TOM Question

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My question is has anyone else doing this way of eating skipped periods?  I have been going on and off atkins over the past year and was doing really well in February had total PMS and then nothing.

Mine have been early. I also did not lose my PMS weight.  Just kind of sat there.  The doc told me it was probably stress. (After 8 negative pregnancy tests. OK so I’m a little paranoid.) Well,  I started eating carbs again had my period in March right on schedule, have been off carbs in April and now I am back at terrible PMS and then nothing.  Any ideas??

I have found that I am a lot more depressed when my TOM comes around. Also, are any of you still having PMS water retention even while being in Ketosis?

I usually gain 5# during PMS and lose more than that the week of my TOM. Oh by the way I am 5′8"  30 years old and have 100 lbs to lose.

Are you eating enough calories?  I’ve heard that people who are anorexic or starving lose their periods.  This diet it so de-appetizing that I often have to force myself to eat.  I’ve heard you should eat 10-12 x your body weight in calories on this diet. Thanks for you help.

– Kathy 280/255/150 1/1/99

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 I don’t feel stressed. No change in sleep or exercise.  I am cold allllll the time which is unusual. I have had the every three week period while doing low carb before and then this.

You may want to go to the doctor to have some blood work done — I’m not sure, but I *think* when I was having period fluctuations (huge spotting and irregularity), one of the possibilities was a thyroid problem, and since you’re also cold all the time it might be something with that.

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I *think* when I was having period fluctuations (huge spotting and irregularity), one of the possibilities was a thyroid problem,

yes, hypothyroidism can often cause extremely heavy or more frequent periods. Before I was diagnosed I was having to change a super tampon every 1-2 hours. Months later, I am still anemic. Get to the doctor, Eliserory! Check out   http://www.the-thyroid-society.org/faq/ for more info. Regina

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Even good stress is stress — have you changed jobs? moved? graduated?

Moved from Chicago to podunk Washington state, started staying home full time with my 3 boys, lived in the marriott, corporate housing, apartment, while waiting for new house to be built, BUT this was all in the last year and I can honestly say this is the least stressful my life has been in the past 13 years.  I don’t feel stressed. No change in sleep or exercise.  I am cold allllll the time which is unusual. I have had the every three week period while doing low carb before and then this.

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Sounds like a visit to an endocrinologist (or at least your physician) is in order, your symptoms sound to *me* like hormones gone awry, possibly thyroid, possibly ovarian, maybe adrenals, they all work together… e.g., ’simple’ PCOS is essentially a (long-term) byproduct of insulin resistance and/or hyperinsulemia, CAH (to do with adrenals) has similar symptoms to PCOS, where the hormones get ‘deranged’ (sorry, that’s the medical term) affecting other hormone production and balances, constant feelings of fatigue and cold are often hypothyroid related and can also affect your reproductive hormones… not trying to scare you, but that’s what I would do if’n I was in your shoes…  Hope you get the answer soon! Even good stress is stress — have you changed jobs? moved? graduated? Moved from Chicago to podunk Washington state, started staying home full time with my 3 boys, lived in the marriott, corporate housing, apartment, while waiting for new house to be built, BUT this was all in the last year and I can honestly say this is the least stressful my life has been in the past 13 years.  I don’t feel stressed. No change in sleep or exercise.  I am cold allllll the time which is unusual. I have had the every three week period while doing low carb before and then this.

– ICQ 4120171 seaDrake    196[30.7%] 157[24.5%] 150[ % ?]    1998.07.13

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Hi everyone, delurking again.  First I want to say thanks to everyone for all the support you give in this group.  Everytime I want to carb splurge I read instead and can stick with it for one more day. My question is has anyone else doing this way of eating skipped periods?  I have been going on and off atkins over the past year and was doing really well in February had total PMS and then nothing.  I also did not lose my PMS weight.  Just kind of sat there.  The doc told me it was probably stress. (After 8 negative pregnancy tests. OK so I’m a little paranoid.) Well,  I started eating carbs again had my period in March right on schedule, have been off carbs in April and now I am back at terrible PMS and then nothing.  Any ideas?? Also, are any of you still having PMS water retention even while being in Ketosis? Oh by the way I am 5′8"  30 years old and have 100 lbs to lose. Thanks for you help.

