feel the :: cold, stubborn weight, no periods at all … also PCOS. "

I have been told by some medical professionals that the shape of my eyes can indicate throid problems, they kind of bulge out, a bit like a frog.  Not a really attractive quality, but again, hereditary. I have hair that is turning white, on my head and body.  I am only 35. Again that can be a symptom. This has been happening since I was in my mid twenties. I am cold sensitive…I don’t mind feeling cold, but I really feel it in my fingers and toes…. I don’t know if my thyroid is responsible for irregular periods as I have Poly Cystic Ovaries Syndrome. So who knows which came first… Does this make it clearer for you? Kosmos in Oz 114kg/107.5kg/70ish kg Atkins (again) since 03 Feb 2003 A smile shared is a treasure !!

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good luck Thanks, I work in celsius too, as an Aussie…

ahhh cool I have had more damn blood & endocrine tests than I have had carbs in my life …. or so it seems.

me too. Unfortunately you dont have to give up. Arm yourself with research and take it to your doc. I have most of the symptoms, shape of eyes, early grey hair, feel the cold, stubborn weight, no periods at all … also PCOS.  You name it, I have it LOL. Cannot get a doc to acknowledge that the symptoms are there to treat!!!

Otherwise, see an endocrinologist – might not agree but if you arm yourself with the knowledge they cant refute what you say.

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- Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – I also have a sluggish thyroid, also a family trait.  However, my doctor is great.  In his own words, "Well, you have all the symptoms, but your results are still in normal range.  I don’t believe in waiting for something to be completely broke before we try to correct it."  So he started me on 1 grain of Armour thyroid.  (I know, every time I take the pill I sing "Hot dogs, Armour hot dogs, the dogs kids love to bite")  Just the way my brain works. That said, he also suggested L-tyrosine (available at Whole Foods and GNC) as a supplement before he prescribed the thyroid meds.  Hope this helps. Good Luck! Heather (in OZ)  Okay, Kansas, but that’s Oz right?

No…OZ is the place where you KNOW you’re not in Kansas anymore! How long have you been taking the L-tyrosine and how many grams per day? Jan

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Hi Heather and Kosmos, I, too am in the low range of normal.  I’m lucky in that my doctor has the same attitude as Heather’s.  I’ve been on 3/4 grain of Armour since November, and it’s changed my life.  I’m no longer freezing cold all the time, I wake and and fall asleep better, and my weight has stablized (I was gaining continuously for a while, despite diet and exercise).  I’ve actually lost about 10 pounds in the past two months, too, but I think that’s mostly related to eliminating foods that make me bloat from my diet (soy, dairy, wheat).  Anyway, the best part of it all is that I no longer feel physically and mentally depressed and drained and empty.  I feel normal, like I did 10 years ago. I also take 2 500mg capsules of L-tyrosine when I wake up in the morning.  I don’t do it all year round, just mostly in the winter months when I’m suffering from the affects of SAD.  That helped my energy levels a lot, too. Good for you, Heather, for getting the kind of treatment you need.  And good luck to you, Kosmos, in getting what you need too! Laura – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – I have a slow thyroid gland, a family trait. According to the medical professionals it is functioning at the lower end of normal and does not require medication. However, I was wondering if anyone in here knows of any herbal supplements or homeopathic treatments that can increase thyroid function? I would be pleased to receive advice on this, thanks. Kosmos in Oz Kosmos, I also have a sluggish thyroid, also a family trait.  However, my doctor is great.  In his own words, "Well, you have all the symptoms, but your results are still in normal range.  I don’t believe in waiting for something to be completely broke before we try to correct it."  So he started me on 1 grain of Armour thyroid.  (I know, every time I take the pill I sing "Hot dogs, Armour hot dogs, the dogs kids love to bite")  Just the way my brain works. That said, he also suggested L-tyrosine (available at Whole Foods and GNC) as a supplement before he prescribed the thyroid meds.  Hope this helps. Good Luck! Heather (in OZ)  Okay, Kansas, but that’s Oz right?

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Iodine increases thyroid function… the best source of this is kelp, which can be bought in tablet or capsule form from your chemist/healthfood/drug store. You could also ask advice at the store itself, who would likely have literature available on various remedies.

Kelp is a supplement scam.  If you use normal iodized table salt, you already have the iodine that you need.  It prevents goiter (enlarged thyroid). —                 "There’s a seeker born every minute."

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Hi.. Thyroidium is found at the health food store.I belive it is made from animal thyroid..I am assuming you are not a vegan!!!!!..It takes a while to get your weight.. moving again…About a month…

Thyroidium is a homeopathic "remedy", meaning that a few grains of sheep thyroid is diluted in a bathtub full’s worth of water or capsule filler.  caveate emptor. —                 "There’s a seeker born every minute."

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I have a slow thyroid gland, a family trait. According to the medical professionals it is functioning at the lower end of normal and does not require medication. However, I was wondering if anyone in here knows of any herbal supplements or homeopathic treatments that can increase thyroid function? I would be pleased to receive advice on this, thanks. Kosmos in Oz

Kosmos, I also have a sluggish thyroid, also a family trait.  However, my doctor is great.  In his own words, "Well, you have all the symptoms, but your results are still in normal range.  I don’t believe in waiting for something to be completely broke before we try to correct it."  So he started me on 1 grain of Armour thyroid.  (I know, every time I take the pill I sing "Hot dogs, Armour hot dogs, the dogs kids love to bite")  Just the way my brain works. That said, he also suggested L-tyrosine (available at Whole Foods and GNC) as a supplement before he prescribed the thyroid meds.  Hope this helps. Good Luck! Heather (in OZ)  Okay, Kansas, but that’s Oz right?

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Just a thought.  Try capsaicin (hot peppers).

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This one’s simple. L-Tyrosine. Available at WalMart or your grocery store or GNC or wherever. Standard dose is 500 mg. I take 2 g per day, at least.

