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<<We were given the choice by our RE to do an IUI without the HCG shot (in case we had actually spontaneously ovulated)… Why couldn’t you do the hCG shot, anyway?? I don’t understand. << I have not felt anything like ovulation pain or anything like that since stopping stims. Since you didn’t have the hCG shot, then it’s possible that you didn’t ovulate. However, I recently did an IUI where I *know* I ovulated (and I had about 7 mature follicles), but I didn’t feel a thing. [I know I ovulated because I came down with ohss, which can't happen unless you ovulate] << This is very disappointing to me because I ended up sitting a month out before this one….. FWIW, I have to sit out a month between *every* stimulation cycle, because I get cysts. It is frustrating, and time is passing by and we can’t even "try". << I am wondering things like how and when it is taken, for how long, what it does, possible side effects? When, how much and for how long you would take the Lupron is something you have to ask your doctor. Lupron is largely used for IVF, not IUI. Yes, some people do use it for IUI, but I don’t think there’s a "standard" procedure for it. Possible side effects of Lupron include nausea, hot flashes, vaginal dryness, headache, fatigue, etc. I have used it 4 times, and experienced headache (all 4 times) and vaginal dryness (once). I never had any other side effects. <<can anyone with experience tell me if you think my follicles shrank due to upping the dose….. No, I *really* don’t think a dosage increase would have shrunk them. You said your follicles continued to grow. I am confused. How much did they shrink by?? A dropping E2 level doesn’t necesarily mean your follicles are shrinking. <<…. or because I should take an fsh only drug or what. Well, I think that’s a possibility (if you’re talking about dropping E2). I know that the only time I had dropping E2’s was when I used Pergonal (but I also became pg that cycle, too). [I have PCOS]. But, I never had shrinking follicles. Not ever. << Everything I have found says PCO patients should stim low and slow. Yes, but that’s because most folks with PCOS are hyper-responsive. Clearly, you are *not* hyper-responsive, so this "rule of thumb" wouldn’t apply to you. I am an example of a hyper-responder. *One* amp a day has given me 18 follicles. It is difficult for me to keep my E2 below 2,000. I am very prone to hyperstimulation. This is where the "low and slow" thing comes in. It is to control hyperstimulation (and has nothing to do with poor response). Best of luck with your next RE visit, and let us know how it goes. -Kay
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I am currently on cd19 of a pergonal cycle. I was taking 4 amps a day up until cd11 and then 5 amps on cd12. My estrodial on cd9 was 96 and on cd10 lowered to 69. My follicles continued to grow up until the last day after taking 5 ampules. We were given the choice by our RE to do an IUI without the HCG shot (in case we had actually spontaneously ovulated) or stop the stims and try on our own at home. My largest follicles were 1.6 at this point. We opted not to do the IUI as we did not feel this was the case. Basically I really feel pretty bad about this cycle. I have not felt anything like ovulation pain or anything like that since stopping stims. I am remaining hopeful but just dont think this is the one. My RE did not sound too positive either. Anything can happen I guess. My course of treatment has changed a bit for the next medicated cycle and I have a few questions. The plan is to wait for my period and if one does not start on its own I will get a beta test and if that is negative a progesterone shot to make it start. I am then to go in on cd3 of my next cycle to check my fsh and estrodial levels. We are to sit this month out. This is very disappointing to me because I ended up sitting a month out before this one due to irregular bleeding too. Depending on what my fsh and estrodial levels are the plan is to take lupron along with the pergonal. I am trying to find info on lupron on the internet but have not found a whole lot that I feel pertains to my particular situation. So I am wondering about any experiences any of you may have had with lupron. I am wondering things like how and when it is taken, for how long, what it does, possible side effects? Everything I have found regarding it which is minimal has not sounded too pleasant. my other question is can anyone with experience tell me if you think my follicles shrank due to upping the dose or because I should take an fsh only drug or what. Everything I have found says PCO patients should stim low and slow. I have in the past taken 2 amps a day and had a very poor response, 3 amps good follicles low estrogen but not as low as this cycle, and this cycle 4 and 5 amps. I just have to wonder if less wouldnt be better. I will discuss this with him when I go in later but wanted some experineced opinions from fellow IF’s first. Any help or advice you can give is appreciated. Sorry this is so long. I am grateful if you made it this far. Thanks, Joni PCOS TTC 3 yrs m/c once at 7.5 weeks Lots of clomid 3 pergonal cycles 5 IUI’s
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Well I have been in lurk mode again for awhile. I signed off 2 years ago when we began the adoption process for our son. We recently did a Clomid/Gonal-f/HCG/IUI cycle and think there is a possibility that I am pregnant. My doctor is adament about taking me off of Met once I find out I am pregnant, but I don’t think that is a wise idea. He is a very good doctor and with the right information would consider leaving me on it. He is always open to suggestions and ideas where my treatment is concerned. Met has been my lifesaver for the last 2 years and I feel great while taking it. Can ya’ll steer me in the right direction? Tracy
