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Hello all, I’m considering to start taking daily vitamins to give my body nutrients I’m sure it’s been lacking for a while. Can anyone suggest a brand or what you use? Also, I think vitamins use to upset my stomach if I remember right. Has anyone else had this problem? One more thing I’d like to know is does taking vitamins make you feel better? Thanks for any suggestions on vitamin brands and such, Paul
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I’m considering to start taking daily vitamins to give my body nutrients I’m sure it’s been lacking for a while.
Do you eat poorly? Can anyone suggest a brand or what you use?
I doubt you need one at all. Also, I think vitamins use to upset my stomach if I remember right. Has anyone else had this problem?
Don’t take on an empty stomach but if you have eaten, you probably don’t need the vit. One more thing I’d like to know is does taking vitamins make you feel better?
Yes, if you like to feel your wallet lightened. Thanks for any suggestions on vitamin brands and such,
Welcome. http://www.allthesky.com/eclipses/lunareclipse01a.html Lift well, Eat less, Walk fast, Live long.
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Hello all, I’m considering to start taking daily vitamins to give my body nutrients I’m sure it’s been lacking for a while. Can anyone suggest a brand or what you use? Also, I think vitamins use to upset my stomach if I remember right. Has anyone else had this problem? One more thing I’d like to know is does taking vitamins make you feel better? Thanks for any suggestions on vitamin brands and such,
They say that if you eat a healthy, well-balanced diet, you don’t need vitamins. But, who eats a diet THAT healthy and well-balanced? Not me, even though I try. I’d suggest just about any general multi vitamin, I wouldn’t go for anything pricey or fancy. det
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No I don’t eat poorly, but I’ve heard it’s good to take vitamins to assure your getting nutrients you may not get in the foods you eat.
That’s the point. When I went on the 2 pond diet, which cut my food intake over 50%, I asked my cardiologist, who prescribed the diet for me, what he thought about vits. No need and he showed me the research citations. I asked other researchers, Same conclusions. Seriously, when was the last time you heard of a healthy someone, who eats regularly, having an issue with vits? If I remember right I took vitamins at breakfast and had a discomfort in my stomach at the time.
Some people simply do not digest them well. I asked does taking vitamins make you feel good? You stated yes if you like to feel your wallet lightened. I’m asking if you feel any better taking them?
No and I took them for a month and quit. Forgive me if I’m reading your response wrong, but it appears your giving me a smart answer.
I am trying to make you think before you spend your money unwisely. Excepting the fact that certain vits and minerals, in excess, can be bad for men, if you want to take them, go right ahead. http://www.allthesky.com/eclipses/lunareclipse01a.html Lift well, Eat less, Walk fast, Live long.
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No I don’t eat poorly, but I’ve heard it’s good to take vitamins to assure your getting nutrients you may not get in the foods you eat. If I remember right I took vitamins at breakfast and had a discomfort in my stomach at the time. I don’t know what you mean by I probably don’t need the vitamins. I asked does taking vitamins make you feel good? You stated yes if you like to feel your wallet lightened. I’m asking if you feel any better taking them? Forgive me if I’m reading your response wrong, but it appears your giving me a smart answer.
Forget this guy – he’s the resident troll. det
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No I don’t eat poorly, but I’ve heard it’s good to take vitamins to assure your getting nutrients you may not get in the foods you eat. If I remember right I took vitamins at breakfast and had a discomfort in my stomach at the time. I don’t know what you mean by I probably don’t need the vitamins. I asked does taking vitamins make you feel good? You stated yes if you like to feel your wallet lightened. I’m asking if you feel any better taking them? Forgive me if I’m reading your response wrong, but it appears your giving me a smart answer. Paul – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – I’m considering to start taking daily vitamins to give my body nutrients I’m sure it’s been lacking for a while. . Do you eat poorly? Can anyone suggest a brand or what you use? I doubt you need one at all. Also, I think vitamins use to upset my stomach if I remember right. Has anyone else had this problem? Don’t take on an empty stomach but if you have eaten, you probably don’t need the vit. One more thing I’d like to know is does taking vitamins make you feel better? Yes, if you like to feel your wallet lightened. Thanks for any suggestions on vitamin brands and such, Welcome. http://www.allthesky.com/eclipses/lunareclipse01a.html Lift well, Eat less, Walk fast, Live long.
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Excuse me — the RDA is based on food, not pills. Forget about pills, there are a number of nutrients that are better absorbed from food than pills. Two are fiber and anti-oxidants. – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – No I don’t eat poorly, but I’ve heard it’s good to take vitamins to assure your getting nutrients you may not get in the foods you eat. If I remember right I took vitamins at breakfast and had a discomfort in my stomach at the time. I don’t know what you mean by I probably don’t need the vitamins. I asked does taking vitamins make you feel good? You stated yes if you like to feel your wallet lightened. I’m asking if you feel any better taking them? Forgive me if I’m reading your response wrong, but it appears your giving me a smart answer. Paul I’m considering to start taking daily vitamins to give my body nutrients I’m sure it’s been lacking for a while. . Do you eat poorly? Can anyone suggest a brand or what you use? I doubt you need one at all. Also, I think vitamins use to upset my stomach if I remember right. Has anyone else had this problem? Don’t take on an empty stomach but if you have eaten, you probably don’t need the vit. One more thing I’d like to know is does taking vitamins make you feel better? Yes, if you like to feel your wallet lightened. Thanks for any suggestions on vitamin brands and such, Welcome. http://www.allthesky.com/eclipses/lunareclipse01a.html Lift well, Eat less, Walk fast, Live long.
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Vegetables, fruit, juice, whole grains, meat, eggs, milk products (if you can tolerate them) and dried beans/peas/lentils. – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – Hello all, I’m considering to start taking daily vitamins to give my body nutrients I’m sure it’s been lacking for a while. Can anyone suggest a brand or what you use? Also, I think vitamins use to upset my stomach if I remember right. Has anyone else had this problem? One more thing I’d like to know is does taking vitamins make you feel better? Thanks for any suggestions on vitamin brands and such, Paul
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They say that if you eat a healthy, well-balanced diet, you don’t need vitamins. But, who eats a diet THAT healthy and well-balanced?
Damn near all of America. http://www.allthesky.com/eclipses/lunareclipse01a.html Lift well, Eat less, Walk fast, Live long.
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Hello all, I’m considering to start taking daily vitamins to give my body nutrients I’m sure it’s been lacking for a while. Can anyone suggest a brand or what you use? Also, I think vitamins use to upset my stomach if I remember right. Has anyone else had this problem? One more thing I’d like to know is does taking vitamins make you feel better? Thanks for any suggestions on vitamin brands and such, Paul
I take Flinstone’s vitamins 
I can never remember to take my own .. but I always remember to give my kid hers. I just take 2 of them. ~Kat "I think I would like to call myself ‘the girl who wanted to be God’. Yet if I were not in this body, where would I be–perhaps I am destined to be classified and qualified. But, oh, I cry out aginst it." –Sylvia Plath
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Forget this guy – he’s the resident troll.
Spoken by the resident whore. http://www.allthesky.com/eclipses/lunareclipse01a.html Lift well, Eat less, Walk fast, Live long.
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Hi Paul, I take many vitamins every day, including: 1) Multi – I like vitalert. You can get a big bottle of it at Sams or Costco. 2) Vit C – 1000 extra mg every night before bed 3) Fish Oil – 1 capsule in morn/1 in evening – good for hair, skin and gall bladder if you still have one 4) Co-enzyme – antioxident 5) MSM 1 gram every morning and night- for collagen, joints, skin, hair. I can’t take glucosomine due to glucophage injestion 6) Folic Acid – I am not trying not to get pregnant right now :). However, you may not need it! 7) Zyban, not a vitamin but I haven’t smoked in 2 months, 2 weeks, 1 day, 9 hours, 23 minutes. 
Viactiv – Calcium chews for women – 2 (1000 mg) a day. It is my chocolate craving/calcium all in one. Caramel is my favorite. 20 calories each. 9) Echinecea/goldenseal if I am feeling sick. 10) Green tea every day at work (the actual tea, not supplement) 11) I used to take flax seed oil all of the time but did some research on it. I found out that it is easy to buy it rancid and not know it… so blech! I also take a couple other prescriptions (allegra, glucophage xr, aldactone) a day to assist with allergies and my PCOs. I don’t have a problem with med/vitamins upsetting my tummy at all. Actually, I’ve been known to take the whole handful with one small sip of water. (Note – I am not looking for criticism about the number of vitamins I take. I’ve cleared this list with my endo and dietician) — Email me at: perpleglow(AT)comcast.net
– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – Hello all, I’m considering to start taking daily vitamins to give my body nutrients I’m sure it’s been lacking for a while. Can anyone suggest a brand or what you use? Also, I think vitamins use to upset my stomach if I remember right. Has anyone else had this problem? One more thing I’d like to know is does taking vitamins make you feel better? Thanks for any suggestions on vitamin brands and such, Paul
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They make me feel good. I always take them right AFTER breakfast. — Email me at: perpleglow(AT)comcast.net http://community.webshots.com/user/perpleglow
– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – No I don’t eat poorly, but I’ve heard it’s good to take vitamins to assure your getting nutrients you may not get in the foods you eat. If I remember right I took vitamins at breakfast and had a discomfort in my stomach at the time. I don’t know what you mean by I probably don’t need the vitamins. I asked does taking vitamins make you feel good? You stated yes if you like to feel your wallet lightened. I’m asking if you feel any better taking them? Forgive me if I’m reading your response wrong, but it appears your giving me a smart answer. Paul I’m considering to start taking daily vitamins to give my body nutrients I’m sure it’s been lacking for a while. . Do you eat poorly? Can anyone suggest a brand or what you use? I doubt you need one at all. Also, I think vitamins use to upset my stomach if I remember right. Has anyone else had this problem? Don’t take on an empty stomach but if you have eaten, you probably don’t need the vit. One more thing I’d like to know is does taking vitamins make you feel better? Yes, if you like to feel your wallet lightened. Thanks for any suggestions on vitamin brands and such, Welcome. http://www.allthesky.com/eclipses/lunareclipse01a.html Lift well, Eat less, Walk fast, Live long.
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– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – Hi Paul, I take many vitamins every day, including: 1) Multi – I like vitalert. You can get a big bottle of it at Sams or Costco. 2) Vit C – 1000 extra mg every night before bed 3) Fish Oil – 1 capsule in morn/1 in evening – good for hair, skin and gall bladder if you still have one 4) Co-enzyme – antioxident 5) MSM 1 gram every morning and night- for collagen, joints, skin, hair. I can’t take glucosomine due to glucophage injestion 6) Folic Acid – I am not trying not to get pregnant right now :). However, you may not need it! 7) Zyban, not a vitamin but I haven’t smoked in 2 months, 2 weeks, 1 day, 9 hours, 23 minutes. Viactiv – Calcium chews for women – 2 (1000 mg) a day. It is my chocolate craving/calcium all in one. Caramel is my favorite. 20 calories each. 9) Echinecea/goldenseal if I am feeling sick. 10) Green tea every day at work (the actual tea, not supplement) 11) I used to take flax seed oil all of the time but did some research on it. I found out that it is easy to buy it rancid and not know it… so blech!
<rolling eyes Complete and total bullshit and a waste of tons of money. http://www.allthesky.com/eclipses/lunareclipse01a.html Lift well, Eat less, Walk fast, Live long.
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I am a mortgage banker, god has nothing to do with it! — Email me at: perpleglow(AT)comcast.net http://community.webshots.com/user/perpleglow – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – Its ok… I have plenty of money to waste on it! Complete and total bullshit and a waste of tons of money. then you have wasted a God given resource for no count whatsoever. http://www.allthesky.com/eclipses/lunareclipse01a.html Lift well, Eat less, Walk fast, Live long.
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Its ok… I have plenty of money to waste on it! – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – Complete and total bullshit and a waste of tons of money.
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Excuse me — the RDA is based on food, not pills.
Excuse me — the (US Govt) RDA is based on junk-science, and the FDA is corrupt. I have lost fifty pounds in four months, no exercise, with: Daily, at noon: 1 Therma Pro with Ma Haung (ephedra) 1 Norexin with Ma Haung [half the two-pill "dose"] 1 TwinLab Cellmins Potassium, Magnesium & Taurine 1 200mcg chromium picolinate 1 500mg vitamin c 1 400mg vitamin e (soft-cap) 1 225mcg iodine (in 45mg KAL kelp) 1 500mg green tea extract (NSI) 1 Nature’s Benefits Herbal Energizer multi-ginseng formula 1 Kings Power Plus (a "mens" pill with yohimbe and some B-vitamins) 1 "junk generic close multi-vitamin pill" (Thera-Vites) A handful of dry-roasted peanutsor plain slices of whole-wheat bread (usually a flavorful variety like Brownberry Buttermilk). 1 Sobe "Love Bus" chocolate-milk/ginseng drink to wash everything down. Or Sobe Orange-Mango, Strawberry-dacqueri, and some of the Arizona-brand teas (I like the flavor in the blue bottle, forget its name) for variety. — The ephedra is the "meat and potatoes" of this formula; the rest is probably just junk (I bought a lot of the other stuff off the clearance racks at the local dollar-store, although the Herbal Energizer produces a noticable boost); ephedra kills the appetite, allowing you to blow off dinner and breakfast for another Sobe and peanuts (or other light snack). And one other tidbit for all you guys out there: The smaller your belly gets, the harder your *dick* gets. — "An election is nothing more than an advance auction of stolen goods." – Ambrose Bierce
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I am a mortgage banker, god has nothing to do with it!