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Hi.. Thyroidium is found at the health food store.I belive it is made from animal thyroid..I am assuming you are not a vegan!!!!!..It takes a while to get your weight.. moving again…About a month… I am going today for a full thyroid panel… I am hoping that it is a terrible low functioning gland…We can’t figure out why no real weight loss is a problem here!! Hubby is melting away!!!! Good luck to you!! Dayna

Thank you for the advice. Not a vegan, … not on Atkins when there is BACON out there… LOL have printed the message to take to health food store. I am in Australia, so I hope they have heard of that stuff here Hope all goes well with your test. Kosmos in Oz 114kg/108kg/70ish kg Atkins (again) since 03 Feb 2003 A smile shared is a treasure !!

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Hi… Check out the vitaminshoppe.com That was where I purchased it last!!! Keep me posted! Dayna

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I have a slow thyroid gland, a family trait. According to the medical professionals it is functioning at the lower end of normal and does not require medication. However, I was wondering if anyone in here knows of any herbal supplements or homeopathic treatments that can increase thyroid function? I would be pleased to receive advice on this, thanks. Kosmos in Oz

Iodine increases thyroid function… the best source of this is kelp, which can be bought in tablet or capsule form from your chemist/healthfood/drug store. You could also ask advice at the store itself, who would likely have literature available on various remedies.

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I too would be interested in any advice. Mahr — Stick together.  Life is a group outing.

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I have a slow thyroid gland, a family trait. According to the medical professionals it is functioning at the lower end of normal and does not require medication. However, I was wondering if anyone in here knows of any herbal supplements or homeopathic treatments that can increase thyroid function? I would be pleased to receive advice on this, thanks.

you may still benefit from T4 treatment. My thyroxin levels were on the lower side if normal, but I was also symptomatic – feeling the cold, irregular cycles amongst other things. I did a basal body temperature test, which involves taking your temp 3 times a day. If its more than 1 degree celsius below 37 (I dont know farenheit so forgive me heh) on a fairly constant basis, you may still have a thyrois problem. The challenge is getting your doc to acknowledge the basal body temp as a good indicator of thyroid problems! good luck

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Hi.. Thyroidium is found at the health food store.I belive it is made from animal thyroid..I am assuming you are not a vegan!!!!!..It takes a while to get your weight.. moving again…About a month… I am going today for a full thyroid panel… I am hoping that it is a terrible low functioning gland…We can’t figure out why no real weight loss is a problem here!! Hubby is melting away!!!! Good luck to you!! Dayna

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- Hide quoted text — Show quoted text -I have a slow thyroid gland, a family trait. you may still benefit from T4 treatment. My thyroxin levels were on the lower side if normal, but I was also symptomatic – feeling the cold, irregular cycles amongst other things. I did a basal body temperature test, which involves taking your temp 3 times a day. If its more than 1 degree celsius below 37 (I dont know farenheit so forgive me heh) on a fairly constant basis, you may still have a thyrois problem. The challenge is getting your doc to acknowledge the basal body temp as a good indicator of thyroid problems! good luck

Thanks, I work in celsius too, as an Aussie… I have had more damn blood & endocrine tests than I have had carbs in my life …. or so it seems. I have most of the symptoms, shape of eyes, early grey hair, feel the cold, stubborn weight, no periods at all … also PCOS.  You name it, I have it LOL. Cannot get a doc to acknowledge that the symptoms are there to treat!!! Must find thermometer, and NEW GP! thanks for the advice! Kosmos in Oz 114kg/108kg/70ish kg Atkins (again) since 03 Feb 2003 A smile shared is a treasure !!

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My question is has anyone else doing this way of eating skipped periods?  I have been going on and off atkins over the past year and was doing really well in February had total PMS and then nothing.

Mine have been early. I also did not lose my PMS weight.  Just kind of sat there.  The doc told me it was probably stress. (After 8 negative pregnancy tests. OK so I’m a little paranoid.) Well,  I started eating carbs again had my period in March right on schedule, have been off carbs in April and now I am back at terrible PMS and then nothing.  Any ideas??

I have found that I am a lot more depressed when my TOM comes around. Also, are any of you still having PMS water retention even while being in Ketosis?

I usually gain 5# during PMS and lose more than that the week of my TOM. Oh by the way I am 5′8"  30 years old and have 100 lbs to lose.

Are you eating enough calories?  I’ve heard that people who are anorexic or starving lose their periods.  This diet it so de-appetizing that I often have to force myself to eat.  I’ve heard you should eat 10-12 x your body weight in calories on this diet. Thanks for you help.

– Kathy 280/255/150 1/1/99

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 I don’t feel stressed. No change in sleep or exercise.  I am cold allllll the time which is unusual. I have had the every three week period while doing low carb before and then this.

You may want to go to the doctor to have some blood work done — I’m not sure, but I *think* when I was having period fluctuations (huge spotting and irregularity), one of the possibilities was a thyroid problem, and since you’re also cold all the time it might be something with that.

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I *think* when I was having period fluctuations (huge spotting and irregularity), one of the possibilities was a thyroid problem,

yes, hypothyroidism can often cause extremely heavy or more frequent periods. Before I was diagnosed I was having to change a super tampon every 1-2 hours. Months later, I am still anemic. Get to the doctor, Eliserory! Check out   http://www.the-thyroid-society.org/faq/ for more info. Regina

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Even good stress is stress — have you changed jobs? moved? graduated?

Moved from Chicago to podunk Washington state, started staying home full time with my 3 boys, lived in the marriott, corporate housing, apartment, while waiting for new house to be built, BUT this was all in the last year and I can honestly say this is the least stressful my life has been in the past 13 years.  I don’t feel stressed. No change in sleep or exercise.  I am cold allllll the time which is unusual. I have had the every three week period while doing low carb before and then this.