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Boy I wish I had an answer for that one. Unfortunatly I’m in the same situation with the meds as you are right now, we’re doing a clomid/HCG/IUI cycle (I’m on day 2 of clomid so far) With the right information my doctor might consider letting me stay on it as well. I printed out and sent him a copy of Dr Gluek’s study abdout metaformin and pregnancy and why it’s a good idea for PCOS women to stay on the met, but he said the study was too small and wasn’t long ago enough for him to be comfortable with longterm affects. *sigh* I wish I had an answer for both of us. Jen "Tracy Mooney" <nativ…@tcainternet.com> wrote in message
news:tl12fd3v324q87@corp.supernews.com… – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text -> Well I have been in lurk mode again for awhile. I signed off 2 years ago > when we began the adoption process for our son. We recently did a > Clomid/Gonal-f/HCG/IUI cycle and think there is a possibility that I am > pregnant. My doctor is adament about taking me off of Met once I find out I > am pregnant, but I don’t think that is a wise idea. He is a very good > doctor and with the right information would consider leaving me on it. He > is always open to suggestions and ideas where my treatment is concerned. > Met has been my lifesaver for the last 2 years and I feel great while taking > it. > Can ya’ll steer me in the right direction? > Tracy
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I understand your frustration. I also was Metformin and my OB took my off of it. His main reason is that there is not any research which indicates the effects on the baby. He did put me on Glyburide instead and it has kept my glucose way down. I take 3MG in the morning and two after dinner. I trust him and his advice. I did not have the stomach problems I did with Metformin. I do plan on getting back on it after the baby if I don’t nurse. Best of luck whatever your decision. Dawn "Tracy Mooney" <nativ…@tcainternet.com> wrote in message
news:tl12fd3v324q87@corp.supernews.com… – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text -> Well I have been in lurk mode again for awhile. I signed off 2 years ago > when we began the adoption process for our son. We recently did a > Clomid/Gonal-f/HCG/IUI cycle and think there is a possibility that I am > pregnant. My doctor is adament about taking me off of Met once I find out I > am pregnant, but I don’t think that is a wise idea. He is a very good > doctor and with the right information would consider leaving me on it. He > is always open to suggestions and ideas where my treatment is concerned. > Met has been my lifesaver for the last 2 years and I feel great while taking > it. > Can ya’ll steer me in the right direction? > Tracy
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I have an RE who is really great and he is very cautious of doing anything if there has not been significant research on it. Though he has seen a very convincing article on Glucaphage during pregnancy I believe he said it was in the medical Journal, but I’m not sure. Because of that article he will keep me on the Glucaphage once we’re pregnant. My doctor is an older gentleman who keeps up with the latest and greatest. One thing he has found is that women who don’t respond well to 1500mg of Glucophage sometimes respond better at 1700mg. I’ve was one of those, since being on 850 twice a day I do not have the stomach problems, I can now tolerate dairy products again and I have now started seeing a slight weight loss. I was on 1500mg for a year and only saw a decrease in hair growth. Now since being on the 850 twice a day my fasting levels and ratio is actually getting back in the normal range and maybe I’ll be able to come off the medication in the next 6 months. Mandy – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text -Tracy Mooney wrote: > Well I have been in lurk mode again for awhile. I signed off 2 years ago > when we began the adoption process for our son. We recently did a > Clomid/Gonal-f/HCG/IUI cycle and think there is a possibility that I am > pregnant. My doctor is adament about taking me off of Met once I find out I > am pregnant, but I don’t think that is a wise idea. He is a very good > doctor and with the right information would consider leaving me on it. He > is always open to suggestions and ideas where my treatment is concerned. > Met has been my lifesaver for the last 2 years and I feel great while taking > it. > Can ya’ll steer me in the right direction? > Tracy
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Joanne, As you know the basals are set up by the doc etc., I just leave them at whatever level they are supposed to be. When I disconnect it still runs and when I awaken I just plug it back in. This is the same as when I shower or use the pool or the hot tub. I just disconnect and do what I want and then go back on. If the Bg is too high when I reconnect I just use an injection of 10 units to get back on track. This works very well for me but I wouldn’t suggest it as a treatment course for anyone else. You just have to do well with that which gives the best results. – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – There are no typical basals. Mine are as follows: 12 a.m. 2.5 3 a.m. 3.0 Aren’t these the times you said you disconnect? 6 a.m. 3.5 8 a.m. 4.0 1 p.m. 3. and so on until midnight again. My rate is 1 unit to @5 carbs. If I don’t eat meals the bolus is about 10 units and if I eat they are around 15-25. Lurline, why would you bolus when you do not eat? Everyone is different. I am a type 1and 1/2 with syndrome X and PCOS. Yes, we are all different Mine are Midnight 0.6 6 AM 0.8 10 AM 0.7 8 PM 1.0 10 PM 0.8 I am at 1.1 units per 15 grams carb My TDD runs between 28 and 30 units. — Joanne Visit My Home Page http://www.geocities.com/Vienna/Strasse/6736/
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i have a girlfriend who has been using one for about six months now and i’m trying to find out some additional information as far as what are some typical basals and boluses any help from anyone would be greatly appreciated My basals range from 0.8 units per hour to 2.1 units per hour. The highest rate is from 4 AM to 12 AM. MY lowest rate is from 6 PM to midnight. My bolus is 4 units of insulin to 10 grams of CHO.
mine is .3 from midnight to 7 am and .4 from 7 am to midnight. 1 unit to 15 gm cho on inactive days. 1 unit to 20 gm on active days.