Good luck having your fees get you into eternal life. http://www.allthesky.com/eclipses/lunareclipse01a.html Lift well, Eat less, Walk fast, Live long.
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Its ok… I have plenty of money to waste on it! Complete and total bullshit and a waste of tons of money.
then you have wasted a God given resource for no count whatsoever. http://www.allthesky.com/eclipses/lunareclipse01a.html Lift well, Eat less, Walk fast, Live long.
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I make up vitamin bins every two weeks. I increase his dose of Niacin each time. Each time he complains of flushing and I leave him at the new dose for two weeks. The guy’s never been thrilled about me finding out his cholesterol level.
Has he tried slow-release niacin? I get it online — http://www.endur.com/index.cfm?fuseaction=products.displayproduct&id=25. I’ve been taking this for my cholesterol for about 4 years now, with good results. I haven’t had my cholesterol tested since I’ve lost weight, though, and I want to do that soon. (Except for at the blood donor clinic, where they just notify you if yours is high enough to be cause for concern.) Chris
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Hello all, I’m considering to start taking daily vitamins to give my body nutrients I’m sure it’s been lacking for a while. Can anyone suggest a brand or what you use? Also, I think vitamins use to upset my stomach if I remember right. Has anyone else had this problem? One more thing I’d like to know is does taking vitamins make you feel better?
Let’s see, I take quite a few. I take a calcium supplement, generic multivitamin with iron, extra 500 mg vitamin C, a CLA capsule (don’t ask, it was a gift) and 1/4 aspirin (I cut it with my pillcutter) and a 400 mcg of chromium piccolinate (I used to be insulin resistant but I probably don’t need it anymore) and 2 of my 3 tablets of glucosamin/chondroitin/msm. When I’m not taking CLA (a fatty acid) then I might take fish oil capsules or vitamin E. Sometimes I take a caffeine pill and ephedrine HCl. My husband’s bin is completely different. He has vitamin E, Niacin, some plant steroid thing, 1/4 aspirin, a multivitamin without iron and a 500 mg of C. I make up vitamin bins every two weeks. I increase his dose of Niacin each time. Each time he complains of flushing and I leave him at the new dose for two weeks. The guy’s never been thrilled about me finding out his cholesterol level. Dally
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- Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – I make up vitamin bins every two weeks. I increase his dose of Niacin each time. Each time he complains of flushing and I leave him at the new dose for two weeks. The guy’s never been thrilled about me finding out his cholesterol level. Has he tried slow-release niacin? I get it online — http://www.endur.com/index.cfm?fuseaction=products.displayproduct&id=25. I’ve been taking this for my cholesterol for about 4 years now, with good results. I haven’t had my cholesterol tested since I’ve lost weight, though, and I want to do that soon. (Except for at the blood donor clinic, where they just notify you if yours is high enough to be cause for concern.) Chris
Thanks, I bookmarked the page. I think that’s what I’ve got him on now. I’ve been ramping up the dose very, very slowly. He only flushes for the first day or two of each new dose. Dally
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Utterly pointless, but I’ve been wondering about this for some time now. How do you say PCOS? Do you say Pee-See-Oh-Es or Pee-Kos or something completely different? Jeni, bored and pondering various things. — The world owes all its onward impulses to men ill at ease. The happy man confines himself within ancient limits. -Nathaniel Hawthorne
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Jeni, It’s just letter by letter……..P C O S. Nothing different. Angel "Jeni" <paquere…@adelphia.net> wrote in message
news:3FF4C6D3.EE9428FE@adelphia.net… – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text -> Utterly pointless, but I’ve been wondering about this for some time > now. How do you say PCOS? Do you say Pee-See-Oh-Es or Pee-Kos or > something completely different? > Jeni, bored and pondering various things. > — > The world owes all its onward impulses to men ill at ease. The happy > man confines himself within ancient limits. -Nathaniel Hawthorne
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– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – Do you agree with the OP’s contention that carbohydrates are "a potent drug" that people become "addicted" to? I think it’s entirely reasonable to assert that for some people, eating simple carbs leads to the compulsion to eat more carbs–not only psychologically, but physiologically. Simple carbs can also cause withdrawal–e.g., a post-sugar crash. I myself wouldn’t call simple carbs drugs but I’m open to convincing that one could develop an addiction to simple carbs. Cate Well, then, how do you explain all of us on the Atkins diet just giving them up ‘cold turkey’ for two weeks and then coming to testify that once we had finished the Induction period items with sugar in them seem too sweet–and even repellant? It must not be much of an "addiction" if it is so easily broken. Psychologically, maybe, but I am not convinced of the physiological addictive characterization. Pat in TX
I think it depends on the individual’s insulin response, amongst other things. I think perhaps, that for someone who is not diabetic nor insulin resistant, the abstinance from simple carbs is the breaking of a habit, but for someone insulin resistant/hyper-insulinemic/diabetic, it’s the breaking of a cycle. — Nancy Howells (don’t forget to switch it, and replace the 
to send mail).
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Oh. It sounded like it was going to the "it’s not my fault that I’m fat–I had no choice!’ argument that I get so weary of hearing. I got this way one spoonful at a time. I can’t even blame the caffeine because I went off of that in 1991–cold turkey. Such a headache I had! But after several hours, it was gone, never to plague me again. But carbohydrates? Food as an addiction? Bah humbug! Pat in TX
I disagree. I think I’m am psychologically and physiologically addicted to sugar. When I eat something with too many carbs or too sweet, it sets up an intense craving. Even after low carbing for a year. I actually feel like I’m jonesing for sugar. But even though I feel I am addicted to sugar, I still claim full responsibility for my eating habits. Yvonne
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It’s best viewed when high. <G | Digressing for a moment: have you seen that bizzare propoganda piece? | It is so surreal that you wonder how any person ever believed it even | for a second. I wonder if the folks who were involved in making it | are ashamed of themselves. | | — | revek www.geocities.com/tanirevek/LowCarb.html lowcarbing since | June 2002 5′2" 41 F 165+/too much/size seven petite | please | Define the Universe and give three examples. – Anonymous
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writes: Well, then, how do you explain all of us on the Atkins diet just giving them up ‘cold turkey’ for two weeks and then coming to testify that once we had finished the Induction period items with sugar in them seem too sweet–and even repellant? It’s not ‘all of us’ that respond that way. Metabolism, food cravings, insulin issues, and addiction are all individualized processes. What you crave and why probably isn’t the same as what I experience. After a month of doing LC, I still want sweet things. I just don’t want them as much as I want to lose weight.
I can’t tell if I still want sweet things or not. I look at them in the store and feel sort of wistful, but I don’t feel the physical cravings. I remember liking them a lot, but I don’t feel drawn to them. It’s almost as though I now have a disembodied sweet tooth. Or disembodied taste buds. Still there, but not entirely there. It’s really weird — and hard to explain, obviously. Daria 166/148/140 sugar-free since 2/1/04 low-carb since 2/17/04
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I disagree. I think I’m am psychologically and physiologically addicted to sugar. When I eat something with too many carbs or too sweet, it sets up an intense craving. Even after low carbing for a year. I actually feel like I’m jonesing for sugar.
I use to believe I had psychological problems with sugar/food. If anything, Atkins has shown me that I was physiologically addicted. And yes, I’ll say addicted. My PCOS and insulin resistance took my body over the edge with cravings every time I ate even moderate amounts of carbs. When my body betrays me like that over a substance, I’ll call it an addiction. Obviously it wasn’t beyond my control, since once I had the proper tools (information that is) I could not only slam the brakes on it, but throw in back in to reverse. LCing since 12/01/03- Me- 5′7" 265/220/140 & hubby- 6′ 310/239/180
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It’s almost as though I now have a disembodied sweet tooth. Or disembodied taste buds. Still there, but not entirely there. It’s really weird — and hard to explain, obviously.
Actually I think ‘disembodied’ is an apt way to describe what I’m feeling as well. I see the Reese’s, the ice cream, the French bread–and I just don’t picture myself buying it or eating it anymore, although I long for the taste of it in my mouth. But the compulsion to have the stuff in my mouth and sliding down my throat has somehow lessened. Cate
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I myself wouldn’t call simple carbs drugs but I’m open to convincing that one could develop an addiction to simple carbs. Well, then, how do you explain all of us on the Atkins diet just giving them up ‘cold turkey’ for two weeks and then coming to testify that once we had finished the Induction period items with sugar in them seem too sweet–and even repellant? It must not be much of an "addiction" if it is so easily broken. Psychologically, maybe, but I am not convinced of the physiological addictive characterization.
Because of falling off the wagon. A two week detox program may be enough, once. But many who eat sugar the next time head quickly into a binge and they have to detox all over again. That’s a classic addictive behavior pattern no matter that the detox phase is less intense than injected drugs. I’m lucky from a straight carbs and glycemic index and insulin rush account. But I still have addiction problems from the other half of the Atkins plan. Trigger foods. I have problems with wheat, corn and some other foods. If I eat those I have a severe danger of falling off the wagon and needing to detox again.
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I love pizza but I don’t eat it very often. My diet is a TKD diet (targeted ketogenic diet), which means that I eat extra carbs before and after major workouts (things like trail runs of over 100 mins or bike rides of 2 to 4 hours). This works great for me because I have the energy I need for high intensity efforts, and also I can eat some of my favorite carb foods at a time when my body really wants them. After an intense trail run of 2 hours I can readily absorb 2 or 3 pieces of pizza with no side effects – but if I eat pizza at other times it knocks me out and I even feel groggy the next morning – like a carb hangover. This just shows that carbs are not only a high energy food source, but also effectively a potent drug. No wonder people are so addicted. – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – .i’ve been doing low-carb (semi-atkins) for about 3 months .i never did real induction, just started off at about 30 g carbs per day, sometimes a little more .so far i’ve lost 20 pounds .got about 50-60 more to go .no problem… i love eating this way… especially since Breyer’s Carb Smart ice cream appeared .one of the things i missed the most was pizza .i used to live on DiGorno’s frozen rising crust spicy chicken pizzas .i decided to take some starch blocker and treat myself to a little pizza (it’s the first time since i’ve started that i’ve eaten a high-carb item) .within 5 minutes of finishing the single serving pizza i found myself getting VERY drowsy .it wouldn’t be far off to say that i passed out .i took a 1-hour "nap" .i never sleep after eating .i felt slow and drugged for a couple of hours afterward .i was ok the next morning .i may repeat this experiment in a month or so because this time i was caught unaaware… it sneaked up on me .next time i’m going to be paying very close attention to my reactions ?has anyone else had a similar experience heron — unDO email address ___ Nature, heron stone must be obeyed. http://home.comcast.net/~heronstone/
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berlin.de: Do you agree with the OP’s contention that carbohydrates are "a potent drug" that people become "addicted" to?
I think it’s entirely reasonable to assert that for some people, eating simple carbs leads to the compulsion to eat more carbs–not only psychologically, but physiologically. Simple carbs can also cause withdrawal–e.g., a post-sugar crash. I myself wouldn’t call simple carbs drugs but I’m open to convincing that one could develop an addiction to simple carbs. Cate
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Do you agree with the OP’s contention that carbohydrates are "a potent drug" that people become "addicted" to? I think that’s nonsense.
Hi Pat, It sounds likely that the OP has been involved with Overeaters Anonymous. That’s what they preach. Carol — 227/220.5/150 Atkins since March 12, 2004 Type 2 Diabetic since May 15, 2001 This is what backsliding does: http://photos.yahoo.com/carol_arie
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Cate burbled across the ether: The clinical definition of addiction has to do more with physiology (e.g., tolerance, withdrawal) than it does with Reefer Madness.