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Sounds like a visit to an endocrinologist (or at least your physician) is in order, your symptoms sound to *me* like hormones gone awry, possibly thyroid, possibly ovarian, maybe adrenals, they all work together… e.g., ’simple’ PCOS is essentially a (long-term) byproduct of insulin resistance and/or hyperinsulemia, CAH (to do with adrenals) has similar symptoms to PCOS, where the hormones get ‘deranged’ (sorry, that’s the medical term) affecting other hormone production and balances, constant feelings of fatigue and cold are often hypothyroid related and can also affect your reproductive hormones… not trying to scare you, but that’s what I would do if’n I was in your shoes…  Hope you get the answer soon! Even good stress is stress — have you changed jobs? moved? graduated? Moved from Chicago to podunk Washington state, started staying home full time with my 3 boys, lived in the marriott, corporate housing, apartment, while waiting for new house to be built, BUT this was all in the last year and I can honestly say this is the least stressful my life has been in the past 13 years.  I don’t feel stressed. No change in sleep or exercise.  I am cold allllll the time which is unusual. I have had the every three week period while doing low carb before and then this.

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Hi everyone, delurking again.  First I want to say thanks to everyone for all the support you give in this group.  Everytime I want to carb splurge I read instead and can stick with it for one more day. My question is has anyone else doing this way of eating skipped periods?  I have been going on and off atkins over the past year and was doing really well in February had total PMS and then nothing.  I also did not lose my PMS weight.  Just kind of sat there.  The doc told me it was probably stress. (After 8 negative pregnancy tests. OK so I’m a little paranoid.) Well,  I started eating carbs again had my period in March right on schedule, have been off carbs in April and now I am back at terrible PMS and then nothing.  Any ideas?? Also, are any of you still having PMS water retention even while being in Ketosis? Oh by the way I am 5′8"  30 years old and have 100 lbs to lose. Thanks for you help.

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- Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – Hi everyone, delurking again.  First I want to say thanks to everyone for all the support you give in this group.  Everytime I want to carb splurge I read instead and can stick with it for one more day. My question is has anyone else doing this way of eating skipped periods?  I have been going on and off atkins over the past year and was doing really well in February had total PMS and then nothing.  I also did not lose my PMS weight.  Just kind of sat there.  The doc told me it was probably stress. (After 8 negative pregnancy tests. OK so I’m a little paranoid.) Well,  I started eating carbs again had my period in March right on schedule, have been off carbs in April and now I am back at terrible PMS and then nothing.  Any ideas?? Also, are any of you still having PMS water retention even while being in Ketosis? Oh by the way I am 5′8"  30 years old and have 100 lbs to lose. Thanks for you help.

I know a lot of us have exchanged war stories about *extra* bleeding and heavier than normal periods, so the skipped ones sound a little different.  I know the one time I skipped periods (two skipped — three months without bleeding!!!) was the summer I was working about 70 hours per week, got evicted (the landlord wanted to live in my flat) and quit my job *and* lost my new apartment (the roommates lost the lease before I moved in even!), and got involved in a civil case against the Regents of the U.  It was the official Summer of Hell, but the pregnancy tests all came out negative. It’s also odd that you’ve done this WOE before and not had this symptom until now.  Have you changed your exercise levels a lot? Sleep changes? Added any new meds?  Even good stress is stress — have you changed jobs? moved? graduated?

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For years, I’ve noticed that I get ravenously hungry right before the start of my period. When I was in diet-obsessive mode, I used to just starve myself through it. As I started to de-escalate the war with my body, I let myself eat more at this time – not using it as an excuse to pig out, but also not ignoring what my body is telling me it needs. I never noticed that what I ate during that day or so made much difference in my overall weight gain/loss patterns. I was rather hoping that this WOE might change that pattern but it seems not. So far, I think the best way to deal with this is stick to a low carb plan, but otherwise give myself latitude in the amount I eat rather than trying to stick to my calorie goals. Does anyone else have any insight on how to deal with this? Thanks, Martha — "Only those who risk going too far can possibly find out how far one can go." — T.S. Eliot

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that is exactly what i do.  i eat like a banshee, but all LC stuffs.  and i try to exercise a little more. — Warm Whooshes, eff f/35/5′5” 177/171/137 this time since 8/12/02 news server-challenged since October 8

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that is exactly what i do.  i eat like a banshee, but all LC stuffs.  and i try to exercise a little more.

Exercise?!?! <g That’s a good idea, I should probably take myself for a brisk walk. Martha – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – — Warm Whooshes, eff f/35/5′5” 177/171/137 this time since 8/12/02 news server-challenged since October 8 For years, I’ve noticed that I get ravenously hungry right before the start of my period. When I was in diet-obsessive mode, I used to just starve myself through it. As I started to de-escalate the war with my body, I let myself eat more at this time – not using it as an excuse to pig out, but also not ignoring what my body is telling me it needs. I never noticed that what I ate during that day or so made much difference in my overall weight gain/loss patterns. I was rather hoping that this WOE might change that pattern but it seems not. So far, I think the best way to deal with this is stick to a low carb plan, but otherwise give myself latitude in the amount I eat rather than trying to stick to my calorie goals. Does anyone else have any insight on how to deal with this? Thanks, Martha — "Only those who risk going too far can possibly find out how far one can go." — T.S. Eliot

– "Only those who risk going too far can possibly find out how far one can go." — T.S. Eliot

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Martha, Being male, I don’t necessarily qualify to answer this question, but I have a good friend who is a doctor, and here is what she has repeatedly told me about this phenomenon. It is likely that what your appetite indicates is a craving for minerals that your body is losing through menses.  The most common culprit is iron. Also note that many women have a problem metabolizing the most common forms of iron found in dietary supplements: ferrous sulfate, so simply taking supplements may not be the answer.  Ferrous gluconate is another decent choice for most people, but being a low-carb person you may not want to take pure glucose. Far and away the easiest source of iron for your body to use is red meat. Virtually everyone can metabolize the iron that can be found in cattle hemoglobin, as it very closely resembles our own hemoglobin.  I would suggest upping your red meat consumption during your period and seeing if that helps alleviate the appetite. Hope this helps, Areiel 6′ 3" male 283/233/190 Atkins since 08-AUG-02

– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – For years, I’ve noticed that I get ravenously hungry right before the start of my period. When I was in diet-obsessive mode, I used to just starve myself through it. As I started to de-escalate the war with my body, I let myself eat more at this time – not using it as an excuse to pig out, but also not ignoring what my body is telling me it needs. I never noticed that what I ate during that day or so made much difference in my overall weight gain/loss patterns. I was rather hoping that this WOE might change that pattern but it seems not. So far, I think the best way to deal with this is stick to a low carb plan, but otherwise give myself latitude in the amount I eat rather than trying to stick to my calorie goals. Does anyone else have any insight on how to deal with this? Thanks, Martha — "Only those who risk going too far can possibly find out how far one can go." — T.S. Eliot

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Martha! I too suffer from pre TOM munchies!Most of my cheats correlate to that time!What do i cheat with you ask(okay ya didn’t)raisin BRAN…WEIRD HUH? sALLY 244/184/154 – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – For years, I’ve noticed that I get ravenously hungry right before the start of my period. When I was in diet-obsessive mode, I used to just starve myself through it. As I started to de-escalate the war with my body, I let myself eat more at this time – not using it as an excuse to pig out, but also not ignoring what my body is telling me it needs. I never noticed that what I ate during that day or so made much difference in my overall weight gain/loss patterns. I was rather hoping that this WOE might change that pattern but it seems not. So far, I think the best way to deal with this is stick to a low carb plan, but otherwise give myself latitude in the amount I eat rather than trying to stick to my calorie goals. Does anyone else have any insight on how to deal with this? Thanks, Martha — "Only those who risk going too far can possibly find out how far one can go." — T.S. Eliot

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One serving of raisin bran has 56% of your RDA for iron.  This is exactly what you are craving.

– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – Martha! I too suffer from pre TOM munchies!Most of my cheats correlate to that time!What do i cheat with you ask(okay ya didn’t)raisin BRAN…WEIRD HUH? sALLY 244/184/154 For years, I’ve noticed that I get ravenously hungry right before the start of my period. When I was in diet-obsessive mode, I used to just starve myself through it. As I started to de-escalate the war with my body, I let myself eat more at this time – not using it as an excuse to pig out, but also not ignoring what my body is telling me it needs. I never noticed that what I ate during that day or so made much difference in my overall weight gain/loss patterns. I was rather hoping that this WOE might change that pattern but it seems not. So far, I think the best way to deal with this is stick to a low carb plan, but otherwise give myself latitude in the amount I eat rather than trying to stick to my calorie goals. Does anyone else have any insight on how to deal with this? Thanks, Martha — "Only those who risk going too far can possibly find out how far one can go." — T.S. Eliot

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Not really Sally, because it’s the iron in the raisins you’re craving. Try Mussels, Clams, Turkey, Soy Beans or Spinach! All good.. all legal! Trina 195/192/140 Since Oct.5/02 I can’t believe I mailed Jell-o! – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text -Martha! I too suffer from pre TOM munchies!Most of my cheats correlate to that time!What do i cheat with you ask(okay ya didn’t)raisin BRAN…WEIRD HUH? sALLY 244/184/154 For years, I’ve noticed that I get ravenously hungry right before the start of my period. When I was in diet-obsessive mode, I used to just starve myself through it. As I started to de-escalate the war with my body, I let myself eat more at this time – not using it as an excuse to pig out, but also not ignoring what my body is telling me it needs. I never noticed that what I ate during that day or so made much difference in my overall weight gain/loss patterns. I was rather hoping that this WOE might change that pattern but it seems not. So far, I think the best way to deal with this is stick to a low carb plan, but otherwise give myself latitude in the amount I eat rather than trying to stick to my calorie goals. Does anyone else have any insight on how to deal with this? Thanks, Martha — "Only those who risk going too far can possibly find out how far one can go." — T.S. Eliot

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"Shayna Rochel" <shaynaroc…@aol.com> wrote in message

news:20020829121752.20526.00003884@mb-fa.aol.com… > Hi everyone.  My name is Shayna-Rochel.  I’m wondering if anyone can give me > some guidance about which birth control pill is best for someone with PCOS.  I > am getting married and my fiance and I have decided that we don’t want to get > pregnant for the first year.  I know that with the PCOS I probably don’t have > to worry.  I know I am probably in for along haul when we decide to start > trying.  But in the mean time I was hoping the birth control pill would > regulate my cycle in the mean time.  I know there are some pills that can > actually make the symptoms of the PCOS worse.  Any guidance would be greatly > appreciated!

Hi, I have PCOS, and I am currently on Dianette; and have been since December of 2001. It is the only pill that I have managed to get along with, and have not suffered painful side effects, although it might make you slightly sick for the first week of taking it. Dianette also addresses the issue of hair growth, etc as it contains an anti-androgen which acts against the male hormones in the body – so it makes the symptoms less worse and easier to deal with. It has managed to successfully regulate my periods too! Congratulations on your wedding. I also got married last month (and managed to find a decent pill beforehand!)! Just make sure you pack enough for the honeymoon :Z — Vickymouse Change Snail to Mail to Reply – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text ->..<

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Thanks Vickymouse!! Congratulations on your recent wedding!!!