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There are no typical basals. Mine are as follows: 12 a.m. 2.5 3 a.m. 3.0
Aren’t these the times you said you disconnect? 6 a.m. 3.5 8 a.m. 4.0 1 p.m. 3. and so on until midnight again. My rate is 1 unit to @5 carbs. If I don’t eat meals the bolus is about 10 units and if I eat they are around 15-25.
Lurline, why would you bolus when you do not eat? Everyone is different. I am a type 1and 1/2 with syndrome X and PCOS.
Yes, we are all different Mine are Midnight 0.6 6 AM 0.8 10 AM 0.7 8 PM 1.0 10 PM 0.8 I am at 1.1 units per 15 grams carb My TDD runs between 28 and 30 units. — Joanne Visit My Home Page http://www.geocities.com/Vienna/Strasse/6736/
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i have a girlfriend who has been using one for about six months now and i’m trying to find out some additional information as far as what are some typical basals and boluses any help from anyone would be greatly appreciated
My basals range from 0.8 units per hour to 2.1 units per hour. The highest rate is from 4 AM to 12 AM. MY lowest rate is from 6 PM to midnight. My bolus is 4 units of insulin to 10 grams of CHO. George Your Mileage WILL Vary.
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There are no typical basals. Mine are as follows: 12 a.m. 2.5 3 a.m. 3.0 6 a.m. 3.5 8 a.m. 4.0 1 p.m. 3. and so on util midnight again. My rate is 1 unit to @5 carbs. If I don’t eat meals the bolus is about 10 units and if I eat they are around 15-25. Everyone is different. I am a type 1and 1/2 with syndrome X and PCOS.
And acute mental illness. What book did you take these figures from lurline? Time to fess up. Rich Gans —
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There are no typical basals. Mine are as follows: 12 a.m. 2.5 3 a.m. 3.0 6 a.m. 3.5 8 a.m. 4.0 1 p.m. 3. and so on util midnight again. My rate is 1 unit to @5 carbs. If I don’t eat meals the bolus is about 10 units and if I eat they are around 15-25. Everyone is different. I am a type 1and 1/2 with syndrome X and PCOS.
Why do you think you are a Type 1 1/2? Insulin resistance/syndrome X are key indicators of Type 2. Did you have a c-peptide done? If so, was it challenged or non, while you were taking insulin or meds?
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There are no typical basals. Mine are as follows: 12 a.m. 2.5 3 a.m. 3.0 6 a.m. 3.5 8 a.m. 4.0 1 p.m. 3. and so on util midnight again. My rate is 1 unit to @5 carbs. If I don’t eat meals the bolus is about 10 units and if I eat they are around 15-25. Everyone is different. I am a type 1and 1/2 with syndrome X and PCOS. – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – i have a girlfriend who has been using one for about six months now and i’m trying to find out some additional information as far as what are some typical basals and boluses any help from anyone would be greatly appreciated
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i have a girlfriend who has been using one for about six months now and i’m trying to find out some additional information as far as what are some typical basals and boluses any help from anyone would be greatly appreciated
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i have a girlfriend who has been using one for about six months now and i’m trying to find out some additional information as far as what are some typical basals and boluses any help from anyone would be greatly appreciated
Hi Scott, perhaps it would be better if she were to have some help in figuring out the basals and boluses that would be typical for HER! It all has to do with food intake, body weight, insulin sensitivity, activity at any certain time, sick days and so on. It should be something that fits the individual and his or her particular life. I have a pump and have also found that within the past year my own insulin needs have changed. It is something that needs to be fine tuned until it ‘fits’! Here is a url that tells how to calculate basals and boluses, based on the person’s needs and not just typical ones. http://www.insulin-pumpers.org/howto/HOWTO-calculate-CBS-1.shtml Here is the url to the main page of Insulin Pumpers which is really full of useful information for pumpers. http://insulin-pumpers.org/ — Joanne Visit My Home Page http://www.geocities.com/Vienna/Strasse/6736/
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I have been on gloucophage for awhile, about 7 months now. What has me puzzled is the reason I am on it. I was put on it to lower my insulin levels. What some doctors have told me is that gloucophage lowers the glucose not the insulin. How is gloucophage working for me if I don’t have high blood sugar. It seems to me this is why the doctors are in conflict about this medication. Maybe I don’t know enough about how gloucophage works. Noone explains that gloucophage lowers insulin, as in my case. Maybe someone should explain that about the drug. I had an anestiologist tell me he was confused as to why I am on gloucophage if I don’t have blood sugar problems. Donna
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Hi Donna, Glucophage is not labeled as a treatment for PCOS which may be why your anesthesiologist was not familiar with your using it. The way I understand the process of insulin resistance is, the body has a problem knowing when to produce insulin, and when it does, it overcompensates for being late by sending out too much. This makes your sugar levels erratic and insulin out of whack. Glucophage helps to control this reaction by lowering the sugar in your bloodstream, before the insulin has a chance to get all crazy in the first place. Jill
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I thought metformin worked by making your cells more sensitive to the insulin.. so your own insulin works better? Jill <jillv…@aol.compost> wrote in message
news:20001112012935.19356.00002193@ng-ch1.aol.com… – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text -> Hi Donna, > Glucophage is not labeled as a treatment for PCOS which may be why your > anesthesiologist was not familiar with your using it. > The way I understand the process of insulin resistance is, the body has a > problem knowing when to produce insulin, and when it does, it overcompensates > for being late by sending out too much. This makes your sugar levels erratic > and insulin out of whack. > Glucophage helps to control this reaction by lowering the sugar in your > bloodstream, before the insulin has a chance to get all crazy in the first > place. > Jill
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>I thought metformin worked by making your cells more sensitive to the >insulin.. so your own insulin works better?
