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Thank god I found this newsgroup.  I did not know how many other people suffered the way I do. After a trip to the neurologist and monthly trips to the doctor, we still haven’t found any type of medication that will lessen the severity of my everyday headaches.  I thought we found one for my migraines ( Amerge) but know it seems to take 6 hours for it to work.  Imitrex doesn’t work at all for me. My family doctor had upped my dosage of Propranolol about 7 times now and this doesn’t work either.  The forst neurologist didn;t even send my family doctor a report from when I went to see him.  He said my headaches are stemming from my migraines and that there is a list of meds to try!!  Why thanks doc.  When I went on this newsgroup I heard of Topomax from someone so I asked my doc.  She sai she was not familiar with it.  So now on June 12 I will go see yet another neurologist.  in the mean time my doc will up my meds once again and I will suffer until the 12 of June (at least I don’t have to wait 4 months like my first appointment) Lisa

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Hi, Lisa. Do yourself a favor and get a copy of your records from the first neurologist to take with you to this new appointment. That way, there won’t be any wait while they’re obtained. Also, it’s helpful for you to make a list of everything you’ve tried and how it did, as well as a list of questions you have. If you’re not already keeping a headache diary, it would also be a big help. Good luck, — Teri Robert your About Guide to Headaches http://headaches.about.com visit our forum at: http://headaches.about.com/mpboards.htm

– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – Thank god I found this newsgroup.  I did not know how many other people suffered the way I do. After a trip to the neurologist and monthly trips to the doctor, we still haven’t found any type of medication that will lessen the severity of my everyday headaches.  I thought we found one for my migraines ( Amerge) but know it seems to take 6 hours for it to work.  Imitrex doesn’t work at all for me. My family doctor had upped my dosage of Propranolol about 7 times now and this doesn’t work either.  The forst neurologist didn;t even send my family doctor a report from when I went to see him.  He said my headaches are stemming from my migraines and that there is a list of meds to try!!  Why thanks doc.  When I went on this newsgroup I heard of Topomax from someone so I asked my doc. She sai she was not familiar with it.  So now on June 12 I will go see yet another neurologist.  in the mean time my doc will up my meds once again and I will suffer until the 12 of June (at least I don’t have to wait 4 months like my first appointment) Lisa

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Hi Lisa.  Sounds good that at least you are getting second opinions.  I found Neurontin helped me a bit(similar to Topomax), but I have discovered not all docs are familiar with these drugs.  Best of luck with your appointment.  Gloria —

– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – Thank god I found this newsgroup.  I did not know how many other people suffered the way I do. After a trip to the neurologist and monthly trips to the doctor, we still haven’t found any type of medication that will lessen the severity of my everyday headaches.  I thought we found one for my migraines ( Amerge) but know it seems to take 6 hours for it to work.  Imitrex doesn’t work at all for me. My family doctor had upped my dosage of Propranolol about 7 times now and this doesn’t work either.  The forst neurologist didn;t even send my family doctor a report from when I went to see him.  He said my headaches are stemming from my migraines and that there is a list of meds to try!!  Why thanks doc.  When I went on this newsgroup I heard of Topomax from someone so I asked my doc. She sai she was not familiar with it.  So now on June 12 I will go see yet another neurologist.  in the mean time my doc will up my meds once again and I will suffer until the 12 of June (at least I don’t have to wait 4 months like my first appointment) Lisa

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I can’t believe it’s taken me so long to find this group.  Thanks so much for all of your fantastic info and support.  I have suffered from migraines induced by birth control pills for the last 7 years.  To answer the obvious question, I need to be on birth control pills because I have Polycystic Ovarian Disease.  Without the pills, I am a mess, adn I risk becoming infertile.  Anyway, I’ve taken Imitrex 25 mg orally for the past two years.  I’ve built up a tolerance, and now I have to take 2-4 pills to kick a headache.  I’m considering injections or the nasal spray, but I know little about them.  Any input you have would be so helpful.  Thanks!  Alisha Y.

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I can’t believe it’s taken me so long to find this group.  Thanks so much for all of your fantastic info and support.  I have suffered from migraines induced by birth control pills for the last 7 years.  To answer the obvious question, I need to be on birth control pills because I have Polycystic Ovarian Disease.  Without the pills, I am a mess, adn I risk becoming infertile.  Anyway, I’ve taken Imitrex 25 mg orally for the past two years.  I’ve built up a tolerance, and now I have to take 2-4 pills to kick a headache.  I’m considering injections or the nasal spray, but I know little about them.  Any input you have would be so helpful.  Thanks!  Alisha Y.