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Hi everyone.  My name is Shayna-Rochel.  I’m wondering if anyone can give me some guidance about which birth control pill is best for someone with PCOS.  I am getting married and my fiance and I have decided that we don’t want to get pregnant for the first year.  I know that with the PCOS I probably don’t have to worry.  I know I am probably in for along haul when we decide to start trying.  But in the mean time I was hoping the birth control pill would regulate my cycle in the mean time.  I know there are some pills that can actually make the symptoms of the PCOS worse.  Any guidance would be greatly appreciated! Hope everyone is well, Shayna-Rochel

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I’ve had good luck with desogen, demulen, and orthocept.  However, insist on the regular (non generic versions).  I had to switch from the demulen to the orthocept after I had breakthrough bleeding.  In retrospect, it probably was from the generic.  I have a relative mild case of PCO and I have found that my symptoms (at least the hair issue) have been better on the orthocept than on the other two. However, I went on the orthocept after I gave birth (see there is hope when you do start to try) so maybe the pg affected my hormones also. elyann – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text -Shayna Rochel wrote: > Hi everyone.  My name is Shayna-Rochel.  I’m wondering if anyone can give me > some guidance about which birth control pill is best for someone with PCOS.  I > am getting married and my fiance and I have decided that we don’t want to get > pregnant for the first year.  I know that with the PCOS I probably don’t have > to worry.  I know I am probably in for along haul when we decide to start > trying.  But in the mean time I was hoping the birth control pill would > regulate my cycle in the mean time.  I know there are some pills that can > actually make the symptoms of the PCOS worse.  Any guidance would be greatly > appreciated! > Hope everyone is well, > Shayna-Rochel

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Over a month after my blood test indicated that I probably have PCOS, I’m finally getting my ultrasound to confirm it.  I’m nervous because it’s a vaginal ultrasound and I can barely get through a pap smear (I’m a huge coward).  Of course, I’m doing all of this so I can get pregnant, so I guess I need to be able to get through this to have a prayer at getting through labor. I hope that I can finally get some Metformin and possibly Clomid out of this.  I also hope that my waiting is over. Were you all scared when you got your ultrasounds?  How bad were they?  I can’t believe I have to drink 32 oz of water an hour before the ultrasound.  Like the fact that it’s internal isn’t uncomfortable enough, they need to add the discomfort of a full bladder on top of it.  Oh well.  I understand that they need the bladder to be full, I’m just hoping I can get through this without peeing on the table

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Just to let you know, you do not have to have cysts on your ovaries to have PCOS…  Hang in there! Apple shape (fat belly, skinny legs and arms), facial hair, acne, thinning hair on your scalp, cysts on ovaries, insulin resistance/diabetes, infertility and absence of periods are all symptons.  You can 1, 2  or 5 of them and still have PCOS…..  This disease is generally diagnosed by symptoms…. Adele… "Silly One" <silly…@altavista.com> wrote in message

news:f701c2eb.0208220446.83ff069@posting.google.com… – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text -> Over a month after my blood test indicated that I probably have PCOS, > I’m finally getting my ultrasound to confirm it.  I’m nervous because > it’s a vaginal ultrasound and I can barely get through a pap smear > (I’m a huge coward).  Of course, I’m doing all of this so I can get > pregnant, so I guess I need to be able to get through this to have a > prayer at getting through labor. > I hope that I can finally get some Metformin and possibly Clomid out > of this.  I also hope that my waiting is over. > Were you all scared when you got your ultrasounds?  How bad were they? >  I can’t believe I have to drink 32 oz of water an hour before the > ultrasound.  Like the fact that it’s internal isn’t uncomfortable > enough, they need to add the discomfort of a full bladder on top of > it.  Oh well.  I understand that they need the bladder to be full, I’m > just hoping I can get through this without peeing on the table

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Here is a good link: http://www.aafp.org/afp/20000901/1079.html "Perple Glow" <perpleg…@attbi.com> wrote in message

news:6d599.115925$983.135604@rwcrnsc53… – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text -> Just to let you know, you do not have to have cysts on your ovaries to have > PCOS…  Hang in there! > Apple shape (fat belly, skinny legs and arms), facial hair, acne, thinning > hair on your scalp, cysts on ovaries, insulin resistance/diabetes, > infertility and absence of periods are all symptons.  You can 1, 2  or 5 of > them and still have PCOS…..  This disease is generally diagnosed by > symptoms…. > Adele… > "Silly One" <silly…@altavista.com> wrote in message > news:f701c2eb.0208220446.83ff069@posting.google.com… > > Over a month after my blood test indicated that I probably have PCOS, > > I’m finally getting my ultrasound to confirm it.  I’m nervous because > > it’s a vaginal ultrasound and I can barely get through a pap smear > > (I’m a huge coward).  Of course, I’m doing all of this so I can get > > pregnant, so I guess I need to be able to get through this to have a > > prayer at getting through labor. > > I hope that I can finally get some Metformin and possibly Clomid out > > of this.  I also hope that my waiting is over. > > Were you all scared when you got your ultrasounds?  How bad were they? > >  I can’t believe I have to drink 32 oz of water an hour before the > > ultrasound.  Like the fact that it’s internal isn’t uncomfortable > > enough, they need to add the discomfort of a full bladder on top of > > it.  Oh well.  I understand that they need the bladder to be full, I’m > > just hoping I can get through this without peeing on the table

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Hmm, I really don’t know.  I didn’t think about that, and I’m not sure how big they are supposed to be.  If I have another one I’ll find out and post here.  They definitely had the string of pearls, though!   -Shannon – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text -silly…@altavista.com (Silly One) wrote in message <news:f701c2eb.0209030714.11d16d6f@posting.google.com>… > Were your ovaries larger than average?  I’m just curious.  My ovaries > were normal sized but had the string of pearls.  Is that how yours > looked too?

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I had a vaginal ultrasound to confirm PCOS three days ago, and I was told to empty my bladder immediately before the test.  It showed the cysts clear as day.  -Shannon Shena Delian O’Brien <sh…@darklock.com> wrote in message <news:3D65043F.4000007@darklock.com>… – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text -> Silly One wrote: > > Were you all scared when you got your ultrasounds?  How bad were they? > >  I can’t believe I have to drink 32 oz of water an hour before the > > ultrasound.  Like the fact that it’s internal isn’t uncomfortable > > enough, they need to add the discomfort of a full bladder on top of > Are you *sure* the ultrasound actually *is* vaginal? > The textbooks (and my doctor) says that for a vaginal ultrasound the > bladder needs to be *empty*… the full bladder is for an ultrasound > through the tummy.