Glucophage works within the liver to help the body use the insulin more efficiently. This is unlike the older diabetic drugs of the class of sulfonylureas which stimulate the body to release more insulin–not good for many whose problem was overproduction of insulin in the first place, though a few type 2’s would be simply insulin-deficient and would benefit from this class. I tend to think of these folks as type 1 and a halfs. 
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On Sat, 11 Nov 2000 15:56:29 -0500, "Donna" <glen.rem…@rcn.com> wrote: >I have been on gloucophage for awhile, about 7 months now. What has me >puzzled is the reason I am on it. I was put on it to lower my insulin >levels. What some doctors have told me is that gloucophage lowers the >glucose not the insulin.
They’re misinformed. What kind of docs are you seeing? General MDs, OB/GYNs, and/or an endocrinologist? Elise
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Hello all! FINALLY, I have an official diagnosis of what I’ve suspected for quite some time now. I have PCOS. I am so relieved to finally have a name for it. Don’t get me wrong: I am not happy to have PCOS, just happy that I know what it is that I have! Now I can deal with it and get the treatment I need. I have also been diagnosed with insulin resistance. My RE has prescribed provera and glucophage. I also plan to continue my low carb woe, though I haven’t discussed it with my RE. Laurie Sent via Deja.com http://www.deja.com/ Before you buy.
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<mcla…@my-deja.com> wrote in message news:8rd987$725$1@nnrp1.deja.com… > Hello all! > FINALLY, I have an official diagnosis of what I’ve suspected for quite > some time now. I have PCOS
Time to do a happy jig. :-) I think we all feel relief at seeing the face of our enemy, don’t you? Wishing you luck. . . Beth
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I am happy for you. I too thought it was great to have a diagnosis finally after all this time. But it seems as if noone really knows the correct way to treat PCOS. They seem to be guessing. One person will tell you no BCP, another will tell you just certain kinds. Another will say no to metformin. Never giving you definite answers. Good luck. I hope you get the help you deserve. Donna "Beth" <mickb…@chibardun.net> wrote in message
news:fqqC5.1533$df6.21395@reggie.win.bright.net… – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text -> <mcla…@my-deja.com> wrote in message news:8rd987$725$1@nnrp1.deja.com… > > Hello all! > > FINALLY, I have an official diagnosis of what I’ve suspected for quite > > some time now. I have PCOS > Time to do a happy jig. :-) I think we all feel relief at seeing the face > of our enemy, don’t you? Wishing you luck. . . > Beth
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Hip hip hooray!!! Ha ha. Seriously, no one’s happy to have PCOS but I think we all can relate to knowing we’re not willpowerless slobs with 3 or more gross "unrelated" conditions. This group has been a godsend for me. Very supportive and very informed. Sorry you have to be here but I’m glad you found the group. Jenn In article <8rd987$72…@nnrp1.deja.com>, – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text - mcla…@my-deja.com wrote: > Hello all! > FINALLY, I have an official diagnosis of what I’ve suspected for quite > some time now. I have PCOS. I am so relieved to finally have a name > for it. Don’t get me wrong: I am not happy to have PCOS, just happy > that I know what it is that I have! Now I can deal with it and get the > treatment I need. I have also been diagnosed with insulin resistance. > My RE has prescribed provera and glucophage. I also plan to continue > my low carb woe, though I haven’t discussed it with my RE. > Laurie > Sent via Deja.com http://www.deja.com/ > Before you buy.
– ~~~~~~~~~~~~~ Jenn Golden Met since 21/March/2000 AF #1 24/May/2000 AF #2 28/June/2000 – 35 day cycle AF #3 10/Aug/2000 – 44 day cycle Sent via Deja.com http://www.deja.com/ Before you buy.