Hi Alisha! Welcome to the best newsgroup ever!! I’m fairly new to this ng myself and have gotten a tremendous amount of support and good advice from these people and I’m sure that you will too! Best of luck to you! If you need support or caring, please let me know! Take care! Jackie

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Hi Alisha,  I’m glad you finally found us, I was starting to get worried. :-)  I can’t help you with the Imitrex questions, since it’s never done me much good. I just wanted to welcome you to the group I wish you wouldn’t have had to look so hard to find. None of us want to have to be here, but I think I can say we’re all glad we are. The help and support to be had does an awful lot to heal. So welcome, and I’ll leave your question to those who know what they’re talking about.:-) Cyndi http://members.tripod.com/~cyn59/index.html

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Hi Alisha The reason that the jabs work better than tablets, goes something like this; The tablets have to be adsorbed in the intestine that comes after the stomach (I’ll look it up; don’t remember it’s name in English). Some people who have migraines have inflamed intestines during their attacks, and the absorption of sumatriptan (=what is in Imitrex) along with adsorption of other substances in the intestine is very slow/bad. So there is a problem with actually getting enough of it into your bloodstream. For some people it seems to work fine though. The doctors recomend that you lie down horisontaly after taking a tablet; then supposedly the uptake is better. With the injections, the active substance goes more or less straight into the blood stream, which is why it works much more efficiently for a lot of people. But you get a ’shock effect’ with this sudden increase of the chemical in your bloodstream, and a lot of people feel side effects. In any case, not all of the sumatriptan is taken up by the body when you take a tablet; that’s why the dose of the tablets are 25, 50 or100 mg, while the injection only has 8 mg (at least I think so…maybe it was 6mg…can’t remember right now) and all of it goes into your bloodstream; and finally to the neurons where it does it’s ‘job’. I don’t have any experience with nasal spray yet, but from what I’ve heard it’s pretty efficient, and the side effects don’t feel as bad. If I get more migraines I want to try it. I use tablets when I have ’small’ migraines, and when I’m not feeling too ill, but I take a jab if it’s a real headbanger.  For me I feel completely fine within 15-20 mins if I take one in the thigh. For some people Imitrex doesn’t work at all though. I’m no medical doctor or anything like that, but I heared this stuff from a neurologist who lectured about migraines. Good luck!! Anna – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – I can’t believe it’s taken me so long to find this group.  Thanks so much for all of your fantastic info and support.  I have suffered from migraines induced by birth control pills for the last 7 years.  To answer the obvious question, I need to be on birth control pills because I have Polycystic Ovarian Disease.  Without the pills, I am a mess, adn I risk becoming infertile.  Anyway, I’ve taken Imitrex 25 mg orally for the past two years.  I’ve built up a tolerance, and now I have to take 2-4 pills to kick a headache.  I’m considering injections or the nasal spray, but I know little about them.  Any input you have would be so helpful.  Thanks!  Alisha Y. Alisha, the injections work a lot better for me than the pills ever did…but they do have their side effects. Karen

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I can’t believe it’s taken me so long to find this group.  Thanks so much for all of your fantastic info and support.  I have suffered from migraines induced by birth control pills for the last 7 years.  To answer the obvious question, I need to be on birth control pills because I have Polycystic Ovarian Disease.  Without the pills, I am a mess, adn I risk becoming infertile.  Anyway, I’ve taken Imitrex 25 mg orally for the past two years.  I’ve built up a tolerance, and now I have to take 2-4 pills to kick a headache.  I’m considering injections or the nasal spray, but I know little about them.  Any input you have would be so helpful.  Thanks!  Alisha Y.

Alisha, the injections work a lot better for me than the pills ever did…but they do have their side effects. Karen

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OT – yearly checkup

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"Jennifer G." <reg…@pioneeris.net> wrote in message

news:39BEDEEB.42851CF1@pioneeris.net… – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text -> Thanks.  I hope I don’t need any help but you never know.  My mother wanted > a big family.  She was lucky to have me and during that pregnancy is when > they found the Ovarian Cysts.  It took 3 more years to have my sister and 6 > years later, when they gave up completely, they had my brother.  On the > other hand, my sister is like a Fertile Myrtle.  She got pregnant with both > my nephews while using birth control pills and condoms.  I just don’t want > to feel nor get too old before my first.  If my life went exactly the way I > wanted it to go I would of had my first child when I was 20 not trying to > get my first when I’m 30.