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Were your ovaries larger than average?  I’m just curious.  My ovaries were normal sized but had the string of pearls.  Is that how yours looked too? – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text -googlegro…@amalthys.com (Arthur Komodo) wrote in message <news:4dc368b.0208231014.6d81093b@posting.google.com>… > I had a vaginal ultrasound to confirm PCOS three days ago, and I was > told to empty my bladder immediately before the test.  It showed the > cysts clear as day.  -Shannon > Shena Delian O’Brien <sh…@darklock.com> wrote in message <news:3D65043F.4000007@darklock.com>… > > Silly One wrote: > > > Were you all scared when you got your ultrasounds?  How bad were they? > > >  I can’t believe I have to drink 32 oz of water an hour before the > > > ultrasound.  Like the fact that it’s internal isn’t uncomfortable > > > enough, they need to add the discomfort of a full bladder on top of > > Are you *sure* the ultrasound actually *is* vaginal? > > The textbooks (and my doctor) says that for a vaginal ultrasound the > > bladder needs to be *empty*… the full bladder is for an ultrasound > > through the tummy.

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Paquerette wrote: > most aggravating thing was that they sent me off thinking that I was > supposed to have cysts and there was nothing wrong with me.

I’ve found that some doctors tend to mislead their patients and only refer to "cysts" if they see an abnormally large growth on the ovaries, and instead refer to our bumpy ovaries as having many "follicles" – which technically is the term for them, but the "c" in PCOS is meaning those follicles, not other types of cysts. Meaning, my doctor while doing my ultrasound told me I had no cysts, but dozens of unreleased follicles. I saw them all on the machine. Classic PCOS ovaries with all the little circles everywhere. Bumpy ovaries.

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It turns out that they did the same to me: first the external ultrasound, then they sent me off to pee and I had the internal.  It was a little painful but not too bad (I agree with those who said it’s not as bad as a pap smear). The doc said he couldn’t tell if I have PCOS or not.  He said that the ultrasound showed immature eggs but they could either be PCOS or part of the normal cycle, so we’d have to rely on my OB-GYN’s blood results.  Of course, the blood results point to PCOS, so it seems that this ultrasound was just another hoop I’ve had to jump through.  When it was finished I called my doctor to make an appointment so I can finally get some Metformin, and her earliest appointment is Sept 23. So I have to wait yet another month.  Ugh. Thank you for your replies.  They gave me the support I needed! Nina – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text -Paquerette <paquere…@adelphia.net> wrote in message <news:3D653D78.3402BDDB@adelphia.net>… > Shena Delian O’Brien wrote: > > Silly One wrote: > > > Were you all scared when you got your ultrasounds?  How bad were they? > > >  I can’t believe I have to drink 32 oz of water an hour before the > > > ultrasound.  Like the fact that it’s internal isn’t uncomfortable > > > enough, they need to add the discomfort of a full bladder on top of > > Are you *sure* the ultrasound actually *is* vaginal? > > The textbooks (and my doctor) says that for a vaginal ultrasound the > > bladder needs to be *empty*… the full bladder is for an ultrasound > > through the tummy. > For the ultrasound I had many years ago, I had to do the full bladder > thing. They did part of the ultrasound, sent me off to pee, then did the > rest of it. I only remember it as being moderately uncomfortable. The > most aggravating thing was that they sent me off thinking that I was > supposed to have cysts and there was nothing wrong with me. > Jeni.

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Yeah, that is what happened to me also– i had a full bladder, they did the external ultrasound and couldnt get a decent picture, so i emptied my bladder, and then they did the vaginal ultrasound.  It kind of hurt for me– i was very uncomfortable and the tech really didnt seem to care.  I am a virgin though and i was like 17 so maybe that had a bearing on how much it hurt…  sorry to be graphic.. becky

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oops found another one! http://www.inciid.org/faq/pcos.html "Perple Glow" <perpleg…@attbi.com> wrote in message

news:6d599.115925$983.135604@rwcrnsc53… – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text -> Just to let you know, you do not have to have cysts on your ovaries to have > PCOS…  Hang in there! > Apple shape (fat belly, skinny legs and arms), facial hair, acne, thinning > hair on your scalp, cysts on ovaries, insulin resistance/diabetes, > infertility and absence of periods are all symptons.  You can 1, 2  or 5 of > them and still have PCOS…..  This disease is generally diagnosed by > symptoms…. > Adele… > "Silly One" <silly…@altavista.com> wrote in message > news:f701c2eb.0208220446.83ff069@posting.google.com… > > Over a month after my blood test indicated that I probably have PCOS, > > I’m finally getting my ultrasound to confirm it.  I’m nervous because > > it’s a vaginal ultrasound and I can barely get through a pap smear > > (I’m a huge coward).  Of course, I’m doing all of this so I can get > > pregnant, so I guess I need to be able to get through this to have a > > prayer at getting through labor. > > I hope that I can finally get some Metformin and possibly Clomid out > > of this.  I also hope that my waiting is over. > > Were you all scared when you got your ultrasounds?  How bad were they? > >  I can’t believe I have to drink 32 oz of water an hour before the > > ultrasound.  Like the fact that it’s internal isn’t uncomfortable > > enough, they need to add the discomfort of a full bladder on top of > > it.  Oh well.  I understand that they need the bladder to be full, I’m > > just hoping I can get through this without peeing on the table

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Vaginal ultrasounds aren’t too bad, they don’t have to use the speculum to do it.  That’s what hurts so much. Leigh "Silly One" <silly…@altavista.com> wrote in message

news:f701c2eb.0208220446.83ff069@posting.google.com… – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text -> Over a month after my blood test indicated that I probably have PCOS, > I’m finally getting my ultrasound to confirm it.  I’m nervous because > it’s a vaginal ultrasound and I can barely get through a pap smear > (I’m a huge coward).  Of course, I’m doing all of this so I can get > pregnant, so I guess I need to be able to get through this to have a > prayer at getting through labor. > I hope that I can finally get some Metformin and possibly Clomid out > of this.  I also hope that my waiting is over. > Were you all scared when you got your ultrasounds?  How bad were they? >  I can’t believe I have to drink 32 oz of water an hour before the > ultrasound.  Like the fact that it’s internal isn’t uncomfortable > enough, they need to add the discomfort of a full bladder on top of > it.  Oh well.  I understand that they need the bladder to be full, I’m > just hoping I can get through this without peeing on the table

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Silly One wrote: > Were you all scared when you got your ultrasounds?  How bad were they? >  I can’t believe I have to drink 32 oz of water an hour before the > ultrasound.  Like the fact that it’s internal isn’t uncomfortable > enough, they need to add the discomfort of a full bladder on top of

Are you *sure* the ultrasound actually *is* vaginal? The textbooks (and my doctor) says that for a vaginal ultrasound the bladder needs to be *empty*… the full bladder is for an ultrasound through the tummy.