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I was thrown around by doctors who diagnosed me with PCOS based on ultrasound alone. I took chlomid for both of my pregnancies, both ended in m/c though in the 6th week. I finally found a doctor who was willing to do the whole workup and what he concluded was two things, I definitely have a high LH level (it is double what the normal level is), and he thinks that this is why I’m miscarrying. The other possible reason could be immunilogical (sp?), which we haven’t done to much testing with that. I am going to go on Lupron (which reduces the LH levels) and then on injectables. He thinks that this will work. It’s not that I have a hard time getting pregnant, it’s just keeping it that is so hard.] Good luck to you. Antoinette — – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text -<jen…@my-deja.com> wrote in message news:8rd2cr$ol$1@nnrp1.deja.com… > Oh Robin, > I don’t have any ideas for you. All this treatment stuff is still a > ways off for me, but I’m so sorry to hear about this loss. My thoughts > are with you. > {{{Hugs}}} > Jenn > — > ~~~~~~~~~~~~~ > Jenn Golden > Met since 21/March/2000 > AF #1 24/May/2000 > AF #2 28/June/2000 – 35 day cycle > AF #3 10/Aug/2000 – 44 day cycle > Sent via Deja.com http://www.deja.com/ > Before you buy.
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with pco… Is there a chance of getting pregnant without all those meds & shots? I have pco & am told there is no other meds I need other than Provera & birth controll to regulate if I wanted to take BC. I know nothing about folicles & overies. I need info that the gyn wont or cant provide me with. Thanks Jinny.
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Hi Jinny, Many doctors treat PCOS differently. PCOS is basically a syndrome wherein the hormones are out of whack, and this causes the ovaries to not produce eggs properly. Since one of the precursors to hormones is insulin, many doctors have used an insulin-regulating drug (like Metformin) to help balance the hormones. One good source of information is Dr. Charles Glueck in Cincinnati, at the Jewish Hospital…do a search for him and read his site! I think you will find it informative. BCP and Provera are the old ways of treating this disease. IMO, they only mask the problem, and do not help it, whereas treatment with Metformin actually regulates the insulin in the bloodstream, and helps to regulate hormone production. I, personally, will never take BCP or Provera again, as I think they have contributed to my problems. Many women who have used Metformin have found themselves pregnant. My physician told me that if I wanted to get pregnant, that 70-80% of his patients were pregnant within 8 months of starting to take Metformin. Those are pretty good odds. Surf the internet and educate yourself about your options. If you are not satisfied with the answers you are getting from your doctor, I suggest that you seek a doctor who is more receptive to your questions and needs. Good luck, hope this helps, Lyn — ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ We can judge the heart of a man by his treatment of animals. — Immanuel Kant (1724-1804) Whole Lotta Love <wholelottal…@aol.com> wrote in message news:20001013162110.25734.00003852@ng-fi1.aol.com… – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text -> with pco… Is there a chance of getting pregnant without all those meds & > shots? I have pco & am told there is no other meds I need other than Provera & > birth controll to regulate if I wanted to take BC. I know nothing about > folicles & overies. I need info that the gyn wont or cant provide me with. > Thanks Jinny.
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Well,I called my old re after my dr.didn’t have any options for me.I went in had a follicle,had hcg shot,had iui next day(dh has had low count now low motility).No wonder I wasn’t getting pg by myself.They had always wanted us to do iui,but we never had.The one time I conceived we were going out of town so couldn’t.Anyway it worked.I had preg.test Fri.14dpo and it was positive,but a low positive at 10.8.Today,Mon.I went for another hcg and it was only 11 so they told me to get off the proges.injections and I will start.They don’t know why this is happening.She said it could be cromosomal abnormalities,but the testing is expensive and they don’t do it till you’ve had 3m/c or it could be antibodies.She said you remedy it with baby asparin.I had been taking it after I found out though.Maybe I needed it sooner.I suspected it was from not taking the prog.for almost a week.My level was 21 after doing it days 3.5.7.9 then I didn’t take it from Sun.to Fri.and it fell to 9.I thought this had something to do with implantation,but she said it didn’t.She wanted me to take clomid since that’s how I got preg.on this cycle,but I told her it didn’t help me that I was oing on Met alone,but my other dr.was trying to move my ovulation down to day 15 instead of 20 and it didn’t help.So she said I didn’t have to do clomid then.I told her I only have 1 clomid cycle left too.I don’t know what’s causing the m/c.Any ideas? — Robin ttc#1-3yrs.on 3rd Dr.,pco since puberty on 2000mg., Metformin,B6,robitussin,baby asparin,evening primrose,8mg.clomid,soy lecithin,off coffee,off St.John’s Wort charting temps and mucous Sent via Deja.com http://www.deja.com/ Before you buy.
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{{{{{Robin}}}}} You have been trying so hard. I’ve had 3 chemical pgs myself and think they were just bad luck (and in my case a uterine septum, perhaps). For my fourth pg which lasted quite a while, I took baby aspirin beginning on CD 1 of the cycle — just 81 mg/day. Just start it with the first day of bleeding and keep taking it. Hope your luck improves . . . so sorry you’ve had to go through something like this. Beth
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Oh Robin, I don’t have any ideas for you. All this treatment stuff is still a ways off for me, but I’m so sorry to hear about this loss. My thoughts are with you. {{{Hugs}}} Jenn — ~~~~~~~~~~~~~ Jenn Golden Met since 21/March/2000 AF #1 24/May/2000 AF #2 28/June/2000 – 35 day cycle AF #3 10/Aug/2000 – 44 day cycle Sent via Deja.com http://www.deja.com/ Before you buy.