Believe me, I know how you feel.  I only recently gave up on the quest to have a child of my own and I am 35, almost 36 years olf.  It was very weird.  Ovarian cysts are common enough.  You may even have Polycystic Ovarian Disease.  I want you to know that many, many women come through fertility treatments successfully.  I just happen to be in the percentage that didn’t.  Have you started tracking your cycle by taking your temperature and recording it everyday?  This is the first, most basic step and the one that will save you time down the road.  Most doctors make you do that for 3-6 months before they will do anything else.  So, get started.  Also, get your hands on a copy of "Taking Charge of Your Fertility" by Toni Weschler.  It is an invaluable resource.  I would send you mine but I sent it to my sister, not that she needs it anymore since she finally had twins.  Good luck! Louise

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> Believe me, I know how you feel.  I only recently gave up on the quest > to have a child of my own and I am 35, almost 36 years olf.  It was very > weird.  Ovarian cysts are common enough.  You may even have Polycystic > Ovarian Disease.

I have to now look this up and hope I don’t have it. > I want you to know that many, many women come through > fertility treatments successfully.  I just happen to be in the > percentage that didn’t.  Have you started tracking your cycle by taking > your temperature and recording it everyday?  This is the first, most > basic step and the one that will save you time down the road.  Most > doctors make you do that for 3-6 months before they will do anything > else.  So, get started.

Haven’t started this, yet. But the doctor gave me a cycle chart to follow and if nothing happens by January we will go into more detailed stuff.  He doesn’t seem worried about anything,  He even thinks the mass is nothing but wants me to get it checked for my own peace of mind. > Also, get your hands on a copy of "Taking > Charge of Your Fertility" by Toni Weschler.  It is an invaluable > resource.  I would send you mine but I sent it to my sister, not that > she needs it anymore since she finally had twins.  Good luck!

I’ll get to ordering that from borders.com.  Thanks. Jennifer G. – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text -> Louise

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Thanks.  I hope I don’t need any help but you never know.  My mother wanted a big family.  She was lucky to have me and during that pregnancy is when they found the Ovarian Cysts.  It took 3 more years to have my sister and 6 years later, when they gave up completely, they had my brother.  On the other hand, my sister is like a Fertile Myrtle.  She got pregnant with both my nephews while using birth control pills and condoms.  I just don’t want to feel nor get too old before my first.  If my life went exactly the way I wanted it to go I would of had my first child when I was 20 not trying to get my first when I’m 30. Jennifer – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text -"L. Taylor" wrote: > Jennifer, if you ever need to talk about fertility issues, drop me a > line.  I am a self-professed expert at this point have tried over a > decade to have a child of my own.  Your doctor is right, you shouldn’t > worry before January.  Heck, most doctors will tell you not to get > concerned until you have been trying for at least a year.  And by > trying, they mean having sex with the thermometer and the chart tell you > to.  *huge hugs*  Let me know how it goes. > Louise

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news:39BD775C.11BBA6D2@pioneeris.net… > Thank you so much. > I thought I wasn’t worried but sitting here alone tonight while SS is > sleeping and DH is at the Jet’s game, it’s starting to get to me.  My > mother told me not to worry, this is common in our family but when > someone tells you not to worry you can’t help but worry more. > DH wanted to stay home tonight but I told him to go.  He had the > tickets for awhile and it’s no sense to miss that for no reason.  But > I do want him to go with me when I go for the ultra sound and he said > he would.

Jennifer, if you ever need to talk about fertility issues, drop me a line.  I am a self-professed expert at this point have tried over a decade to have a child of my own.  Your doctor is right, you shouldn’t worry before January.  Heck, most doctors will tell you not to get concerned until you have been trying for at least a year.  And by trying, they mean having sex with the thermometer and the chart tell you to.  *huge hugs*  Let me know how it goes. Louise

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You didn’t ask for them but I’m sending my well wishes. Hope everything will be fine. Merrie Jennifer G. <reg…@pioneeris.net> wrote in message

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Thank you so much. I thought I wasn’t worried but sitting here alone tonight while SS is sleeping and DH is at the Jet’s game, it’s starting to get to me.  My mother told me not to worry, this is common in our family but when someone tells you not to worry you can’t help but worry more. DH wanted to stay home tonight but I told him to go.  He had the tickets for awhile and it’s no sense to miss that for no reason.  But I do want him to go with me when I go for the ultra sound and he said he would. Jennifer – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text -merrie wrote: > You didn’t ask for them but I’m sending my well wishes. > Hope everything will be fine. > Merrie > Jennifer G. <reg…@pioneeris.net> wrote in message > news:39BD3D18.2F5EAD4C@pioneeris.net…