Digressing for a moment: have you seen that bizzare propoganda piece? It is so surreal that you wonder how any person ever believed it even for a second. I wonder if the folks who were involved in making it are ashamed of themselves. — revek www.geocities.com/tanirevek/LowCarb.html lowcarbing since June 2002 5′2" 41 F 165+/too much/size seven petite please Define the Universe and give three examples. – Anonymous
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Why do this for another month and put yourself thru that? Also, you might want to think that another month of doing that may ruin all your hard work to drop those 20 lbs. and instead you may gain it all back. Then think how you will feel. Why go to sleep when you don’t want to for another month when you can just give up the addiction and feel better? I know it is hard but you should just give it up. lowcarb_newbie 352/352/185 – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – That ‘forced nap’ response is one of the reasons why I avoid carbs. The other is weight gain. jo .i’ve been doing low-carb (semi-atkins) for about 3 months .i never did real induction, just started off at about 30 g carbs per day, sometimes a little more .so far i’ve lost 20 pounds .got about 50-60 more to go .no problem… i love eating this way… especially since Breyer’s Carb Smart ice cream appeared .one of the things i missed the most was pizza .i used to live on DiGorno’s frozen rising crust spicy chicken pizzas .i decided to take some starch blocker and treat myself to a little pizza (it’s the first time since i’ve started that i’ve eaten a high-carb item) .within 5 minutes of finishing the single serving pizza i found myself getting VERY drowsy .it wouldn’t be far off to say that i passed out .i took a 1-hour "nap" .i never sleep after eating .i felt slow and drugged for a couple of hours afterward .i was ok the next morning .i may repeat this experiment in a month or so because this time i was caught unaaware… it sneaked up on me .next time i’m going to be paying very close attention to my reactions ?has anyone else had a similar experience heron — unDO email address ___ Nature, heron stone must be obeyed. http://home.comcast.net/~heronstone/
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– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – .i decided to take some starch blocker and treat myself to a little pizza (it’s the first time since i’ve started that i’ve eaten a high-carb item) .within 5 minutes of finishing the single serving pizza i found myself getting VERY drowsy .it wouldn’t be far off to say that i passed out .i took a 1-hour "nap" .i never sleep after eating .i felt slow and drugged for a couple of hours afterward .i was ok the next morning .i may repeat this experiment in a month or so because this time i was caught unaaware… it sneaked up on me .next time i’m going to be paying very close attention to my reactions ?has anyone else had a similar experience heron
I’ve never had this experience but I would not discount the starch blocker. People react strangely to some substance and one never knows. It sounds too scary to repeat, IMHO.
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.i decided to take some starch blocker and treat myself to a little pizza (it’s the first time since i’ve started that i’ve eaten a high-carb item) .within 5 minutes of finishing the single serving pizza i found myself getting VERY drowsy .it wouldn’t be far off to say that i passed out .i took a 1-hour "nap" .i never sleep after eating .i felt slow and drugged for a couple of hours afterward .i was ok the next morning
This sounds to me like the carbs caused a big release of insulin, which in turn caused your blood sugar to go far too low and stay low for quite a while. If you have access to a way to measure your blood glucose levels (i.e. a glucometer), repeat the process and test to get some solid numbers. Since blood sugar levels tend to change quickly, you might try testing every 15 minutes after a meal for 2-3 hours to try to get close to the real high and low numbers. I’ve never heard of Starch Blockers having any real effect on this process. They are made from a protein derived from a type of bean, and protein gets digested in the stomach – so it never gets to the intestines where it would theoretically do its work preventing absorption of carbs. That is why they say "They work in a test tube but not in the body".
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*snip* .within 5 minutes of finishing the single serving pizza i found myself getting VERY drowsy .it wouldn’t be far off to say that i passed out .i took a 1-hour "nap" .i never sleep after eating .i felt slow and drugged for a couple of hours afterward
it sounds to me like exactly the same reaction i get when eating high-carb foods… knocks me right out, gives me stomachaches, sometimes even headaches. i would guess that the starch/carb-blocker thing you took didn’t do anything. the first time i saw them advertised i laughed myself right off the couch. jen red meat isn’t bad for you… fuzzy blue-green meat is bad for you
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It’s also great to take the toppings off and roll them inside a low carb tortilla for a pizza burrito. Scott
– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – ?has anyone else had a similar experience No, but I never risk eating pizza crust. I scrape all the topping off a couple of slices, and eat that (dumping the crust down the disposal immediately). The topping’s super yummy and much lower carb than eating the whole slice! Try it sometime. (Best when you get several different toppings on one pizza.) – Anne
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I’ve tried the whole pizza experience, it doesn’t live up to my memories, except maybe Pizza Factory but we have ordered that one time since Jan (last week) — Peace, Lori 220/143/135 LC since 1/17/03 My Closure of the year 2003 Challenge goal: 145/140 http://community.webshots.com/user/lorismiller-date
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That ‘forced nap’ response is one of the reasons why I avoid carbs. The other is weight gain. jo
– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – .i’ve been doing low-carb (semi-atkins) for about 3 months .i never did real induction, just started off at about 30 g carbs per day, sometimes a little more .so far i’ve lost 20 pounds .got about 50-60 more to go .no problem… i love eating this way… especially since Breyer’s Carb Smart ice cream appeared .one of the things i missed the most was pizza .i used to live on DiGorno’s frozen rising crust spicy chicken pizzas .i decided to take some starch blocker and treat myself to a little pizza (it’s the first time since i’ve started that i’ve eaten a high-carb item) .within 5 minutes of finishing the single serving pizza i found myself getting VERY drowsy .it wouldn’t be far off to say that i passed out .i took a 1-hour "nap" .i never sleep after eating .i felt slow and drugged for a couple of hours afterward .i was ok the next morning .i may repeat this experiment in a month or so because this time i was caught unaaware… it sneaked up on me .next time i’m going to be paying very close attention to my reactions ?has anyone else had a similar experience heron — unDO email address ___ Nature, heron stone must be obeyed. http://home.comcast.net/~heronstone/
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.i’ve been doing low-carb (semi-atkins) for about 3 months .i never did real induction, just started off at about 30 g carbs per day, sometimes a little more .so far i’ve lost 20 pounds .got about 50-60 more to go .no problem… i love eating this way… especially since Breyer’s Carb Smart ice cream appeared .one of the things i missed the most was pizza .i used to live on DiGorno’s frozen rising crust spicy chicken pizzas .i decided to take some starch blocker and treat myself to a little pizza (it’s the first time since i’ve started that i’ve eaten a high-carb item) .within 5 minutes of finishing the single serving pizza i found myself getting VERY drowsy .it wouldn’t be far off to say that i passed out .i took a 1-hour "nap" .i never sleep after eating .i felt slow and drugged for a couple of hours afterward .i was ok the next morning .i may repeat this experiment in a month or so because this time i was caught unaaware… it sneaked up on me .next time i’m going to be paying very close attention to my reactions ?has anyone else had a similar experience heron — unDO email address ___ Nature, heron stone must be obeyed. http://home.comcast.net/~heronstone/
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?has anyone else had a similar experience
No, but I never risk eating pizza crust. I scrape all the topping off a couple of slices, and eat that (dumping the crust down the disposal immediately). The topping’s super yummy and much lower carb than eating the whole slice! Try it sometime. (Best when you get several different toppings on one pizza.) – Anne
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I’ve noticed that now that I’ve been on LC, I don’t need that much sleep to get along in life. In the morning, I wake up just alive. When I look at the clock, I’m amazed how early it is. Those extra hours and energy really come in handy. …..and NO afternoon "naps" either!
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My wife went thru 3 rounds of IVFs the past 9 months. The last failed IVF was in July/Aug. We have decided to give it a rest on meds and try on our own. In Sept her period was normal but in October she was 10 days late but not pregnant. Finally her RE put her on Provera to induce a period. So the question is what causes this—not to have a period, not to shred uterine lining?
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So the question is what causes this—not to have a period, not to shred uterine lining?
Hormone imblances consistan with pre-monopause or PCOS. Since I dont know her age its hard to give an idea. I would say possibly her hormones are a mess from all of the shots she took. If the problem continues then I would investigate it deeper. *~`~ Cyndie ~`~* Our lives are not measured by the number of breaths we take, but by the number of moments that take our breath away.
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Cyndie, My wife is 34 and does not have PCOS. So I don’t know… – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – So the question is what causes this—not to have a period, not to shred uterine lining? Hormone imblances consistan with pre-monopause or PCOS. Since I dont know her age its hard to give an idea. I would say possibly her hormones are a mess from all of the shots she took. If the problem continues then I would investigate it deeper. *~`~ Cyndie ~`~* Our lives are not measured by the number of breaths we take, but by the number of moments that take our breath away.
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I just got back from my monthly Curves measure session. I was pretty psyched. Here are the results: 7-30-03 to 11-1-03 BUST 52 46.5 WAIST 46 39.5 ABDOMEN 59 49.5 HIPS 54 50 THIGHS 28 26.5 CALVES 17 15.75 ARMS 16 12.5 BODY FAT 43.8% 39.3% They measure my right Thigh, Calf and Arm since I am right-handed. 38 inches total in 3 months, 10 inches since 10-4-03! Also, I had my fasting blood work done on 10-23-03. Here are some of those results: Cholesterol: 138 (It used to be over 217 – don’t remember the other numbers) Triglyceride: 80 (0-200 normal) HDL: 43 (35-85 normal) LDL: 79 (60-130 normal) Cholesterol/HDL: 3.2 (0-4.4 normal) Calcium: 10.3 (8.5-10.5 normal) Protein: 7.7 (6.4-8.3 normal) Glucose: 85 I feel better and stronger then ever. Since I’ve started this, my TOM has also regulated. Due to PCOS, that doesn’t occur often!! Adela 284/235/199/??? — Email me at: perpleglow(AT)comcast.net
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Thank you!!!! — Email me at: perpleglow(AT)comcast.net
– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – Wow! You’re doing great! Chris
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Wow! You’re doing great! Chris
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Keep it up! This wonderful improvement HAS to make you feel great! Dan – 305/290/220
– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – I just got back from my monthly Curves measure session. I was pretty psyched. Here are the results: 7-30-03 to 11-1-03 BUST 52 46.5 WAIST 46 39.5 ABDOMEN 59 49.5 HIPS 54 50 THIGHS 28 26.5 CALVES 17 15.75 ARMS 16 12.5 BODY FAT 43.8% 39.3% They measure my right Thigh, Calf and Arm since I am right-handed. 38 inches total in 3 months, 10 inches since 10-4-03! Also, I had my fasting blood work done on 10-23-03. Here are some of those results: Cholesterol: 138 (It used to be over 217 – don’t remember the other numbers) Triglyceride: 80 (0-200 normal) HDL: 43 (35-85 normal) LDL: 79 (60-130 normal) Cholesterol/HDL: 3.2 (0-4.4 normal) Calcium: 10.3 (8.5-10.5 normal) Protein: 7.7 (6.4-8.3 normal) Glucose: 85 I feel better and stronger then ever. Since I’ve started this, my TOM has also regulated. Due to PCOS, that doesn’t occur often!! Adela 284/235/199/??? — Email me at: perpleglow(AT)comcast.net
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Rock on Perple Susan 260/210/160 (I hit that -50 lb mark yesterday — 1month 3weeks 3days 7:44hours of being smoke-free, 2,173 cigs not smoked, $402.01 saved, 1wweek 13:05hours of my life saved
– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – I just got back from my monthly Curves measure session. I was pretty psyched. Here are the results: 7-30-03 to 11-1-03 BUST 52 46.5 WAIST 46 39.5 ABDOMEN 59 49.5 HIPS 54 50 THIGHS 28 26.5 CALVES 17 15.75 ARMS 16 12.5 BODY FAT 43.8% 39.3% They measure my right Thigh, Calf and Arm since I am right-handed. 38 inches total in 3 months, 10 inches since 10-4-03! Also, I had my fasting blood work done on 10-23-03. Here are some of those results: Cholesterol: 138 (It used to be over 217 – don’t remember the other numbers) Triglyceride: 80 (0-200 normal) HDL: 43 (35-85 normal) LDL: 79 (60-130 normal) Cholesterol/HDL: 3.2 (0-4.4 normal) Calcium: 10.3 (8.5-10.5 normal) Protein: 7.7 (6.4-8.3 normal) Glucose: 85 I feel better and stronger then ever. Since I’ve started this, my TOM has also regulated. Due to PCOS, that doesn’t occur often!! Adela 284/235/199/??? — Email me at: perpleglow(AT)comcast.net
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They measure my right Thigh, Calf and Arm since I am right-handed. 38 inches total in 3 months, 10 inches since 10-4-03!