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Kari, Factor VIII is what causes blood to clot – people who are haemophiliacs (sp?!) don’t have any (or not enough) of this, which is why they need factor VIII transfusions. If you have too much factor VIII, then this would be why you overclot At least, I *think* that’s how it works!! — Boneist ———— "Scientists have calculated that the chance of anything so patently absurd actually existing are millions to one. But magicians have calculated that million-to-one chances crop up nine times out of ten." (Terry Pratchett – Mort) Kari <k…@nospamfuse.net> wrote in message
news:stt13f5vtca2c5@corp.supernews.com… – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text -> I have a high Factor VIII. I dont really know what that means except > that I am prone to over clotting. This is also played a part in my > miscarriages. > Kari
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Hi all! Again a weird question. I went to test my glucose levels for the first time yesterday and could not bleed to save my life. By the time I went to try to push a drop of blood out, I had scabbed over. Then when I went to the hospital to get blood drawn the guy mentioned that it was taking an awful long time for my blood to draw and asked if I had a history of this. I never had. I recently started taking Met about 3 weeks ago and am now up to 1500 mg (with no period as of yet…) Normally I’m an easy "stick" as they say. Has anyone else had this problem? Jen Met 1500 mg, Brewers Yeast (seems to help with Nausea), Multi Viatmins and Calcium TTC since 1995 225/221/150 – Atkins and Bowflex
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Many women with PCOS also have a mutation in the PAI1 gene…PAI1 is plasminogen activator inhibitor. What this protein does is it inhibits the activator of plasminogen, which is a clotting factor. Since there is a mutation in the gene, the inhibitor does not function, and thus, the activator "activates" the plaminogen, resulting in over-clotting of the blood. Please discuss this with your physician, as you can be at risk for blood clots and clotting disorders. Please be aware that I am not a physician, but just a concerned PCOS sufferer like you, and am providing this information so that you can discuss it with your physician. HTH, Lyn — ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ We can judge the heart of a man by his treatment of animals. — Immanuel Kant (1724-1804) Jt and JJ <thebe…@az.freei.net> wrote in message news:oYVB5.2312$Zp2.436271@news.uswest.net… – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text -> Hi all! Again a weird question. I went to test my glucose levels for the > first time yesterday and could not bleed to save my life. By the time I went > to try to push a drop of blood out, I had scabbed over. Then when I went to > the hospital to get blood drawn the guy mentioned that it was taking an > awful long time for my blood to draw and asked if I had a history of this. I > never had. I recently started taking Met about 3 weeks ago and am now up to > 1500 mg (with no period as of yet…) > Normally I’m an easy "stick" as they say. Has anyone else had this problem? > Jen > Met 1500 mg, Brewers Yeast (seems to help with Nausea), Multi Viatmins and > Calcium > TTC since 1995 > 225/221/150 – Atkins and Bowflex
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I have a high Factor VIII. I dont really know what that means except that I am prone to over clotting. This is also played a part in my miscarriages. Kari Lyn <idontm…@mindspring.com> wrote in message
news:8rlr52$dei$1@slb3.atl.mindspring.net… : Many women with PCOS also have a mutation in the PAI1 gene…PAI1 is : plasminogen activator inhibitor. What this protein does is it inhibits the : activator of plasminogen, which is a clotting factor. Since there is a : mutation in the gene, the inhibitor does not function, and thus, the : activator "activates" the plaminogen, resulting in over-clotting of the : blood. : : Please discuss this with your physician, as you can be at risk for blood : clots and clotting disorders. : : Please be aware that I am not a physician, but just a concerned PCOS : sufferer like you, and am providing this information so that you can discuss : it with your physician. : : HTH, : Lyn : : — : ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ : We can judge the heart of a man by his treatment of animals. : — Immanuel Kant (1724-1804) : : : : Jt and JJ <thebe…@az.freei.net> wrote in message : news:oYVB5.2312$Zp2.436271@news.uswest.net… : > Hi all! Again a weird question. I went to test my glucose levels for the : > first time yesterday and could not bleed to save my life. By the time I : went : > to try to push a drop of blood out, I had scabbed over. Then when I went : to : > the hospital to get blood drawn the guy mentioned that it was taking an : > awful long time for my blood to draw and asked if I had a history of this. : I : > never had. I recently started taking Met about 3 weeks ago and am now up : to : > 1500 mg (with no period as of yet…) : > : > Normally I’m an easy "stick" as they say. Has anyone else had this : problem? : > : > Jen : > Met 1500 mg, Brewers Yeast (seems to help with Nausea), Multi Viatmins and : > Calcium : > TTC since 1995 : > 225/221/150 – Atkins and Bowflex : > : > : :
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Feel better, in what sense. I just started Met and am curious as to what to expect. Thanks. Jeanne "Donna" <glen.rem…@rcn.com> wrote in message