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Hi everyone.  Today I went for my annual physical and pap smear. Unfortunately my usual ob/gyn has retired so I had to go to a new one.  Now I have to go for an ultrasound because he thinks he found a growth.  He says it might not be one it just might be the way I’m shaped but he’s not taking any chances.  Plus there is a history of Ovarian Cysts in my family (every Aunt had them, my Mother and my Sister). He is also sending my husband for a sperm count because we’ve been trying to get pregnant since April with no luck.  He also says that I should not be concerned with that unless January rolls around and I’m still not pregnant.  In that case, we do more extensive fertility testing etc.. So now to make an appointment for blood work, an ultrasound and for my husbands sperm count –(wait till I tell him that, and we’re not even sure if it will be covered by our insurance). Also, SS came up to me earlier last week and asked me when he will have that new brother that he wants.  He’s 10 and I really think he just wants a bunk bed. LOL? thanks for letting me get that off my chest Jennifer G

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Polycystic Ovarian Disease

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Hi everyone – I’d like to hear from anyone out there that has polycystic ovaries like me.  I am 23 and was given this diagnosis 2 years ago.  I was given birth control, told to stay on this until I intend to get pregnant, and that I may have to take Clomid in order to get pregnant? Is this normal for anyone else out there? I feel like I am supposed to go through my 20s waiting for the inevitability of not being able to conceive, which I very much want to do!! It’s depressing as hell sometimes, because I feel helpless and at the mercy of my doctor who seems to give little info about my real chances of having babies.  Any info or feedback, I’d really appreciate it! Thanks, –Mayte31 * Sent from AltaVista http://www.altavista.com Where you can also find related Web Pages, Images, Audios, Videos, News, and Shopping.  Smart is Beautiful

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Hi.  I have PCOS, too.  I was Dx’d two years ago.  Before I was Dx’d, I was on BCP’s for quite a long time.  I found out that BCP’s aren’t very useful for women with PCOS because it only treats one of the symptoms.  You need to either find an RE (Reproductive Endocrinologist) or a GYN who specializes in PCOS who will put you on Metformin.  Metformin helps to treat PCOS by treating the underlying cause of PCOS, which is Insulin Resistance. As for conceiving, it depends on how far advanced your PCOS is.  If you’ve lost all function of your ovaries like I did, it will be a bit more difficult.  I good resource for information about PCOS and conceiving is to check out the web site for PCOSupport.  The web address is www.pcosupport.org .  You also might want to talk to some women on the newsgroup alt.support.pco, they might be able to give you some more information. Hope this helped and I wish you the best of luck. Rosemarie – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – Hi everyone – I’d like to hear from anyone out there that has polycystic ovaries like me.  I am 23 and was given this diagnosis 2 years ago.  I was given birth control, told to stay on this until I intend to get pregnant, and that I may have to take Clomid in order to get pregnant? Is this normal for anyone else out there? I feel like I am supposed to go through my 20s waiting for the inevitability of not being able to conceive, which I very much want to do!! It’s depressing as hell sometimes, because I feel helpless and at the mercy of my doctor who seems to give little info about my real chances of having babies.  Any info or feedback, I’d really appreciate it! Thanks, –Mayte31 * Sent from AltaVista http://www.altavista.com Where you can also find

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what is pco?

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Polycystic Ovarian Disease

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Polycystic Ovary Disease To learn more about it go to http://www.geocities.com/pcoifdreams/ ~~Best wishes that all of your hopes and dreams come true~~ Cyndie TTCx5yrs DES exposure 1 ectopic Many miscarriages (last one 9/99) 1 lap Back in the saddle..I mean stirrups again!!!!! Morgan, you will live in my heart and soul forever.

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PCO stands for Poly-cystic ovaries.  I was just finally formally diagnosed with this on Monday.  It’s when your body fails to make mature follicles and instead of dropping an egg, they stay as cysts in your ovaries.  It also has a bit to do with insulin resistance and hormone imbalances, but I don’t have a lot of info on that yet.  If anyone has any good PCO support links or information links, I would be really interested in learning more about my diagnosis.