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- Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – Hi everyone, delurking again.  First I want to say thanks to everyone for all the support you give in this group.  Everytime I want to carb splurge I read instead and can stick with it for one more day. My question is has anyone else doing this way of eating skipped periods?  I have been going on and off atkins over the past year and was doing really well in February had total PMS and then nothing.  I also did not lose my PMS weight.  Just kind of sat there.  The doc told me it was probably stress. (After 8 negative pregnancy tests. OK so I’m a little paranoid.) Well,  I started eating carbs again had my period in March right on schedule, have been off carbs in April and now I am back at terrible PMS and then nothing.  Any ideas?? Also, are any of you still having PMS water retention even while being in Ketosis? Oh by the way I am 5′8"  30 years old and have 100 lbs to lose. Thanks for you help.

I know a lot of us have exchanged war stories about *extra* bleeding and heavier than normal periods, so the skipped ones sound a little different.  I know the one time I skipped periods (two skipped — three months without bleeding!!!) was the summer I was working about 70 hours per week, got evicted (the landlord wanted to live in my flat) and quit my job *and* lost my new apartment (the roommates lost the lease before I moved in even!), and got involved in a civil case against the Regents of the U.  It was the official Summer of Hell, but the pregnancy tests all came out negative. It’s also odd that you’ve done this WOE before and not had this symptom until now.  Have you changed your exercise levels a lot? Sleep changes? Added any new meds?  Even good stress is stress — have you changed jobs? moved? graduated?

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For years, I’ve noticed that I get ravenously hungry right before the start of my period. When I was in diet-obsessive mode, I used to just starve myself through it. As I started to de-escalate the war with my body, I let myself eat more at this time – not using it as an excuse to pig out, but also not ignoring what my body is telling me it needs. I never noticed that what I ate during that day or so made much difference in my overall weight gain/loss patterns. I was rather hoping that this WOE might change that pattern but it seems not. So far, I think the best way to deal with this is stick to a low carb plan, but otherwise give myself latitude in the amount I eat rather than trying to stick to my calorie goals. Does anyone else have any insight on how to deal with this? Thanks, Martha — "Only those who risk going too far can possibly find out how far one can go." — T.S. Eliot

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that is exactly what i do.  i eat like a banshee, but all LC stuffs.  and i try to exercise a little more. — Warm Whooshes, eff f/35/5′5” 177/171/137 this time since 8/12/02 news server-challenged since October 8

– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – For years, I’ve noticed that I get ravenously hungry right before the start of my period. When I was in diet-obsessive mode, I used to just starve myself through it. As I started to de-escalate the war with my body, I let myself eat more at this time – not using it as an excuse to pig out, but also not ignoring what my body is telling me it needs. I never noticed that what I ate during that day or so made much difference in my overall weight gain/loss patterns. I was rather hoping that this WOE might change that pattern but it seems not. So far, I think the best way to deal with this is stick to a low carb plan, but otherwise give myself latitude in the amount I eat rather than trying to stick to my calorie goals. Does anyone else have any insight on how to deal with this? Thanks, Martha — "Only those who risk going too far can possibly find out how far one can go." — T.S. Eliot

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that is exactly what i do.  i eat like a banshee, but all LC stuffs.  and i try to exercise a little more.

Exercise?!?! <g That’s a good idea, I should probably take myself for a brisk walk. Martha – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – — Warm Whooshes, eff f/35/5′5” 177/171/137 this time since 8/12/02 news server-challenged since October 8 For years, I’ve noticed that I get ravenously hungry right before the start of my period. When I was in diet-obsessive mode, I used to just starve myself through it. As I started to de-escalate the war with my body, I let myself eat more at this time – not using it as an excuse to pig out, but also not ignoring what my body is telling me it needs. I never noticed that what I ate during that day or so made much difference in my overall weight gain/loss patterns. I was rather hoping that this WOE might change that pattern but it seems not. So far, I think the best way to deal with this is stick to a low carb plan, but otherwise give myself latitude in the amount I eat rather than trying to stick to my calorie goals. Does anyone else have any insight on how to deal with this? Thanks, Martha — "Only those who risk going too far can possibly find out how far one can go." — T.S. Eliot

– "Only those who risk going too far can possibly find out how far one can go." — T.S. Eliot