Odd – on me, my right-side measurements are smaller than my left, and I am right handed… go figure… Fabulous results btw, keep up the good work! det
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Thank you very much! As long as they measure the same side consistently, I am fine with it! — Email me at: perpleglow(AT)comcast.net
– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – They measure my right Thigh, Calf and Arm since I am right-handed. 38 inches total in 3 months, 10 inches since 10-4-03! Odd – on me, my right-side measurements are smaller than my left, and I am right handed… go figure… Fabulous results btw, keep up the good work! det
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Thanks! — Email me at: perpleglow(AT)comcast.net
– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – Rock on Perple Susan 260/210/160 (I hit that -50 lb mark yesterday — 1month 3weeks 3days 7:44hours of being smoke-free, 2,173 cigs not smoked, $402.01 saved, 1wweek 13:05hours of my life saved I just got back from my monthly Curves measure session. I was pretty psyched. Here are the results: 7-30-03 to 11-1-03 BUST 52 46.5 WAIST 46 39.5 ABDOMEN 59 49.5 HIPS 54 50 THIGHS 28 26.5 CALVES 17 15.75 ARMS 16 12.5 BODY FAT 43.8% 39.3% They measure my right Thigh, Calf and Arm since I am right-handed. 38 inches total in 3 months, 10 inches since 10-4-03! Also, I had my fasting blood work done on 10-23-03. Here are some of those results: Cholesterol: 138 (It used to be over 217 – don’t remember the other numbers) Triglyceride: 80 (0-200 normal) HDL: 43 (35-85 normal) LDL: 79 (60-130 normal) Cholesterol/HDL: 3.2 (0-4.4 normal) Calcium: 10.3 (8.5-10.5 normal) Protein: 7.7 (6.4-8.3 normal) Glucose: 85 I feel better and stronger then ever. Since I’ve started this, my TOM has also regulated. Due to PCOS, that doesn’t occur often!! Adela 284/235/199/??? — Email me at: perpleglow(AT)comcast.net
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It does, thanks so much! — Email me at: perpleglow(AT)comcast.net – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – Keep it up! This wonderful improvement HAS to make you feel great! Dan – 305/290/220 I just got back from my monthly Curves measure session. I was pretty psyched. Here are the results: 7-30-03 to 11-1-03 BUST 52 46.5 WAIST 46 39.5 ABDOMEN 59 49.5 HIPS 54 50 THIGHS 28 26.5 CALVES 17 15.75 ARMS 16 12.5 BODY FAT 43.8% 39.3% They measure my right Thigh, Calf and Arm since I am right-handed. 38 inches total in 3 months, 10 inches since 10-4-03! Also, I had my fasting blood work done on 10-23-03. Here are some of those results: Cholesterol: 138 (It used to be over 217 – don’t remember the other numbers) Triglyceride: 80 (0-200 normal) HDL: 43 (35-85 normal) LDL: 79 (60-130 normal) Cholesterol/HDL: 3.2 (0-4.4 normal) Calcium: 10.3 (8.5-10.5 normal) Protein: 7.7 (6.4-8.3 normal) Glucose: 85 I feel better and stronger then ever. Since I’ve started this, my TOM has also regulated. Due to PCOS, that doesn’t occur often!! Adela 284/235/199/??? — Email me at: perpleglow(AT)comcast.net
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Thank you very much…. yes it did! My BP was tested at 98/62 last week as well!!! — Email me at: perpleglow(AT)comcast.net
– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – What an amazing improvement in your health. Your cholesterol dropped like a rock. i I just got back from my monthly Curves measure session. I was pretty psyched. Here are the results: 7-30-03 to 11-1-03 BUST 52 46.5 WAIST 46 39.5 ABDOMEN 59 49.5 HIPS 54 50 THIGHS 28 26.5 CALVES 17 15.75 ARMS 16 12.5 BODY FAT 43.8% 39.3% They measure my right Thigh, Calf and Arm since I am right-handed. 38 inches total in 3 months, 10 inches since 10-4-03! Also, I had my fasting blood work done on 10-23-03. Here are some of those results: Cholesterol: 138 (It used to be over 217 – don’t remember the other numbers) Triglyceride: 80 (0-200 normal) HDL: 43 (35-85 normal) LDL: 79 (60-130 normal) Cholesterol/HDL: 3.2 (0-4.4 normal) Calcium: 10.3 (8.5-10.5 normal) Protein: 7.7 (6.4-8.3 normal) Glucose: 85 I feel better and stronger then ever. Since I’ve started this, my TOM has also regulated. Due to PCOS, that doesn’t occur often!! Adela 284/235/199/???
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– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – I just got back from my monthly Curves measure session. I was pretty psyched. Here are the results: 7-30-03 to 11-1-03 BUST 52 46.5 WAIST 46 39.5 ABDOMEN 59 49.5 HIPS 54 50 THIGHS 28 26.5 CALVES 17 15.75 ARMS 16 12.5 BODY FAT 43.8% 39.3% They measure my right Thigh, Calf and Arm since I am right-handed. 38 inches total in 3 months, 10 inches since 10-4-03! Also, I had my fasting blood work done on 10-23-03. Here are some of those results: Cholesterol: 138 (It used to be over 217 – don’t remember the other numbers) Triglyceride: 80 (0-200 normal) HDL: 43 (35-85 normal) LDL: 79 (60-130 normal) Cholesterol/HDL: 3.2 (0-4.4 normal) Calcium: 10.3 (8.5-10.5 normal) Protein: 7.7 (6.4-8.3 normal) Glucose: 85 I feel better and stronger then ever. Since I’ve started this, my TOM has also regulated. Due to PCOS, that doesn’t occur often!! Adela 284/235/199/??? — Email me at: perpleglow(AT)comcast.net
Congratulations on the changes! Keep up the good work. — Jenn 300/145 in maintenance since 10/28/03 Living well is the best revenge
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Thanks!! — Email me at: perpleglow(AT)comcast.net
– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – I just got back from my monthly Curves measure session. I was pretty psyched. Here are the results: 7-30-03 to 11-1-03 BUST 52 46.5 WAIST 46 39.5 ABDOMEN 59 49.5 HIPS 54 50 THIGHS 28 26.5 CALVES 17 15.75 ARMS 16 12.5 BODY FAT 43.8% 39.3% They measure my right Thigh, Calf and Arm since I am right-handed. 38 inches total in 3 months, 10 inches since 10-4-03! Also, I had my fasting blood work done on 10-23-03. Here are some of those results: Cholesterol: 138 (It used to be over 217 – don’t remember the other numbers) Triglyceride: 80 (0-200 normal) HDL: 43 (35-85 normal) LDL: 79 (60-130 normal) Cholesterol/HDL: 3.2 (0-4.4 normal) Calcium: 10.3 (8.5-10.5 normal) Protein: 7.7 (6.4-8.3 normal) Glucose: 85 I feel better and stronger then ever. Since I’ve started this, my TOM has also regulated. Due to PCOS, that doesn’t occur often!! Adela 284/235/199/??? — Email me at: perpleglow(AT)comcast.net Congratulations on the changes! Keep up the good work. — Jenn 300/145 in maintenance since 10/28/03 Living well is the best revenge
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Hey perpl Gyrl, you are doing great, keep up the good work Michelle Ozzie in Switzerland WW WI 69.8 / 63.1 / 61kg 134 lbs – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – I just got back from my monthly Curves measure session. I was pretty psyched. Here are the results: 7-30-03 to 11-1-03 BUST 52 46.5 WAIST 46 39.5 ABDOMEN 59 49.5 HIPS 54 50 THIGHS 28 26.5 CALVES 17 15.75 ARMS 16 12.5 BODY FAT 43.8% 39.3% They measure my right Thigh, Calf and Arm since I am right-handed. 38 inches total in 3 months, 10 inches since 10-4-03! Also, I had my fasting blood work done on 10-23-03. Here are some of those results: Cholesterol: 138 (It used to be over 217 – don’t remember the other numbers) Triglyceride: 80 (0-200 normal) HDL: 43 (35-85 normal) LDL: 79 (60-130 normal) Cholesterol/HDL: 3.2 (0-4.4 normal) Calcium: 10.3 (8.5-10.5 normal) Protein: 7.7 (6.4-8.3 normal) Glucose: 85 I feel better and stronger then ever. Since I’ve started this, my TOM has also regulated. Due to PCOS, that doesn’t occur often!! Adela 284/235/199/???
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WOW – congratulations on some fantastic changes! Beverly
– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – I just got back from my monthly Curves measure session. I was pretty psyched. Here are the results: 7-30-03 to 11-1-03 BUST 52 46.5 WAIST 46 39.5 ABDOMEN 59 49.5 HIPS 54 50 THIGHS 28 26.5 CALVES 17 15.75 ARMS 16 12.5 BODY FAT 43.8% 39.3% They measure my right Thigh, Calf and Arm since I am right-handed. 38 inches total in 3 months, 10 inches since 10-4-03! Also, I had my fasting blood work done on 10-23-03. Here are some of those results: Cholesterol: 138 (It used to be over 217 – don’t remember the other numbers) Triglyceride: 80 (0-200 normal) HDL: 43 (35-85 normal) LDL: 79 (60-130 normal) Cholesterol/HDL: 3.2 (0-4.4 normal) Calcium: 10.3 (8.5-10.5 normal) Protein: 7.7 (6.4-8.3 normal) Glucose: 85 I feel better and stronger then ever. Since I’ve started this, my TOM has also regulated. Due to PCOS, that doesn’t occur often!! Adela 284/235/199/??? — Email me at: perpleglow(AT)comcast.net
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Thank you! — Email me at: perpleglow(AT)comcast.net
– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – WOW – congratulations on some fantastic changes! Beverly I just got back from my monthly Curves measure session. I was pretty psyched. Here are the results: 7-30-03 to 11-1-03 BUST 52 46.5 WAIST 46 39.5 ABDOMEN 59 49.5 HIPS 54 50 THIGHS 28 26.5 CALVES 17 15.75 ARMS 16 12.5 BODY FAT 43.8% 39.3% They measure my right Thigh, Calf and Arm since I am right-handed. 38 inches total in 3 months, 10 inches since 10-4-03! Also, I had my fasting blood work done on 10-23-03. Here are some of those results: Cholesterol: 138 (It used to be over 217 – don’t remember the other numbers) Triglyceride: 80 (0-200 normal) HDL: 43 (35-85 normal) LDL: 79 (60-130 normal) Cholesterol/HDL: 3.2 (0-4.4 normal) Calcium: 10.3 (8.5-10.5 normal) Protein: 7.7 (6.4-8.3 normal) Glucose: 85 I feel better and stronger then ever. Since I’ve started this, my TOM has also regulated. Due to PCOS, that doesn’t occur often!! Adela 284/235/199/??? — Email me at: perpleglow(AT)comcast.net
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Awesome! Martha
– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – I just got back from my monthly Curves measure session. I was pretty psyched. Here are the results: 7-30-03 to 11-1-03 BUST 52 46.5 WAIST 46 39.5 ABDOMEN 59 49.5 HIPS 54 50 THIGHS 28 26.5 CALVES 17 15.75 ARMS 16 12.5 BODY FAT 43.8% 39.3% They measure my right Thigh, Calf and Arm since I am right-handed. 38 inches total in 3 months, 10 inches since 10-4-03! Also, I had my fasting blood work done on 10-23-03. Here are some of those results: Cholesterol: 138 (It used to be over 217 – don’t remember the other numbers) Triglyceride: 80 (0-200 normal) HDL: 43 (35-85 normal) LDL: 79 (60-130 normal) Cholesterol/HDL: 3.2 (0-4.4 normal) Calcium: 10.3 (8.5-10.5 normal) Protein: 7.7 (6.4-8.3 normal) Glucose: 85 I feel better and stronger then ever. Since I’ve started this, my TOM has also regulated. Due to PCOS, that doesn’t occur often!! Adela 284/235/199/??? — Email me at: perpleglow(AT)comcast.net
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I feel better and stronger then ever. Since I’ve started this, my TOM has also regulated. Due to PCOS, that doesn’t occur often!! The body rewards movement.
The body also rewards movements. It’s the fiber. — Dr. Andrew B. Chung, MD/PhD Bird-Certifiable Cardiowizard http://www.heartmdphd.com
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I feel better and stronger then ever. Since I’ve started this, my TOM has also regulated. Due to PCOS, that doesn’t occur often!!
The body rewards movement. http://antwrp.gsfc.nasa.gov/apod/ap970827.html Lift well, Eat less, Walk fast, Live long.