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<<PCO stands for Poly-cystic ovaries.  I was just finally formally diagnosed with this on Monday.  It’s when your body fails to make mature follicles and instead of dropping an egg, they stay as cysts in your ovaries. It sound like you’re defining PAO…polycystic appearing ovaries.  Anyone can have immature follicles which stay as cysts, but that doesn’t mean you have the *syndrome*…..PCOS.  (PCOS is sometimes referred to as "PCO", tho.  Is also referred to as PCOD….polycystic ovary disease.) <<  It also has a bit to do with insulin resistance and hormone imbalances… pcoS has *everything* to do with insulin resistance and hormonal imbalances….elevated free testosterone, elevated LH, etc.  In fact, you can have PCOS (they syndrome) *without* having any cysts on your ovaries. PCOS, the syndrome, is diagnosed by a combination of a variety of symptoms, which may or may not include tiny cysts (unruptured follicles).  Such symptoms include irregular or absent periods, male pattern hair loss/growth, acne, acanthosa nigricans, skin tags, insulin resistance, elevated LH and free testosterone, << If anyone has any good PCO support links or information links, I would be really interested in learning more about my diagnosis. Here’s a bunch: http://blues.fd1.uc.edu/~gartsips/polycyst.htm http://www.pcosupport.org/ http://www.pcosupport.org/pcosinfo/facts.html http://news.lycos.com/stories/Health/19990428RTHEALTH-PO10.asp

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I was wondering if what you described is any thing like my situation.I was put on Clomid to help the follicals mature better.I have 24 day cycles and doc felt like with my cycles being so short that the follicals may not be maturing good enough.After taking the Clomid my cycles were 30 days. — Free audio & video emails, greeting cards and forums Talkway – http://www.talkway.com – Talk more ways (sm)

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<<I was wondering if what you described is any thing like my situation.I was put on Clomid to help the follicals mature better.I have 24 day cycles….After taking the Clomid my cycles were 30 days. I have never heard of PCOS being associated with short cycles.  Usually, the cycle irregularities associated w/PCOS are very long cycles (like cycling only a few times a year) or lack of cycles, altogether.

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What is PCO? JeanMarie

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JeanMarie,   Please check out www.pcosupport.org for information on PCO. Heather Nottingham in Albuquerque, NM Check out the following websites for chats: http://www.pcosupport.org/online/prechat.html Check out my PCOS Web Page!!!! http://www.geocities.com/HotSprings/Sauna/9006/index.html Please sign my guest book!!

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for those who had hyst w/ ooph

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I didn’t have a hyst. but I did just have a laporotomy in Feb. and I felt great the first week home from the hospital. Then it has been up and down from there on. Last Friday I had very minimal pain then a horrible weekend and week. Yesterday and today have been quite good to where I’m almost afraid to tell anyone how good I feel. But it has been up and down for me. I had 5 surgeries 10 yrs ago and I got very ill since then. I’ve been told to be patient that it will take time as my body was very run down. I’m still not back at work yet and not planning to until a few more weeks. I’m glad you are feeling well and pain free most days. I agree it does feel weird. I even have an appt with a therapist to help me deal with being a well person and relating to people. I’ve only ever been a sick person for most of my 35 yrs. I’m almost afraid to be healthy as I don’t know what to do, so I thought professional help would be good. – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text -hi all i had my endo adhesion vag assisted hyst and bilateral ooph one week ago today on april 15th.. like many of you i suffered tremendous amounts of pain.. thing is i feel great.. 3days after surgery i shopped for 45 mins..then day i met dr redwine for post op check which was 5 days later mom and i went to breakfast and i shopped again maybe another hour..ok was buying souveniers sp? i feel not up to speed which is obvious..areas where lap was in are sore and i little bruised.. but i feel so good.. has anyone else felt this great and then start to feel bad.. or is it i suffered so much with everything gone the pain is gone and i will feel great?? i told redwine ifi continued to feel like this id be happy because its better than i was before.. but he said ill improve as i heal completely.. does it seem so far fetched that a person could feel so great?? im waiting for the shoe to drop and start to feel bad..curious to others experiences.. i started the estrogen.. also curious the next time it was due for your period how did your body react? or did it do anything different??? i forgot to ask him and will see my regular gyn may 12th.. but by that time i will have had a period due.. just curious.. i guess there is still alot to learn and to see how my body does..but i still cant get over how great i feel..i can walk normal..not hunched over like past surgeries.. lower back is still alittle sore..but nothing like before and otherwise i have no other pain from the past.. im almost afraid to believe that i could continue to feel this good.. scary i dont know what its like to not have pain.. hmm starting my life over again at 34.. id appreciate any advice or help on your experiences jennifer