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Martha, Being male, I don’t necessarily qualify to answer this question, but I have a good friend who is a doctor, and here is what she has repeatedly told me about this phenomenon. It is likely that what your appetite indicates is a craving for minerals that your body is losing through menses.  The most common culprit is iron. Also note that many women have a problem metabolizing the most common forms of iron found in dietary supplements: ferrous sulfate, so simply taking supplements may not be the answer.  Ferrous gluconate is another decent choice for most people, but being a low-carb person you may not want to take pure glucose. Far and away the easiest source of iron for your body to use is red meat. Virtually everyone can metabolize the iron that can be found in cattle hemoglobin, as it very closely resembles our own hemoglobin.  I would suggest upping your red meat consumption during your period and seeing if that helps alleviate the appetite. Hope this helps, Areiel 6′ 3" male 283/233/190 Atkins since 08-AUG-02

– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – For years, I’ve noticed that I get ravenously hungry right before the start of my period. When I was in diet-obsessive mode, I used to just starve myself through it. As I started to de-escalate the war with my body, I let myself eat more at this time – not using it as an excuse to pig out, but also not ignoring what my body is telling me it needs. I never noticed that what I ate during that day or so made much difference in my overall weight gain/loss patterns. I was rather hoping that this WOE might change that pattern but it seems not. So far, I think the best way to deal with this is stick to a low carb plan, but otherwise give myself latitude in the amount I eat rather than trying to stick to my calorie goals. Does anyone else have any insight on how to deal with this? Thanks, Martha — "Only those who risk going too far can possibly find out how far one can go." — T.S. Eliot

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Martha! I too suffer from pre TOM munchies!Most of my cheats correlate to that time!What do i cheat with you ask(okay ya didn’t)raisin BRAN…WEIRD HUH? sALLY 244/184/154 – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – For years, I’ve noticed that I get ravenously hungry right before the start of my period. When I was in diet-obsessive mode, I used to just starve myself through it. As I started to de-escalate the war with my body, I let myself eat more at this time – not using it as an excuse to pig out, but also not ignoring what my body is telling me it needs. I never noticed that what I ate during that day or so made much difference in my overall weight gain/loss patterns. I was rather hoping that this WOE might change that pattern but it seems not. So far, I think the best way to deal with this is stick to a low carb plan, but otherwise give myself latitude in the amount I eat rather than trying to stick to my calorie goals. Does anyone else have any insight on how to deal with this? Thanks, Martha — "Only those who risk going too far can possibly find out how far one can go." — T.S. Eliot

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One serving of raisin bran has 56% of your RDA for iron.  This is exactly what you are craving.

– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – Martha! I too suffer from pre TOM munchies!Most of my cheats correlate to that time!What do i cheat with you ask(okay ya didn’t)raisin BRAN…WEIRD HUH? sALLY 244/184/154 For years, I’ve noticed that I get ravenously hungry right before the start of my period. When I was in diet-obsessive mode, I used to just starve myself through it. As I started to de-escalate the war with my body, I let myself eat more at this time – not using it as an excuse to pig out, but also not ignoring what my body is telling me it needs. I never noticed that what I ate during that day or so made much difference in my overall weight gain/loss patterns. I was rather hoping that this WOE might change that pattern but it seems not. So far, I think the best way to deal with this is stick to a low carb plan, but otherwise give myself latitude in the amount I eat rather than trying to stick to my calorie goals. Does anyone else have any insight on how to deal with this? Thanks, Martha — "Only those who risk going too far can possibly find out how far one can go." — T.S. Eliot

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Not really Sally, because it’s the iron in the raisins you’re craving. Try Mussels, Clams, Turkey, Soy Beans or Spinach! :) All good.. all legal! Trina 195/192/140 Since Oct.5/02 I can’t believe I mailed Jell-o! :) – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text -Martha! I too suffer from pre TOM munchies!Most of my cheats correlate to that time!What do i cheat with you ask(okay ya didn’t)raisin BRAN…WEIRD HUH? sALLY 244/184/154 For years, I’ve noticed that I get ravenously hungry right before the start of my period. When I was in diet-obsessive mode, I used to just starve myself through it. As I started to de-escalate the war with my body, I let myself eat more at this time – not using it as an excuse to pig out, but also not ignoring what my body is telling me it needs. I never noticed that what I ate during that day or so made much difference in my overall weight gain/loss patterns. I was rather hoping that this WOE might change that pattern but it seems not. So far, I think the best way to deal with this is stick to a low carb plan, but otherwise give myself latitude in the amount I eat rather than trying to stick to my calorie goals. Does anyone else have any insight on how to deal with this? Thanks, Martha — "Only those who risk going too far can possibly find out how far one can go." — T.S. Eliot

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