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– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – Awesome! Martha I just got back from my monthly Curves measure session. I was pretty psyched. Here are the results: 7-30-03 to 11-1-03 BUST 52 46.5 WAIST 46 39.5 ABDOMEN 59 49.5 HIPS 54 50 THIGHS 28 26.5 CALVES 17 15.75 ARMS 16 12.5 BODY FAT 43.8% 39.3% They measure my right Thigh, Calf and Arm since I am right-handed. 38 inches total in 3 months, 10 inches since 10-4-03! Also, I had my fasting blood work done on 10-23-03. Here are some of those results: Cholesterol: 138 (It used to be over 217 – don’t remember the other numbers) Triglyceride: 80 (0-200 normal) HDL: 43 (35-85 normal) LDL: 79 (60-130 normal) Cholesterol/HDL: 3.2 (0-4.4 normal) Calcium: 10.3 (8.5-10.5 normal) Protein: 7.7 (6.4-8.3 normal) Glucose: 85 I feel better and stronger then ever. Since I’ve started this, my TOM has also regulated. Due to PCOS, that doesn’t occur often!! Adela 284/235/199/??? — Email me at: perpleglow(AT)comcast.net
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PG You are fantastic!!! Good example for me !!! Please keep posting here as I need to ‘watch’ as you do so well. Warmly, glo
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Shaving daily. On Sat, 13 Sep 2003 22:46:44 -0400, "Victoria" – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text -<nichollsvi.get…@ofthis.cox.net> wrote: >Waxing and shaving. >Victoria >"Ellen" <ellens…@yahoo.com> wrote in message news:vlpg36gen0pa90@corp.supernews.com… >> Hi, I was wondering what other women with PCOS do for the excess hair growth? >> What methods have you tried and how well do they work? >> Thanks! >> Ellen
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I used to shave with a razor, but now I just use an electric shaver every morning… I’ve also started to go and get electrolosis treatments done, but I find the pain unbearable at times (it burns!), and I think I would have to go more consistantly to say whether there is vast improvements using this ‘termed’ permanant method of hair removal. Of course, I only use this for all my facial and neck hairs. What I’d really like to know is what others do to get rid of that treasure trail from their belly button to their nether regions? And what about the long coarse hairs around the nipple/areola area? I still am not sure what is safe to use in these areas? Thanks a bunch! Vidrie – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text -> >> Hi, I was wondering what other women with PCOS do for the excess hair growth? > >> What methods have you tried and how well do they work? > >> Thanks! > >> Ellen
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Laser hair removal… works GREAT I had face, belly, privates, legs and pitts done… I couldn’t recommend it more. — Email me at: perpleglow(AT)comcast.net "Vidrie" <vid…@rogers.com> wrote in message
news:fd5c98b2.0310030036.1d50f50@posting.google.com… – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text -> I used to shave with a razor, but now I just use an electric shaver > every morning… > I’ve also started to go and get electrolosis treatments done, but I > find the pain unbearable at times (it burns!), and I think I would > have to go more consistantly to say whether there is vast improvements > using this ‘termed’ permanant method of hair removal. Of course, I > only use this for all my facial and neck hairs. > What I’d really like to know is what others do to get rid of that > treasure trail from their belly button to their nether regions? And > what about the long coarse hairs around the nipple/areola area? I > still am not sure what is safe to use in these areas? > Thanks a bunch! > Vidrie > > >> Hi, I was wondering what other women with PCOS do for the excess hair growth? > > >> What methods have you tried and how well do they work? > > >> Thanks! > > >> Ellen
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Hi, I was wondering what other women with PCOS do for the excess hair growth? What methods have you tried and how well do they work? Thanks! Ellen
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I take aldactone and laser hair removal. I haven’t had the laser done in about 2 years, and most of the hair hasn’t re-appeared yet. I had to have multiple treatments, but it works wonderfully! good luck. "Ellen" <ellens…@yahoo.com> wrote in message
news:vlpg36gen0pa90@corp.supernews.com… – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text -> Hi, I was wondering what other women with PCOS do for the excess hair growth? > What methods have you tried and how well do they work? > Thanks! > Ellen
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Waxing and shaving. Victoria – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text -"Ellen" <ellens…@yahoo.com> wrote in message news:vlpg36gen0pa90@corp.supernews.com… > Hi, I was wondering what other women with PCOS do for the excess hair growth? > What methods have you tried and how well do they work? > Thanks! > Ellen
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Hi everyone! I’m new here and still learning. I’m in my mid-20s with a 7 year old and I’ve thought about wanting another child. I’ve been relaxed about birth control and hoped it would just happen. I’ve gone years without using anything and I never got pregnant. My periods are very irregular. Maybe 3 a year. I’ve just started on Yasmin (birth control pill) in the hopes of getting on a regular cycle. I am also a newly diagnosed (February) type 2 diabetic who has been through the glucophage phase and now on injections. I know how glucophage helps with pcos. My gyn thought maybe I had pcos, but has never confirmed it. I went off of the glucophage because it did nothing for my sugar level. Anyways, I’ve started the glucophage again (since I have TONS of it) and I’ve started on Vitex. Does anyone know if it’s a good combination? This week is my last week of birth control pills for this cycle and I was thinking about not taking them anymore after I get my period. Just taking the glucophage and the Vitex. Any ideas? Thanks so much!
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Question before I answer…. Are u still taking birth control and what are u using? *~`~ Cyndie ~`~*
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Until this week I was taking Yasmin. It’s a newer bcp. Now I’m in the "placebo" week and I just started my period last night. I do not plan on starting them again next week. – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – Question before I answer…. Are u still taking birth control and what are u using? *~`~ Cyndie ~`~*
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it doesnt make sense to take vitex with birth control. Vitex is a fertility enhancer and may be messing up your birth control. Vitex and birth control pills work against each other. I forget what your orignial post stated but are u going to stop yasmin to try and conceive? *~`~ Cyndie ~`~*
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Yes, I have now stopped the Yasmin. I read somewhere that I take Vitex on day 5 to ovulation. But the box says to take daily. When should I take the Vitex to increase fertility? – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – it doesnt make sense to take vitex with birth control. Vitex is a fertility enhancer and may be messing up your birth control. Vitex and birth control pills work against each other. I forget what your orignial post stated but are u going to stop yasmin to try and conceive? *~`~ Cyndie ~`~*
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U can take the vitex all cycle. I usually would stop the days I had AF to give myself a break. Start with a low dose like 200-400mg. The higher the dose coiuld possible prevent u from ovulating. It is important that u take OPK’s or chart in order to see if it is working for u! Good luck!!! *~`~ Cyndie ~`~*
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How do you like someone (yourself) you don’t like? I just want to change the title because it makes me uncomfortable to see my name like that. I feel like I did something wrong but I can’t figure out what I did. Is changing the subject title allowed here?
Yes it is Laura. Sorry to drag your name in all this. We never meant to but in the heat of the moment sometimes titles don’t get changed. Miss J (Hamilton, Ontario) 374/328/299 (first goal)
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How do you like someone (yourself) you don’t like? I just want to change the title because it makes me uncomfortable to see my name like that. I feel like I did something wrong but I can’t figure out what I did. Is changing the subject title allowed here?
Yes it’s definitely allowed. And I’d just like to add that I truly hope you won’t let Jaime’s personal issues affect your participation in this newsgroup. You didn’t do anything wrong at all.
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– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – Does therapy help? I don’t know yet. I have only had a few sessions. Mine self esteem is low, (explains so much, huh?) but it’s not from a relationship, really, well not from just the one, anyway. It’s from my whole life. I had low self esteem to begin with whe n I first started going out with him but now it is even worse. I thought that losing the weight would fix it because I thought the fat was the big problem. But it hasn’t. How do you like someone (yourself) you don’t like? I know what you mean there. I look in the mirror at myself and I really like what I see from the collarbones up (unless I am breaking out!! LOL) but when I stand in front of them mirror I *detest* what I see elsewhere…..esp from the boobs down. I find it disgusting and wonder how *any* man could like that and I figure it is one of the reasons I have no one in my life and haven’t for YEARS who seriously *wants* to be there as much as I want to be with him. Oh I get the guys who just want to get laid buzzing around all the time but who wants that constantly? It makes me feel like I am *just a fuck* to them and lowers my self esteem even more if I choose to get involved with them. ( Something I never plan to do again since this last relationship.) But then again when I used to weigh between 160 to 170 pounds I had that same problem too. Guys buzzing around all the time just wanting to get laid all except for *one* very special guy who isn’t alive anymore and many many times I wish he was not only for me but for our son as well. Losing this weight just feels like a No-win situation for me and I always am thinking ‘Why even bother?’ Maybe that is why I cheat so much. And on top of all that is my PCOS and also the trust issues I got from my mother. Miss J (Hamilton, Ontario) 374/328/299 (first goal)
Oh, sweetie, I know just what you mean. I don’t know if you’ve read any of my relationship woes on this group, but I’m currently in therapy after a failed relationship myself, the failure of which was due in large part to my low self-esteem. In fact, if I’d had healthy self-esteem I probably never would have gotten involved with that guy in the first place. What I SHOULD have said in the beginning was "Oh, you’re not ready for a serious relationship right now? Well then you’re not getting any sex from me right now." But instead I was all "This guy wants me??!!! This guy? This hot, sexy guy wants fat, disgusting me? Then who am I to complain if he doesn’t want a commitment? I’m not worthy of getting what I want anyway, so this is the best I can hope for, so I should grab it while I can." And then later on it turned to heavy resentment, paranoia, jealousy, etc, even though he wasn’t seeing anyone else while he was seeing me (although there was flirting on his part while I was present, and the possibility of his dating someone else was always kept open on his insistence) I’m sure a lot of women on here might cry "scumbag" if they knew the story, but really he was upfront at the beginning about not wanting a commitment, which is not an evil thing like pretending to want one and then cheating and lying, so I don’t blame him. And I’m not going to go into his personal business, but he did have a very good reason for not being ready for a commitment. I’m working really hard now on getting to a point where I feel I do deserve the kind of relationship I want, and where I am strong enough to say "buzz off" to any guy who wants me to compromise my needs in order to be with him. It’s a journey though, and it’s tough, but I believe it can be done. I think the key is to do whatever in your life that makes you proud of yourself, whether it’s losing weight, making it through school, volunteer work, or whatever. Good luck on your journey! — -Michelle Levin (Luna) http://www.mindspring.com/~lunachick http://www.mindspring.com/~designbyluna
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No. This is about Mike. The guy I *stupidly* had to go and fall in love with.
Since when do brains have anything to do with falling in love? In some respects it may be better for you to be faced with his presence than to avoid it, so you can deal with the situation. Not fun, but so much of what’s good for us isn’t fun, right? With my ex, it’s easier for me to be angry than to face up to my own stupidity in getting involved. Not saying this is you, but you got me reflecting on my past, because of your obvious pain. There were signs I should have seen that this was not a healthy relationship, but I kept telling myself I could handle it. I got out eventually, but not without a great deal of damage, both to me and to my kids. You’re out of this one. I think for you and for me, when we can be in the same room with our discomfort and hurt over what we did in the relationship, as well as what was done to us, we can move on. I’m not there yet. If you want/need to talk, I’m around usually in the early mornings or evenings. Hang in there. .. Bridget M. Atkins maintenance for life.
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– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – No. This is about Mike. The guy I *stupidly* had to go and fall in love with. The one who made me a few promises but never kept them. The guy who made an agreement with me but never kept up his end of the agreement. The guy I would have done *anything* for but took me for granted. The guy who said my weight was an embarassement to him when his weight was never an issue for me . The guy who said to me he kept seeing other girls he would love to *bang*. The guy who took me up to his place 3 times in 2 years but was at my place all the time and anytime he wanted to be. The guy who wouldn’t introduce me to his friends and told me there were certain parts of his life he did not wish to share. The guy who told me he would not and could not reciprocate my feelings for him but I stuck by him anyway (like an idiot) because I cared about him. *That* guy.
Oh wait…forgot a *good* one he said. Being in a relationship with me amounts to being *trapped* in a relationship with me. Nice huh? No wonder my self esteem is lower then the floor and I have to go to therapy now. Miss J (Hamilton, Ontario) 374/328/299 (first goal)
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No wonder my self esteem is lower then the floor and I have to go to therapy now.
Does therapy help? Mine self esteem is low, (explains so much, huh?) but it’s not from a relationship, really, well not from just the one, anyway. It’s from my whole life. I thought that losing the weight would fix it because I thought the fat was the big problem. But it hasn’t. How do you like someone (yourself) you don’t like? .. Bridget M. Atkins maintenance for life.
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Does therapy help?
I don’t know yet. I have only had a few sessions. Mine self esteem is low, (explains so much, huh?) but it’s not from a relationship, really, well not from just the one, anyway. It’s from my whole life.
I had low self esteem to begin with whe n I first started going out with him but now it is even worse. I thought that losing the weight would fix it because I thought the fat was the big problem. But it hasn’t. How do you like someone (yourself) you don’t like?
I know what you mean there. I look in the mirror at myself and I really like what I see from the collarbones up (unless I am breaking out!! LOL) but when I stand in front of them mirror I *detest* what I see elsewhere…..esp from the boobs down. I find it disgusting and wonder how *any* man could like that and I figure it is one of the reasons I have no one in my life and haven’t for YEARS who seriously *wants* to be there as much as I want to be with him. Oh I get the guys who just want to get laid buzzing around all the time but who wants that constantly? It makes me feel like I am *just a fuck* to them and lowers my self esteem even more if I choose to get involved with them. ( Something I never plan to do again since this last relationship.) But then again when I used to weigh between 160 to 170 pounds I had that same problem too. Guys buzzing around all the time just wanting to get laid all except for *one* very special guy who isn’t alive anymore and many many times I wish he was not only for me but for our son as well. Losing this weight just feels like a No-win situation for me and I always am thinking ‘Why even bother?’ Maybe that is why I cheat so much. And on top of all that is my PCOS and also the trust issues I got from my mother. Miss J (Hamilton, Ontario) 374/328/299 (first goal)
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How do you like someone (yourself) you don’t like?