news:8r2m8k$nns$1@bob.news.rcn.net… – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text -> You know all this and have been informed because you are a diagnosed > diabetic. Of which I am glad. > But what happens to the rest of us. Who aren’t diagnosed diabetic. And > aren’t given this information. And they state we don’t need it because > where not diabetic. > I just want all to see what I went through. Because they just don’t know > enough about IR. Hoping soon they will get better informed. > Cathy, your answers are great. But my RE doesn’t believe I need my blood > sugar check regularly, because I am only IR. But yet he puts me on a > diabetic medication, which by everyone else’s standard should be checking my > blood sugar. Who is right here? > Do I sound flustered? I should. I just am not sure about this. But one > thing I am sure of I have never felt better in my life than these last > couple months on gloucophage. So I am not going off of it. > Donna > "Cathy the Cat Loving Cyster" <cyster…@aol.comedyclub> wrote in message > news:20000929054249.20248.00000174@ng-ca1.aol.com… > > >It was 80 when I went in, after fasting for nearly 16 > > >hours. So > > >> at some point they gave me glucose. And my sugar when up to 216. > > >Now they > > >> said it was too high. But weren’t sure what to do about it. They > > >just > > >> stopped the glucose and it went down to 100. I am not sure what all > > >this > > >> means. Is this normal? > > This is what the ADA says in regard to glucose testing > > Fasting Plasma Glucose Test > > The fasting plasma glucose test is the preferred way to diagnose diabetes. > It > > is easy to perform and convenient. After you have fasted overnight (at > least 8 > > hours), a single sample of your blood is drawn at the doctor
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Thanks for the post! Please let us know how it works long-term. BTW…were you weaned onto the metformin? It gave me severe diarrhea when I first started, but when I was weaned onto it, it was much better. I took 500 mg 1/day for a week, then 500 mgs 2X/day. I cannot go over 1000 mg/day, or I get bad diarrhea. HTH, -L.
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Hi everyone, I’m trying laser hair removal again and I wanted to let you know of my progress. July 7th I had my first treatment with the GentleLase alexandrite laser system. This laser is FDA approved for permanent removal (whatever true permanency means) and a few people with first hand experience have told me it worked for them on their legs and under arms. Even though I was suppose to use the numbing cream I didn’t. I had had laser treatment (tried Epilight which doesn’t work) before and figured there wouldn’t be much pain and so I wouldn’t need it. I was so wrong. It was seriously painful, even more than electrolysis and I usually have a high pain threshold! Luckily, the pain only last for as long as the actual procedure took place. Afterwards my face was a bite hot and really red. I was told it’s more painful if you have a lot of dark dense hair…well, that was me. I was also told the more dark and dense the hair the better it works. Which I am very happy to inform you it is!! I am very surprised and impressed. The first week my face was a mess!! It looked so bad I couldn’t go out anywhere. I was very afraid it wasn’t going to work. I almost called them to discuss it. Then two weeks later I noticed the hair was coming out when I washed my face. I still can’t believe it, but about 75% of the hair is gone at least up to this point. Usually for me after some sort of hair removal treatment whether plucking, waxing, or electrolysis the hair returns within 10 days. It’s now been about 26 days and most of the hair has fallen out and nothing has returned in it’s place! The remaining hair is mostly the lighter colored and blond. I’ll be returning in about another week or so. The total cost is $300 for complete face, but you can have just the upper lip or chin done for $150. After consulting a few places this was an average price. Also, every place I called and the one I choose to go to said the same thing that it would take about 4 – 6 times. A little info about my hair problem: It had gotten so bad I would have to shave twice a day and it would bleed every time I did and still it was very noticeable on my upper lip and chin. I found that by plucking I could get away with maybe 7 to 10 days of freedom, but I couldn’t pluck my whole face and it always took awhile to do. Also, when the hair would grow back in I would have to hide out for the next 3 or so days because it would look really awful. I even purchased Estee Lauder Double Wear foundation and it didn’t cover it. After that I tried Dermablend and still no help. I also tried Ardell’s Epi Hair-Stop and it didn’t do much for me. Although, I noticed it made my skin stay smooth. I haven’t used it once since I had the laser treatment. I now don’t even have to worry about covering it up. If I don’t shave my face for a day it doesn’t even look like I have a problem. I’m so happy about this! Although, I still go ahead and use foundation and powder anyway. I have really red annoying cheeks, always have. The thing that’s so annoying is how I spent way more than $1500 on hair removal in the past and I’m far from being rich. I went to 3 different electrolysis people who all told me not to try laser, but of course what else would they say? I had even tried Epilight "laser" which didn’t work at all. This stuff can really make you discouraged. I almost wasn’t going to try the GentleLase even though I knew someone that had for her under arms, but I searched online for more info and found a message board mentioning it: http://www.consumerbeware.com/cgi-bin/Ultimate.cgi The only thing I am worried about is any new growth in the future. I realize it’s the PCOS that has caused the problem in the first place and the PCOS is still here. Unfortunately, the Metformin made me beyond sick. I can’t take it. Also, birth control pills gave me headaches and really bad mood swings. I want to conceive (anytime would be good) so no Aldactone. I’m mostly all vegetarian so I don’t low-carb. I mostly just take herbs, inositol, and vitamins. I’m really glad about the Vaniqa, but I’m hoping I won’t have to use it. Hope this is helpful to anyone interested in trying this and no I don’t work for GentleLase. Kayla PS, Sorry if I have any typos, misspellings, etc.