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Shena Delian O’Brien wrote: > Silly One wrote: > > Were you all scared when you got your ultrasounds?  How bad were they? > >  I can’t believe I have to drink 32 oz of water an hour before the > > ultrasound.  Like the fact that it’s internal isn’t uncomfortable > > enough, they need to add the discomfort of a full bladder on top of > Are you *sure* the ultrasound actually *is* vaginal? > The textbooks (and my doctor) says that for a vaginal ultrasound the > bladder needs to be *empty*… the full bladder is for an ultrasound > through the tummy.

For the ultrasound I had many years ago, I had to do the full bladder thing. They did part of the ultrasound, sent me off to pee, then did the rest of it. I only remember it as being moderately uncomfortable. The most aggravating thing was that they sent me off thinking that I was supposed to have cysts and there was nothing wrong with me. Jeni.

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I did miss my periods when I didn’t get them because I felt very strange…it almost felt like I was not a woman anymore.  Periods are not fun, but not having them is abnormal.  I don’t think that doc is very understanding of women to say that to you.   I have a son who is almost 7 and I was not diagnosed with pcos until after he was born.  I had gestational diabetes when pregnant which was probably due to the PCOS.  Be sure if you are pregnant to get some excercise each day, you will feel so much better and maybe be able to prevent yourself from getting diabetes while pregnant (this type usually goes away after the baby is born).  Once you get gestational diabetes when pregnant it can be hard to control…mine got worse and worse as the pregancy went on.  I wish someone had encouraged me to excercise some…I was gaining so much weight and didn’t want to do anything. also, relax and watch your stress level.  stress can contribute to diabetes too.  I am a single mom and had my pregnancy alone so was very very stressed then, as you can imagine.   good luck and hope all is well.  I got a blood test done too just to make sure..in my case, think I was a bit in denial LOL My son is a difficult kid (hyper active and more) but even so, he has made my life so much more important and the hard work has been worth it!  

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Thanks – I will ask for a blood test, it didn’t occur to me that it would be more accurate. You know, reading the rest of the postings here, I can’t believe the difference in care in the States compared to the lousy situation in my area of the UK. When my doctor told me I had PCOS, I didn’t have a scan and I was told that there were no treatments available except to alleviate symptoms (I was offered Dianette). When I first told my Doctor that I wasn’t having periods, he said’ "Do you WANT periods?" I found it difficult to explain that, of course I didn’t want to have periods, but I wanted to know what was stopping them. I think you can get used to seeing doctors as being omniscient super beings and never to doubt what you’re told. It’s encouraging to talk to other people intelligent enough to question the accepted wisdom and have a good knowledge of the topic. Oh my god, that sounds so creepy, but really, I began to feel as if I was alone.  Thanks for your help! Angela "Silly One" <silly…@altavista.com> wrote in message

news:f701c2eb.0207190852.6af7dd83@posting.google.com… – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text -> Angela, > My uneducated guess is that you are pregnant.  The urine test they > gave you at the hospital may have indicated a "false-negative" because > the urine hadn’t been in your bladder long enough to pick up the HCG. > False-negative pregnancy test results are common, while > false-positives almost never happen.  Since two of your tests were > positive, I think you are pregnant. > I would tell the hospital you want a blood test.  Demand it.  Or just > wait another 6 weeks and see if you get your period.  Start taking > pre-natal vitamins (or atleast folic acid) just in case you are > pregnant. > Here is a link to a quiz to tell if you are pregnant:

http://www.americanbaby.com/ab/CDA/readerQuiz/quizPage/0,2066,46,00.h… 2 > Let us know what happens! > "Angela Wilkinson" <us…@ukonline.co.uk> wrote in message

<news:3d37ed79$0$23832$afc38c87@news.ukonline.co.uk>… – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text -> > Hi there, > > I’m new to this group and I was wondering if anyone’s had a similar > > situation to me and any advice on how to deal with it as I’m confused! > > Intro: I’m Angela, aged 27 living in the UK. I was diagnosed as having PCOS > > about 3 weeks ago and a week later I did a positive pregnancy test, it was > > faint so two days later I did another one which came out more strongly > > positive. > > I had another pregnancy test left (3 pack) so I did another one several days > > later but this time it came out negative. I went for an early pregnancy > > assessment scan and the sonographer found a small black circle within my > > womb which she said could be a pregnancy but told the nurse to give me > > another urine test.  I did this which came out negative and the hospital > > told me that I wasn’t pregnant. > > I asked the hospital if PCOS could give me a false positive and they said > > no. I just don’t understand how I could be pregnant and then not pregnant > > without any intervening change. I’m also worried about the something they > > found in my womb, that according to the hospital isn’t a pregnancy. > > Is this typical of PCOS or is it me being weird? (Don’t answer in the > > positive!). > > If anyone has any advice or could shed some light on it I’d be grateful as > > my hospital has been quite abrupt and I feel a little shell-shocked. > > Thanks.