I just want to change the title because it makes me uncomfortable to see my name like that. I feel like I did something wrong but I can’t figure out what I did. Is changing the subject title allowed here? Laura lowcarb 6/10/03 201/196.5/149 <http://www.fitday.com/WebFit/PublicJournals.html?Owner=Mydietjourney
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No. This is about Mike. The guy I *stupidly* had to go and fall in love with. Since when do brains have anything to do with falling in love?
They don’t. In some respects it may be better for you to be faced with his presence than to avoid it, so you can deal with the situation. Not fun, but so much of what’s good for us isn’t fun, right?
I would rather avoid it and keep thinking about lkeaving this group but I enjoyed it here and want to be here. With him here too now it isn’t making it *fun* for me anymore. With my ex, it’s easier for me to be angry than to face up to my own stupidity in getting involved. Not saying this is you, but you got me reflecting on my past, because of your obvious pain.
I am not angry at myself for getting involved with him. I just wish I had not have gott en involved but I really liked him when we first ca me across each other and after se eing his picture (th rough ASDLC) I was very attracted to him. I am *still* physically and mentally attracted to him but I just wish he would go away. As for anger….I am *very very* angry at him. Have been for *months* now and it sits there just bubbling under the surface and it is difficult for me to keep a cap on it many times. Occasionally it rears it’s ugly head. It doesn’t mean I don’t love him. I do lo ve him and probably *always* will because I don’t know how to stop loving someone but the anger that is there is not good to have inside of me and I wish every night it would go away. My th erapist and I talk about th at a lot. There were signs I should have seen that this was not a healthy relationship, but I kept telling myself I could handle it.
Whether ours was healthy or not I don’t know. We got along okay in person when we were alone together. When the rest of the world intruded seemed to be where our problems came from. Just my theory but I am probably too emotionally involved to see anything right now. I got out eventually, but not without a great deal of damage, both to me and to my kids.
I am happy you made it out. Too bad about the damage. You’re out of this one. I think for you and for me, when we can be in the same room with our discomfort and hurt over what we did in the relationship, as well as what was done to us, we can move on. I’m not there yet.
I am so not there either. I wonder if I ever will be. If you want/need to talk, I’m around usually in the early mornings or evenings. Hang in there.
Thanks Bridget. You too eh? Miss J (Hamilton, Ontario) 374/328/299 (first goal)
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Whoa, so if you need support, to hell with anybody else who might? This doesn’t sound like you. It has to be something more. Is this the man you’ve been talking about lately who took someone else on your date to the winery?
No! Definitely not. Never ever once lied to her. Probably should have, but didn’t. — Mike Graham | Metalworker, rustic, part-time zealot. <http://www.metalmangler.com| First run on low-carb: 320lbs to 210lbs. Restarted June 01/2003 – 245/236/not sure. DENIQUE DIAETAM EFFICACEM INVENI
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Never ever once lied to her. Probably should have, but didn’t.
Would you piss off. Miss J (Hamilton, Ontario) 374/328/299 (first goal)
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Whoa, so if you need support, to hell with anybody else who might? This doesn’t sound like you. It has to be something more.
It is a lot of things and his being here is making it uncomfortable for me to be here. Is this the man you’ve been talking about lately who took someone else on your date to the winery?
No. This is about Mike. The guy I *stupidly* had to go and fall in love with. The one who made me a few promises but never kept them. The guy who made an agreement with me but never kept up his end of the agreement. The guy I would have done *anything* for but took me for granted. The guy who said my weight was an embarassement to him when his weight was never an issue for me . The guy who said to me he kept seeing other girls he would love to *bang*. The guy who took me up to his place 3 times in 2 years but was at my place all the time and anytime he wanted to be. The guy who wouldn’t introduce me to his friends and told me there were certain parts of his life he did not wish to share. The guy who told me he would not and could not reciprocate my feelings for him but I stuck by him anyway (like an idiot) because I cared about him. *That* guy. Miss J (Hamilton, Ontario) 374/328/299 (first goal)
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Your e-mail address just disappeared. Where’d you go? — Mike Graham | Metalworker, rustic, part-time zealot. <http://www.metalmangler.com| First run on low-carb: 320lbs to 210lbs. Restarted June 01/2003 – 245/242/not sure.
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Your e-mail address just disappeared. Where’d you go?
Well it didn’t take *you* long to start looking elsewhere after you dumped me. Miss J (Hamilton, Ontario) 374/328/299 (first goal)
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I don’t know what *he* is up to Laura but I will email a reply to you with the *whole* story and in the right order to avoid any confusion on your part. Miss J (Hamilton, Ontario) 374/328/299 (first goal)
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Well it didn’t take *you* long to start looking elsewhere after you dumped me.
Now *that* came out of left field. I realize you can’t restrain yourself from trying to give me a figurative kick in the nuts, but do try to consider the feelings of the other people involved. — Mike Graham | Metalworker, rustic, part-time zealot. <http://www.metalmangler.com| First run on low-carb: 320lbs to 210lbs. Restarted June 01/2003 – 245/240/not sure.
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I don’t know what *he* is up to Laura but I will email a reply to you with the *whole* story and in the right order to avoid any confusion on your part.
If you can find an address that works then let me know. That was the whole point of the message. I’ve got not two but *three* new latin phrases for her. — Mike Graham | Metalworker, rustic, part-time zealot. <http://www.metalmangler.com| First run on low-carb: 320lbs to 210lbs. Restarted June 01/2003 – 245/240/not sure.
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Well it didn’t take *you* long to start looking elsewhere after you dumped me. Now *that* came out of left field. I realize you can’t restrain yourself from trying to give me a figurative kick in the nuts
After what *you* did to me…you deserve it all. Miss J (Hamilton, Ontario) 374/328/299 (first goal)
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I don’t know what *he* is up to Laura but I will email a reply to you with the *whole* story and in the right order to avoid any confusion on your part. If you can find an address that works then let me know. That was the whole point of the message. I’ve got not two but *three* new latin phrases for her.
Go throw your brain around someplace else….like RCM. Miss J (Hamilton, Ontario) 374/328/299 (first goal)
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I don’t know what *he* is up to Laura but I will email a reply to you with the *whole* story and in the right order to avoid any confusion on your part. If you can find an address that works then let me know.
Did it ever occur to you that she might not want to be bothered with you. I should have been so wise two years ago. Miss J (Hamilton, Ontario) 374/328/299 (first goal)
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Did it ever occur to you that she might not want to be bothered with you.
Normally people don’t delete their account just to avoid one person. Normally. I should have been so wise two years ago.
We all have regrets. Obviously you’re upset about something, maybe you should give it a bit more thought before typing. Consider what it will actually gain you to make yourself look small and petulant. I know you’re not normally like that – you just need to take a deep breath and consider your options. — Mike Graham | Metalworker, rustic, part-time zealot. <http://www.metalmangler.com| First run on low-carb: 320lbs to 210lbs. Restarted June 01/2003 – 245/240/not sure.
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Well it didn’t take *you* long to start looking elsewhere after you dumped me. Now *that* came out of left field. I realize you can’t restrain yourself from trying to give me a figurative kick in the nuts After what *you* did to me…you deserve it all. Miss J (Hamilton, Ontario) 374/328/299 (first goal)
Would both of you just cut it out already. I enjoy your other posts enough to want not to killfile either of you, but geez, I *so* don’t need to be seeing any of this. — AF "Non Sequitur U has a really, really lousy debate team." –artyw raises the bar on rec.sport.baseball
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Would both of you just cut it out already. I enjoy your other posts enough to want not to killfile either of you, but geez, I *so* don’t need to be seeing any of this.
I’m very sorry Alice but I just want him to piss off out of ASDLC. His being here is making *me* very uncomfortable here and the killfile would not help because I would have to kill any threads he might be yakking in. Threads that might be importsnt to me. I need the support of ASDLC to help me lose at least 200 pounds but I don’t need *him* being here. Miss J (Hamilton, Ontario) 374/328/299 (first goal)
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We all have regrets. Obviously you’re upset about something, maybe you should give it a bit more thought before typing. Consider what it will actually gain you to make yourself look small and petulant. I know you’re not normally like that – you just need to take a deep breath and consider your options.
I just want you to GO AWAY. Miss J (Hamilton, Ontario) 374/328/299 (first goal)
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I’m very sorry Alice but I just want him to piss off out of ASDLC. His being here is making *me* very uncomfortable here and the killfile would not help because I would have to kill any threads he might be yakking in. Threads that might be importsnt to me. I need the support of ASDLC to help me lose at least 200 pounds but I don’t need *him* being here.
Whoa, so if you need support, to hell with anybody else who might? This doesn’t sound like you. It has to be something more. Is this the man you’ve been talking about lately who took someone else on your date to the winery? .. Bridget M. Atkins maintenance for life.
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I’m one of the few people who worked pretty hard to accept myself the way I am. So being fat never bothered me emotionally.
It sure does a number on *my* head. I met someone a couple weeks ago for coffee and he kept telling me I was a very beautiful lady. I thanked him but inside I could NOT believe him. I do not see it at all. what I see in the mirror is an *ugly* person physically and how could *anyone* like that to look at much less sleep with. Miss J (Hamilton, Ontario)
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I could write a dissertation. I really could. I’ve been fat, literally all my life, if not in truth, then in my mind. In truth, I’ve not been fat all my life, but I wasn’t a skinny child as were a lot of my friends, and I thought I was much fatter than I was. Then, I was fat, and got fatter. And my life has been… interesting. I never took the lead on relationships, and suspect I lost out on several, because I was too unaware, too afraid. I lost my career — partially because of the reality of overweight, and partially because of the fear. Emotionally? I worked really hard at self-acceptance, and would get there, and then fall off the horse. And at 347, or wherever I really was at some time or other, let’s face it — you can be as emotionally secure as you want to be, but others will still be a**holes. It’s amazing to me, now that I’m a "reasonable size" (and still quite fat, for the record) that people treat me so differently. what does this do to me emotionally? It ticks me off. I go from being pleased to really angry – because, frankly, the inner me? It’s no different than it was 10 months ago. I’m still the me who worked hard, paid my way through school, got three degrees, hodls four jobs, and excels at all of them. Only now, because I’m 62 pounds lighter, I’m suddenly more interesting, more disciplined, more…? I don’t buy it. All I did was cut out carbs and, when I’d lost enough weight that it didn’t hurt to move as much, re-added the exercise I’d been doing before my life more or less fell apart. What does being overweight do to me emotionally? I don’t know. I can’t recall thin – so I don’t know who I was — or who I’ll be. But I suspect I’ll be me – only, I won’t have the "this person is a bigot" filter firmly in place, and may have to be more cautious. Good thing I don’t really care of people like me or not, ’cause if I did, I’d be in a pootload of trouble as I continue to get thinner. — Nancy Howells (don’t forget to switch it, and replace the to send mail).
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I’ve been in therapy the past couple of months trying to get over a relationship that ended. Ok, he wasn’t perfect, but the destruction of the relationship was mostly because of me. More specifically because of my insecurities. And my biggest insecurity has always been my weight. I just could never trust that this hot, buff, cute, sweet, smart guy would actually want to be with fat, disgusting me. At first when I’d play the "I’m so fat!" game, he’d tell me how attractive I was. He never lied, he did say I could stand to lose some weight, but that in spite of that I was well-proportioned and pretty, and it was enough for him. But I still felt bad about myself, no matter what he said, and it got old for him. It wasn’t the weight that turned him off, it was my whining, my lack of confidence, and my lack of the ability to trust that he really liked me. I was overly needy and overly sensitive. I was constantly testing him with stupid fights, and eventually he just got fed up and left. This made me look really hard at myself, at what I was doing to myself by being overweight. I decided I never want to do to another relationship what I did to this one. It also helps that my sister has been moaning about her weight, and up until recently not doing anything about it. Going out with her and trying to have fun, and having to sit there listening to her being down on herself made me see how I looked to others. Now she’s joined a gym and I’m so proud of her and like hanging out with her so much more, because she’s proud of herself again. They say "Don’t lose weight for anyone else, lose it for yourself." I agree with that, but sometimes seeing how your low self-esteem drives people away can be a good motivator. Every day that I follow my exercise and eating plan makes me feel just that much better about myself. It’s not about the pounds and inches dropping off, it’s about my ability to make goals and work towards them. And liking who I am and being proud of myself will make my relationships better, and that is my motivation, whether it should be or not. Fitting into smaller jeans is no way near as important to me as being emotionally healthy and stable, and being strong enough to love without fear. — -Michelle Levin (Luna) http://www.mindspring.com/~lunachick http://www.mindspring.com/~designbyluna
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It’s not about the pounds and inches dropping off, it’s about my ability to make goals and work towards them.