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Hi. A doc that I saw suggested PCOS as a possible problem. There’s the usual amenorrhea/oligomenorrhea, some acne, weight control problems, skin tags, etc. The tests in 1998 (not on BC pills) indicated serum testosterone in the middle of the reference range, DHEA toward the high end of the normal range, and a somewhat high LH/FSH ration (IIRC, the LH was around 19 and the FSH was 2). Recent tests indicated that fasting insulin was 13.8 and fasting glucose was 94. (The doctor’s office said that this was a normal fasting insulin level, though some things I’ve seen suggests that if it’s > 10, that may suggest some insulin resistance.) What would be an appropriate next step? The previous gyn I’d seen said that there was no reason to think I had PCOS (since the testosterone was not elevated). Is there any benefit to an ultrasound if you are not TTC? Would it be appropriate to ask about Metformin? I don’t want to be an obnoxious patient, but one of my grandmothers was somewhat heavy, had uterine cancer, and a series of strokes that paralyzed half her body, and I’m a little scared about my own health risks. (Her mother also had strokes, and I just got to see a cardiologist for an irregular heartbeat.) Right now, they have my on Ortho Tri-Cyclen, which does induce periods, but doesn’t seem to help with much else.
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Wendy, I was Dx with PCOS with testosterone and DHEA-s levels in the high-normal range, a *normal* 1:1 LH/FSH ratio and only a couple of dinky cysts on each normal-sized ovary. I also have had few menstrual disturbances (oligomenorrhea and anovulation when I was heaviest, years ago, but ok now). Given the slim evidence of PCOS, I was *still* able to get a prescription of metformin and it has helped me enormously. Please don’t be afraid of annoying your doctor–or of finding another one. Good luck! Beth p.s. I think women with PCOs are entitled to metformin and other good treatment regardless of whether they are TTC. I wish doctors would all agree! ———————————————————– Got questions? Get answers over the phone at Keen.com. Up to 100 minutes free! http://www.keen.com
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> p.s. I think women with PCOs are entitled to metformin and > other good treatment regardless of whether they are TTC. I wish > doctors would all agree!
ABSOLUTELY!!! I have felt genuinely sick for years without it. When I want to have babies, I will be all the healthier too, for years of better health care! Sent via Deja.com http://www.deja.com/ Before you buy.
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"Wendy Edwards" <wedwa…@uiuc.edu> wrote: >Right now, they have >my on Ortho Tri-Cyclen, which does induce periods, but doesn’t seem to help >with much else.
Oops. . .didn’t notice that comment. Can someone out there confirm my notion that that kind of BCP is very bad for someone with PCOS? I’d heard that the tricyclic-type BCP don’t suppress follicular formation and PCOS ovaries tend to swell up worse. Am I nuts or did I remember correctly? Beth ———————————————————– Got questions? Get answers over the phone at Keen.com. Up to 100 minutes free! http://www.keen.com
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Thanks! I’ve also heard this, and have tried asking my doctor. It makes me a little nervous that my paternal grandmother had a series of strokes (as did her mother before her). BC pills are supposed to increase the risk for this. Does anyone else have a family history of strokes? "Michael Persson" <mickbethNOmiS…@hotmail.com.invalid> wrote in message
news:2fe217d6.95aef5f4@usw-ex0104-087.remarq.com… – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text -> "Wendy Edwards" <wedwa…@uiuc.edu> wrote: > >Right now, they have > >my on Ortho Tri-Cyclen, which does induce periods, but doesn’t > seem to help > >with much else. > Oops. . .didn’t notice that comment. Can someone out there > confirm my notion that that kind of BCP is very bad for someone > with PCOS? I’d heard that the tricyclic-type BCP don’t suppress > follicular formation and PCOS ovaries tend to swell up worse. > Am I nuts or did I remember correctly? > Beth > ———————————————————– > Got questions? Get answers over the phone at Keen.com. > Up to 100 minutes free! > http://www.keen.com
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Thanks to everyone who responded. It may be a good idea to try to get a referral to a doc who specializes in this. (The one I have now is a general OB-G, who seems to mean well, but may not know much about PCOS.) "Michael Persson" <mickbethNOmiS…@hotmail.com.invalid> wrote in message
news:0eb4d463.6f2a2958@usw-ex0104-087.remarq.com… – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text -> Wendy, > I was Dx with PCOS with testosterone and DHEA-s levels in the > high-normal range, a *normal* 1:1 LH/FSH ratio and only a couple > of dinky cysts on each normal-sized ovary. I also have had few > menstrual disturbances (oligomenorrhea and anovulation when I > was heaviest, years ago, but ok now). Given the slim evidence of > PCOS, I was *still* able to get a prescription of metformin and > it has helped me enormously. Please don’t be afraid of annoying > your doctor–or of finding another one. Good luck! > Beth > p.s. I think women with PCOs are entitled to metformin and > other good treatment regardless of whether they are TTC. I wish > doctors would all agree! > ———————————————————– > Got questions? Get answers over the phone at Keen.com. > Up to 100 minutes free! > http://www.keen.com
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