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Angela, I am sorry that you have had a rough experience. We are here for you if there is any support that you need. Jennifer "Angela" <us…@ukonline.co.uk> wrote in message

news:3d385b09$0$8292$afc38c87@news.ukonline.co.uk… – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text -> Thanks – I will ask for a blood test, it didn’t occur to me that it would be > more accurate. You know, reading the rest of the postings here, I can’t > believe the difference in care in the States compared to the lousy situation > in my area of the UK. > When my doctor told me I had PCOS, I didn’t have a scan and I was told that > there were no treatments available except to alleviate symptoms (I was > offered Dianette). When I first told my Doctor that I wasn’t having periods, > he said’ "Do you WANT periods?" I found it difficult to explain that, of > course I didn’t want to have periods, but I wanted to know what was stopping > them. > I think you can get used to seeing doctors as being omniscient super beings > and never to doubt what you’re told. It’s encouraging to talk to other > people intelligent enough to question the accepted wisdom and have a good > knowledge of the topic. Oh my god, that sounds so creepy, but really, I > began to feel as if I was alone.  Thanks for your help! > Angela > "Silly One" <silly…@altavista.com> wrote in message > news:f701c2eb.0207190852.6af7dd83@posting.google.com… > > Angela, > > My uneducated guess is that you are pregnant.  The urine test they > > gave you at the hospital may have indicated a "false-negative" because > > the urine hadn’t been in your bladder long enough to pick up the HCG. > > False-negative pregnancy test results are common, while > > false-positives almost never happen.  Since two of your tests were > > positive, I think you are pregnant. > > I would tell the hospital you want a blood test.  Demand it.  Or just > > wait another 6 weeks and see if you get your period.  Start taking > > pre-natal vitamins (or atleast folic acid) just in case you are > > pregnant. > > Here is a link to a quiz to tell if you are pregnant:

http://www.americanbaby.com/ab/CDA/readerQuiz/quizPage/0,2066,46,00.h… – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text -> 2 > > Let us know what happens! > > "Angela Wilkinson" <us…@ukonline.co.uk> wrote in message > <news:3d37ed79$0$23832$afc38c87@news.ukonline.co.uk>… > > > Hi there, > > > I’m new to this group and I was wondering if anyone’s had a similar > > > situation to me and any advice on how to deal with it as I’m confused! > > > Intro: I’m Angela, aged 27 living in the UK. I was diagnosed as having > PCOS > > > about 3 weeks ago and a week later I did a positive pregnancy test, it > was > > > faint so two days later I did another one which came out more strongly > > > positive. > > > I had another pregnancy test left (3 pack) so I did another one several > days > > > later but this time it came out negative. I went for an early pregnancy > > > assessment scan and the sonographer found a small black circle within my > > > womb which she said could be a pregnancy but told the nurse to give me > > > another urine test.  I did this which came out negative and the hospital > > > told me that I wasn’t pregnant. > > > I asked the hospital if PCOS could give me a false positive and they > said > > > no. I just don’t understand how I could be pregnant and then not > pregnant > > > without any intervening change. I’m also worried about the something > they > > > found in my womb, that according to the hospital isn’t a pregnancy. > > > Is this typical of PCOS or is it me being weird? (Don’t answer in the > > > positive!). > > > If anyone has any advice or could shed some light on it I’d be grateful > as > > > my hospital has been quite abrupt and I feel a little shell-shocked. > > > Thanks.

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Hi there, I’m new to this group and I was wondering if anyone’s had a similar situation to me and any advice on how to deal with it as I’m confused! Intro: I’m Angela, aged 27 living in the UK. I was diagnosed as having PCOS about 3 weeks ago and a week later I did a positive pregnancy test, it was faint so two days later I did another one which came out more strongly positive. I had another pregnancy test left (3 pack) so I did another one several days later but this time it came out negative. I went for an early pregnancy assessment scan and the sonographer found a small black circle within my womb which she said could be a pregnancy but told the nurse to give me another urine test.  I did this which came out negative and the hospital told me that I wasn’t pregnant. I asked the hospital if PCOS could give me a false positive and they said no. I just don’t understand how I could be pregnant and then not pregnant without any intervening change. I’m also worried about the something they found in my womb, that according to the hospital isn’t a pregnancy. Is this typical of PCOS or is it me being weird? (Don’t answer in the positive!). If anyone has any advice or could shed some light on it I’d be grateful as my hospital has been quite abrupt and I feel a little shell-shocked. Thanks.

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Angela, My uneducated guess is that you are pregnant.  The urine test they gave you at the hospital may have indicated a "false-negative" because the urine hadn’t been in your bladder long enough to pick up the HCG. False-negative pregnancy test results are common, while false-positives almost never happen.  Since two of your tests were positive, I think you are pregnant. I would tell the hospital you want a blood test.  Demand it.  Or just wait another 6 weeks and see if you get your period.  Start taking pre-natal vitamins (or atleast folic acid) just in case you are pregnant. Here is a link to a quiz to tell if you are pregnant: http://www.americanbaby.com/ab/CDA/readerQuiz/quizPage/0,2066,46,00.h… Let us know what happens! – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text -"Angela Wilkinson" <us…@ukonline.co.uk> wrote in message <news:3d37ed79$0$23832$afc38c87@news.ukonline.co.uk>… > Hi there, > I’m new to this group and I was wondering if anyone’s had a similar > situation to me and any advice on how to deal with it as I’m confused! > Intro: I’m Angela, aged 27 living in the UK. I was diagnosed as having PCOS > about 3 weeks ago and a week later I did a positive pregnancy test, it was > faint so two days later I did another one which came out more strongly > positive. > I had another pregnancy test left (3 pack) so I did another one several days > later but this time it came out negative. I went for an early pregnancy > assessment scan and the sonographer found a small black circle within my > womb which she said could be a pregnancy but told the nurse to give me > another urine test.  I did this which came out negative and the hospital > told me that I wasn’t pregnant. > I asked the hospital if PCOS could give me a false positive and they said > no. I just don’t understand how I could be pregnant and then not pregnant > without any intervening change. I’m also worried about the something they > found in my womb, that according to the hospital isn’t a pregnancy. > Is this typical of PCOS or is it me being weird? (Don’t answer in the > positive!). > If anyone has any advice or could shed some light on it I’d be grateful as > my hospital has been quite abrupt and I feel a little shell-shocked. > Thanks.

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