I think this is a great statement, Luna. Something that would really help as a sort of mantra for times when we get depressed if the scales don’t move for a while. — Hazel Atkins since May 27th 03 170/158/126 South Wales UK
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– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – I’ve been in therapy the past couple of months trying to get over a relationship that ended. Ok, he wasn’t perfect, but the destruction of the relationship was mostly because of me. More specifically because of my insecurities. And my biggest insecurity has always been my weight. I just could never trust that this hot, buff, cute, sweet, smart guy would actually want to be with fat, disgusting me. At first when I’d play the "I’m so fat!" game, he’d tell me how attractive I was. He never lied, he did say I could stand to lose some weight, but that in spite of that I was well-proportioned and pretty, and it was enough for him. But I still felt bad about myself, no matter what he said, and it got old for him. It wasn’t the weight that turned him off, it was my whining, my lack of confidence, and my lack of the ability to trust that he really liked me. I was overly needy and overly sensitive. I was constantly testing him with stupid fights, and eventually he just got fed up and left. This made me look really hard at myself, at what I was doing to myself by being overweight. I decided I never want to do to another relationship what I did to this one. It also helps that my sister has been moaning about her weight, and up until recently not doing anything about it. Going out with her and trying to have fun, and having to sit there listening to her being down on herself made me see how I looked to others. Now she’s joined a gym and I’m so proud of her and like hanging out with her so much more, because she’s proud of herself again. They say "Don’t lose weight for anyone else, lose it for yourself." I agree with that, but sometimes seeing how your low self-esteem drives people away can be a good motivator. Every day that I follow my exercise and eating plan makes me feel just that much better about myself. It’s not about the pounds and inches dropping off, it’s about my ability to make goals and work towards them. And liking who I am and being proud of myself will make my relationships better, and that is my motivation, whether it should be or not. Fitting into smaller jeans is no way near as important to me as being emotionally healthy and stable, and being strong enough to love without fear.
Well, you’ve taken a very important step. Even determining that you’re partially at fault for the breakup of a relationship is a large step, and you’ve gone beyond that. It can be a hard road, this looking into our negative aspects and trying to expunge them. It’s not easy. By the way, if you have a chance to do some reading, I recommend a book called "Keeping the Love You Find," by Harville Hendrix. Although it’s not related to improving yourself through weight loss, it is a book about relationships and why we select certain people. It also has — at the end, unfortunately — quite a few tips for stretching yourself as a person so that you’ll hopefully select a better mate. Also, I realize that liking oneself is an important goal, but sometimes fitting into smaller jeans is a bit easier to meet, in the sense that how does one gauge whether one likes oneself? A goal of fitting into jeans can be easily determined — you either fit into the jeans or you don’t. A goal of liking oneself may not only be hard to gauge but may be a never-ending road. For instance, I think I like myself, but I went to two 8 minute dating events (where you meet a number of potential mates for dates of eight minutes each), where I selected 10 women, yet none selected me (there has to be a mutual selection for a match to be made). I was stunned and my confidence was shaken. I went from liking myself to "what the hell’s wrong with me?" Now, I’m back to liking myself again, but there are definitely going to be bumps in the road ahead for me. And don’t be afraid to get involved with someone again — it’s commonly thought that a person must be made "perfect" before becoming involved with another person, but this isn’t true. Often, the real growth for someone comes when they are involved with another person. For instance, I have a problem accepting compliments — I tend to pass them off without really accepting them. Well, there’s really no way for me to practice accepting compliments from myself — I need someone else to give me a compliment (which has to be a real compliment — your brain will see right through a false compliment), then I need to practice accepting the compliment. Without someone else, I can’t evolve in this area. Good luck with your endeavors. — Bob M in CT
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the weight that turned him off, it was my whining, my lack of confidence, and my lack of the ability to trust that he really liked me. I was overly needy and overly sensitive. I was constantly testing him with stupid fights, and eventually he just got fed up and left.
I can feel for both of you. Really. I don’t think that your mindset at the time was a particularly rare one. Do you think the therapy helped you to really deal with it? They say "Don’t lose weight for anyone else, lose it for yourself." I agree with that, but sometimes seeing how your low self-esteem drives people away can be a good motivator.
That doesn’t seem to entirely jive with my experiences, but people are different. off, it’s about my ability to make goals and work towards them. And liking who I am and being proud of myself will make my relationships better, and that is my motivation, whether it should be or not.
That sounds pretty rational to me… and if I do say so myself, that’s saying something! — Mike Graham | Metalworker, rustic, part-time zealot. <http://www.metalmangler.com| First run on low-carb: 320lbs to 210lbs. Restarted June 01/2003 – 245/229/not sure.
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I’ve been in therapy the past couple of months trying to get over a relationship that ended. Ok, he wasn’t perfect, but the destruction of the relationship was mostly because of me.
Are *we* having the same *life* girl??? I am going through *exactly* the very same thing right now. Just got home from my 4rth therapy session. More specifically because of my insecurities. And my biggest insecurity has always been my weight.
I have others but this is my *biggest* one right now. I just could never trust that this hot, buff, cute, sweet, smart guy would actually want to be with fat, disgusting me. At first when I’d play the "I’m so fat!" game, he’d tell me how attractive I was. He never lied, he did say I could stand to lose some weight, but that in spite of that I was well-proportioned and pretty, and it was enough for him. But I still felt bad about myself, no matter what he said, and it got old for him. It wasn’t the weight that turned him off, it was my whining, my lack of confidence, and my lack of the ability to trust that he really liked me. I was overly needy and overly sensitive. I was constantly testing him with stupid fights, and eventually he just got fed up and left.
My recent ex *never* complimented me at all on my looks, not *once* in the 2 years we spent together, and it seriously made me wonder why….it made me wonder why a *LOT*. I am pretty positive now that is why I treated him and he got fed up with *me* and left and I *don’t* blame him a bit for going. I remember once my ex had to help someone trapped in an automobile and mentioned that the lady driving the van was *pretty*. That really bothered me for a very *long* time and I wondered..well what am I to him? Chopped liver? I have low self esteem to begin with because of my size but feeling that he never thought of me as *pretty* got to me emotionally and it hurt me even though he never knew it and I never told him about that. Unfortunately I took how I feel about myself..my size…..out on him in the worst of ways. I miss him and his company because he was really good to me in *other* ways but right now until I emotionally *deal* with my weight issues I cannot even be *in* a relationship which isn’t good for the fellow I am seeing now. A nice person but I have to tell him later tonight that I cannot see him anymore before it gets serious. This made me look really hard at myself, at what I was doing to myself by being overweight. I decided I never want to do to another relationship what I did to this one.
I’m going through that right now . They say "Don’t lose weight for anyone else, lose it for yourself." I agree with that, but sometimes seeing how your low self-esteem drives people away can be a good motivator.
This is true. I am so afraid of being the one who gets hurt that I hurt others instead. It’s not good and I believe losing my weight will bring my self esteem up to a point where I will not do that anymore. I will feel better about myself and act better then. Every day that I follow my exercise and eating plan makes me feel just that much better about myself.
I remember feeling that way when I lost my original 45 pounds. I felt sooooooo *good* about myself physically AND emotionally. It’s not about the pounds and inches dropping off, it’s about my ability to make goals and work towards them.
Yes!! :-) And liking who I am and being proud of myself will make my relationships better, and that is my motivation, whether it should be or not. Fitting into smaller jeans is no way near as important to me as being emotionally healthy and stable, and being strong enough to love without fear.
I very much can understand this. Email me privately if you want to discuss it with someone going through the *exact* same thing right now. Miss J (Hamilton, Ontario)
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Great, and honest post Michelle. I wish you well.
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– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – I’m one of the few people who worked pretty hard to accept myself the way I am. So being fat never bothered me emotionally. However, since our looks and our bodies seem to be everyone else’s business, my being overweight would be an easy source of amusement to the masses, so I was pretty good for something . People seemed to think I had no idea what my size was and would therefore inform me, much to my utter amazement, that I was fat! (So that’s why Vogue kept rejecting me!<EG) Seriously, though, I’ve always believed it is what is on the inside, and a person’s character, that TRULY counts, and still do. When I was heavier the things that bothered me were nothing to do with emotions. I had irregular periods, heartburn, loss of energy, and other physical complaints, but emotionally I was satisfied with who I was. Crafting Mom http://ca.photos.yahoo.com/craftingmom2001 250+/186/160 – (5lb challenge June goal – 182) LC WOL since Spring ‘02.
I get that, I really do. I understand that the a person’s character is what matters. But for me, having something in my life that I wanted to change, and having the knowledge and ability to change it, yet _not_ doing anything about it, is a character issue. It was the same thing as when I was unemployed, yet I let days, weeks, months go by without looking for a job. When I finally started looking, and actually working to get a job, I felt better about myself, even before I got a job, just to know I was finally doing something about a thing in my life that I didn’t like. — -Michelle Levin (Luna) http://www.mindspring.com/~lunachick http://www.mindspring.com/~designbyluna
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Emotionally it does a *number* on my head. It *really* does. As a child I was always a bit *plump*. I suspect that had something to do with my having PCOS. When I was about 9 years old (from what I can gather looking at my old childhood photos) I started gaining weight. In my childhood report cards there are references to my increasing weight made by the teachers. I remember my mom putting me on diets a lot because the school was always going on to her about my weight. The other kids teased me a lot, called me very hurtful names and shunned me because of my weight and my looks. The only kids who didn’t were the other overweight ones. Once when I was around 12 I was outside playing and minding my own business. I remember this boy named Kenny coming up to me and asking me if he could be my *boyfriend*. I didn’t believe him and I felt very suspicious. You know that feeling you get when something doesn’t feel quite *right*. I told him No but he sat there and managed somehow to convince me enough so I ended up saying Okay. Once I said that he started laughing and started BIG TIME callin g me names and ridiculing him about my weight and over in the corner of the townhouse survey we lived in a group of HIS friends started laughing when they heard him. I went into the house in tears and after that never went outside much anymore . I still don’t. Even nowadays when I walk down the street minding my own business and even having a *good* day emotionally someone will yell names at me from a passing car and ruin my whole day after that. I do not care what anyone says but names really *hurt* me. I see the *looks* from certain ppl even when they try to hide it because I have gotten so used to seein g that. I am so afraid of being called things I will push ppl away with my actions now because I figure if I hurt *them* first then they have no chance to hurt me. It ruins *any* relationships I have or have had and through therapy I am trying to rememdy that. I keep to myself a lot too and i know it is because of how being overweight affects me emotionally. Because of my weight, emotionally I am a mess…..BIG TIME. Miss J (Hamilton, Ontario)
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Anyway, I’ll report my progress if anyone is interested.. and any
comments/opinions on this subject are certainly welcomed. << If this is your first time doing Atkins expect to feel like crap come the third or forth day. After that it is smooth sailing. Make sure you take some potassium pills, they really help (Atkins doesn’t say anything about them but Protein Power does).
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have half real stuff and half decaf and start weaning yourself. follow it up with TONS of water. (coffee in one hand, LARGE water in the other) Diem – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – Hi, Today is my first day on Atkins 14 day Induction diet. I struggled a lot with the decision about whether to eliminate coffee entirely. I have been a coffee drinker my whole life and I’ve read mixed opinions on the topic in this newsgroup and the FAQ. I finally decided to limit myself to one small cup of black coffee in the morning, because I really enjoy it and I think it will be easier for me to stay on the program this way. I’ve got some ketone testing strips and plan to start monitoring for ketosis beginning day three. The rest of the plan seems pretty easy to follow. Another concern that I did have about the coffee was that I noticed bouts of morning hunger in the last year. For instance, I would get up at 5:30am and have breakfast.. usually I’d have a vegetarian sausage patty (brand name Prosage) on a Thomas English muffin. By 9:00am, I’d feel very hungry, hypoglycemic, and my stomach would be growling. When I would skip breakfast entirely (but drink maybe one cup of coffee with milk), I would not be hungry again until 11am or 12noon. I wondered if this might have a lot to do with the insulin peak/hyperinsulin caused by the carbs in my breakfast. My hope is that the coffee wasn’t exacerbating this hunger (although according to Dr. Atkins it very well could be a part of the problem). Anyway, I’ll report my progress if anyone is interested.. and any comments/opinions on this subject are certainly welcomed. <- Jeff -<
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Hi, Today is my first day on Atkins 14 day Induction diet. I struggled a lot with the decision about whether to eliminate coffee entirely. I have been a coffee drinker my whole life and I’ve read mixed opinions on the topic in this newsgroup and the FAQ. I finally decided to limit myself to one small cup of black coffee in the morning, because I really enjoy it and I think it will be easier for me to stay on the program this way. I’ve got some ketone testing strips and plan to start monitoring for ketosis beginning day three. The rest of the plan seems pretty easy to follow.
There’s nothing wrong with keeping your coffee, as long as it’s decaf. (Same with tea.) Caffeine raises blood sugar. (rest snipped, since I don’t know the answer to the question) Scott
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Your experience does sound like the insulin resistance problem. PP says you can have coffee. I have one cup, too, but it’s a big one! Be surer you eat enough protein. Some people have had problems when they didn’t eat enough. Bob Burns PP since 10/23/99 38+/36+/34 (waist) Mill Hall, PA – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – Hi, Today is my first day on Atkins 14 day Induction diet. I struggled a lot with the decision about whether to eliminate coffee entirely. I have been a coffee drinker my whole life and I’ve read mixed opinions on the topic in this newsgroup and the FAQ. I finally decided to limit myself to one small cup of black coffee in the morning, because I really enjoy it and I think it will be easier for me to stay on the program this way. I’ve got some ketone testing strips and plan to start monitoring for ketosis beginning day three. The rest of the plan seems pretty easy to follow. Another concern that I did have about the coffee was that I noticed bouts of morning hunger in the last year. For instance, I would get up at 5:30am and have breakfast.. usually I’d have a vegetarian sausage patty (brand name Prosage) on a Thomas English muffin. By 9:00am, I’d feel very hungry, hypoglycemic, and my stomach would be growling. When I would skip breakfast entirely (but drink maybe one cup of coffee with milk), I would not be hungry again until 11am or 12noon. I wondered if this might have a lot to do with the insulin peak/hyperinsulin caused by the carbs in my breakfast. My hope is that the coffee wasn’t exacerbating this hunger (although according to Dr. Atkins it very well could be a part of the problem). Anyway, I’ll report my progress if anyone is interested.. and any comments/opinions on this subject are certainly welcomed. <- Jeff -<
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Hi, Today is my first day on Atkins 14 day Induction diet. I struggled a lot with the decision about whether to eliminate coffee entirely. I have been a coffee drinker my whole life and I’ve read mixed opinions on the topic in this newsgroup and the FAQ. I finally decided to limit myself to one small cup of black coffee in the morning, because I really enjoy it and I think it will be easier for me to stay on the program this way. I’ve got some ketone testing strips and plan to start monitoring for ketosis beginning day three. The rest of the plan seems pretty easy to follow. Another concern that I did have about the coffee was that I noticed bouts of morning hunger in the last year. For instance, I would get up at 5:30am and have breakfast.. usually I’d have a vegetarian sausage patty (brand name Prosage) on a Thomas English muffin. By 9:00am, I’d feel very hungry, hypoglycemic, and my stomach would be growling. When I would skip breakfast entirely (but drink maybe one cup of coffee with milk), I would not be hungry again until 11am or 12noon. I wondered if this might have a lot to do with the insulin peak/hyperinsulin caused by the carbs in my breakfast. My hope is that the coffee wasn’t exacerbating this hunger (although according to Dr. Atkins it very well could be a part of the problem). Anyway, I’ll report my progress if anyone is interested.. and any comments/opinions on this subject are certainly welcomed. <- Jeff -<
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You stinker — you’re melting away!!! Good going! Jo "Lindabird" wrote … – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – I know you are (but so am I). :P~~~ Bird, Not Givin’ Up the Java 170/147 <— heh heh/125
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I had no trouble losing while drinking coffee and then I went decaff for my BP and saw no appreciable increase in weight loss Jay Atkins since 10/99 215/178/178 ( revised my goal wt. since I’ve been stalled so long, this must be my correct wt.!!)
I follow PP and they allow coffee so I never gave it up either , and when I’m good I lose consistantly.
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I’m so glad that you have your priorities straight Billy. LOL I’m starting to like you more and more!! :) Now I know why. You think like me!! Taffy
What, you think about sex constantly too?
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Of course!! It’s one of the perks of having PCOS…well….for me anyway. Now all I need is a boyfriend who can handle it..hehehe Taffy – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – I’m so glad that you have your priorities straight Billy. LOL I’m starting to like you more and more!! :) Now I know why. You think like me!! Taffy What, you think about sex constantly too?
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Bird, you’ve reached my goal weight. Please give it back to me NOW! :) Ev
– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – I know you are (but so am I). :P~~~ Bird, Not Givin’ Up the Java 170/147 <— heh heh/125 | I tried to give up caffeine and couldn’t do it. I’m a big fat wuss and | I know it.
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Of course!! It’s one of the perks of having PCOS…well….for me anyway. Now all I need is a boyfriend who can handle it..hehehe Taffy
Are we taking volunteers?
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I gave up coffee for the diet, the Atkins book warns about caffine. I use Equal as a sweetner, and cream . Was that necessary, I noticed some members mention coffee in thier posts and I do miss my morning java. bob Before you buy.
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I gave up coffee for the diet, the Atkins book warns about caffine. I use Equal as a sweetner, and cream . Was that necessary, I noticed some members mention coffee in thier posts and I do miss my morning java. bob
I never have given it up and never will lol but ymmv so your body, your science experiment, your choice Tinakaye
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My best advice, try it and see if it stalls you. They warn about caffeine because it acts as a dieuretic. I stack, so I take caffeine pills anyway and I can’t live without my morning coffee. I tried decaf, but for some reason it knocked me out of ketosis. — The ORIGINAL Serena 320/180/160(next goal) 28W/14regular/anything smaller than I am now – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – I gave up coffee for the diet, the Atkins book warns about caffine. I use Equal as a sweetner, and cream . Was that necessary, I noticed some members mention coffee in thier posts and I do miss my morning java. bob Before you buy.
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From what I gather, each person responds to caffeine a little differently. Personally I didn’t know I was supposed to give up coffee until I’d lost more than 50 pounds and was approaching goal. I still didn’t give it up and I’m doing just fine, but as Tinakaye said, your mileage may vary. Add it back in and if you stall, you know the culprit. MB
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I gave up coffee for the diet, the Atkins book warns about caffine. I use Equal as a sweetner, and cream . Was that necessary, I noticed some members mention coffee in thier posts and I do miss my morning java.
I agree with Tinakeye. Your mileage will vary, but I’ve never given it up and have experienced no adverse effects (as far as I know). My understanding (and that of my endocrinologist) is that Atkins is wrong about the caffeine/insulin response; that said, caffeine is a mild diuretic so it may slow weight loss. I drink 20 oz of coffee in the morning and a triple shot Americano (espresso and water) around 4:00 p.m. in the afternoon. I also occasionally supplement my caffeine intake with black tea. ;- I still have steadily lost weight since starting Atkins in February. Good luck! –corwalch (224/166/140) (18/10/6) Atkins since 2/5/00 Before you buy.
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I tried to give up caffeine and couldn’t do it. I’m a big fat wuss and I know it. I had the most unbelievable headache of my life, and I suffer from chronic migraines *anyway* so I already have a pretty horrible frame of reference. It was toatally debilitating, and indicitive of an addiciton that I’d rather just leave alone. Jake – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – I gave up coffee for the diet, the Atkins book warns about caffine. I use Equal as a sweetner, and cream . Was that necessary, I noticed some members mention coffee in thier posts and I do miss my morning java. bob Before you buy.
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Hi Bob: I did not give up my coffee and had no trouble losing 32 pounds. Frankly, I would rather be fat than deprive myself of that pleasure. Lou
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caffeine is a mild diuretic so it may slow weight loss.
Just out of curiouslity,w hy would a diuretic slow weight loss? thanks. BarbF
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I gave up coffee for the diet, the Atkins book warns about caffine. I use Equal as a sweetner, and cream . Was that necessary, I noticed some members mention coffee in thier posts and I do miss my morning java. bob Before you buy.
Hiya Bob, I don’t follow Atkins, but I am on another LC plan (Protein Power) and I have coffee on a pretty regular basis. No problems for me and I am happy about that as my DH makes a wicked cup o’joe! I hope you find what works best for you! S.L. MacDonald
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I gave up coffee for the diet, the Atkins book warns about caffine. I use Equal as a sweetner, and cream . Was that necessary, I noticed some members mention coffee in thier posts and I do miss my morning java. bob
I gave it up during induction. Then slowly added it back in to see what happened. I never affected me at all and I can now drink my morning coffee again. But as they say YMMV. — Mike, The Kansas Viking 210/185/175 Atkins 7/01/00
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I gave up coffee for the diet, the Atkins book warns about caffine. I use Equal as a sweetner, and cream . Was that necessary, I noticed some members mention coffee in thier posts and I do miss my morning java. bob
Try it, and see what happens. Many people do not stall from it. I drink two cups a day – one in the morning at home, and one at work. I make strong coffee, too. I LOVE coffee – the smell, the taste, mmmmmm. I like it in all it’s forms – cappuchino, esspresso, latte, or just plain mud. I use heavy whipping cream, and Splenda. Coffee is SOOOOO much better with Splenda, no "diet chemical" taste! I drink it every day, and I’m losing weight consistently. However, I AM a snob, of sorts – I won’t drink it unless it’s fresh ground beans. No freeze-dried wanna-be coffee for me! Brought home a pound of Pete’s tonight, in fact. (Safeway’s beans arent bad, either – they’ve come a long way. I like their espresso dopio better than Starbucks) There’s nothing better than coffee, except sex, and since I’m single, coffee will do for now. For now.
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WOW! I’m new here and your stats just caught my eyes! Absolutely awesome meter there!!!!! Congrats on your weight loss! Carolina – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – The ORIGINAL Serena 320/180/160(next goal) 28W/14regular/anything smaller than I am now
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I know you are (but so am I). :P~~~ Bird, Not Givin’ Up the Java 170/147 <— heh heh/125 | I tried to give up caffeine and couldn’t do it. I’m a big fat wuss and | I know it.
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I follow PP and they allow coffee so I never gave it up either , and when I’m good I lose consistantly.
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caffeine is a mild diuretic so it may slow weight loss. Just out of curiouslity,w hy would a diuretic slow weight loss?
thanks. I don’t know the physiological reason, but all the protein diets recommend stopping any diuretics before starting them. I think it has something to do with how quickly liquids are flushed from your system while on them. –corwalch Before you buy.
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I know you are (but so am I). :P~~~
I seem to be pretty immune to caffeine… [ working on my 4th cup BEFORE 8am ] Bird, Not Givin’ Up the Java 170/147 <— heh heh/125
^ | You BIG loser-bird! — – Mike
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I’m so glad that you have your priorities straight Billy. LOL I’m starting to like you more and more!! :) Now I know why. You think like me!! Taffy – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – There’s nothing better than coffee, except sex, and since I’m single, coffee will do for now. For now.
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I have been on Atkins for a year. I lost my weight in the first 3 months and drank coffee the whole time, with equal and cream. I guess it depends on the person, but I know others that had similar success. Dennis 206/182/180
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a gracile godemouche with a gramnivorous grinagog, grimaced glandaciously, grabbed a gamic gynotikolobomassophile and griped: I gave up coffee for the diet, the Atkins book warns about caffine. I use Equal as a sweetner, and cream . Was that necessary, I noticed some members mention coffee in thier posts and I do miss my morning java. bob
Well, as a bunch of folks have already said, you need to experiment on your own body and see what happens. I too gave up coffee for induction, then added it back later. I now allow myself 2 cups/day with a little cream and a couple Splenda tablets. One thing you do need to remember is that coffee *does* have carbohydrate in it; just under one gram per 8-oz. cup. We’ve grown accustomed to thinking of coffee as a ‘free’ food based on the lowfat/low cal plans, but on a carb restricted diet, it isn’t free…it’s cheap, but not free. <G Remember to count those carbs as well as the carbs in the cream and sweetener. For example, take a big mug of coffee, say a 16 oz container, which isn’t that uncommon. That’s a lot of coffee, so you’re going to add more heavy cream, let’s say 4 Tbsp. And two packets of Equal. Carb count: Coffee itself: 2-8oz cups x 1 gram = 2 grams Cream: 4 tbsp x .4 grams = 1.6 grams Equal: 2 pkt x 1 gram = 2 grams Your big mug of coffee has turned into 5.6 grams of carbohydrate. Which is fine if you can afford the carb grams. For someone trying to keep their carbs really low, that can blow it for them. Bottom line, as always, is what does it do to YOUR body? Which you won’t know until you try. I would have one heck of a time giving up my coffee now, I think….so I know how you feel. Cheryl ~~~A keyboard is no substitute for a pillow.~~~
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two or three cup of coffee a day may cut the risk of developing gallstones
I read it too on the internet Johns Hopkins Intelihealth newsletter. I subscribed to it somehow. I was new to the internet at the time.
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I found this in a Time Magazine at work, and typed/emailed it to home so I could send it to you guys. And I send it as someone who is coffee-free (even decaff-free) but perhaps temporarily …. From TIME Magazine, June 21, 1999 Page 61. Eye-opening news for coffee addicts: data on more than 45,000 men show that two or three cup of coffee a day may cut the risk of developing gallstones by 40%. Filtered, instant and espresso all seem to do the trick. But other caffeinated drinks, like tea and cola, don’t. Researchers think coffee may help flush out the gallbladder and somehow alter bile fluid. — Brenda in New Zealand Low Carb since 24 Jan 98 to reply remove xyz from address ~^
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