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Hi Jennifer.  I had a TAH/RSO in February and like you I’ve never felt better. I had an infection around the remaining ovary and had to deal with that.   It is now what would be the week before my time.  I can tell I’m experiencing PMS symptoms but nothing like before and there is NO PAIN!!  The surgery was a "piece of cake" compared to what I went through every day before.   Best of luck to you and I hope you continue to do well. Kellie

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Hi group, I’m a 24 who had experienced major pain and bloating since the age of 14. I had many of sugeries performed to try to correct the problem but nothing seemed to work they even tried me on the pill. I had endo and cysts. The  cysts keep bursting creating infection which keep causing pain. My sromache was constantly swollen looking has if I was 4 months pregnant. I just recently swithched Dr. which came to the conculsion that I was suffering from several different things  they were endo , Polycystic Ovarian Disease, PID, and adhensions. When he first  informed me that I had PID I was devasted thinking that this was only a sexually transmitted disease, not knowig that it can happen when you have so many infections such has I did. The infections created adhensions along with my previos sugeries creating my bowel and bladder to be wrapped so tightly that I experienced difficulty with both. Both of my ovaries were wrapped inadhensions including my uterus. My Dr. came to the only solution that he could think of and that was to perform a TAH/OOPH.Of course I saught out a second opinion be that I am only 24 and childless and she agreed with his decision.SO here I am 12 weeks post-op and feeing better than ever.The day after my surgery I was up and walking around feeing GREAT, my Dr. was impressed with how my energy I had. I was excited that for once in my life i wasn’t in pain and that was a time I should of been in some with a incesion and all. But I guess anything is better than dealing with the pain I was in. Now I am able to enjoy my sex life to the fulliest,without the horrible pain that I felt before.I also take the hormone replacement and haven’t experienced any problems with them. I’m for once in my life emotionally and physically happy. Thanks for listening and if anyone has an question feel free to

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hi all i had my endo adhesion vag assisted hyst and bilateral ooph one week ago today on april 15th.. like many of you i suffered tremendous amounts of pain.. thing is i feel great.. 3days after surgery i shopped for 45 mins..then day i met dr redwine for post op check which was 5 days later mom and i went to breakfast and i shopped again maybe another hour..ok was buying souveniers sp? i feel not up to speed which is obvious..areas where lap was in are sore and i little bruised.. but i feel so good.. has anyone else felt this great and then start to feel bad.. or is it i suffered so much with everything gone the pain is gone and i will feel great?? i told redwine ifi continued to feel like this id be happy because its better than i was before.. but he said ill improve as i heal completely.. does it seem so far fetched that a person could feel so great?? im waiting for the shoe to drop and start to feel bad..curious to others experiences.. i started the estrogen.. also curious the next time it was due for your period how did your body react? or did it do anything different??? i forgot to ask him and will see my regular gyn may 12th.. but by that time i will have had a period due.. just curious.. i guess there is still alot to learn and to see how my body does..but i still cant get over how great i feel..i can walk normal..not hunched over like past surgeries.. lower back is still alittle sore..but nothing like before and otherwise i have no other pain from the past.. im almost afraid to believe that i could continue to feel this good.. scary i dont know what its like to not have pain.. hmm starting my life over again at 34.. id appreciate any advice or help on your experiences jennifer

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Rachel, I had a hyster. in April and the rt ovary and tube removed in Nov. and still have the same pain, only somewhat diminished. I don’t want to depress you, just let you know that sometimes the endo implants that are causing pain are the small ones that many doctors won’t even recognize, much less remove. So get a good doc if you’re going to go the major surgery route, and make sure it’s someone who specializes in endo, to maximize your chances of getting the relief you’re looking for.  Vivia

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Rachel, Welcome to the bestest place for support from the nicest people!!  You are not alone!!!! Love, Lee Ann Friend’s are a very special gift from God!!

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HI, I’m new to the board too. So i guess thats why i was drawn to you. I truly understand your pain. I have had endo for about eight years now. And after may last surg. found out i also have polycystic ovarian disease. After 4 surg.and going on lupron i thought that this has to get better, but as i’m sure you know it doesn’t. I’m due to go back to the dr. next week. I hope your surgery goes well, I wish you the best. Since this is my first time doing this i feel i could go on and on. And i guess i’m just having a bad day. I would love to hear how your doing, or maybe you just want to vent. Please write.

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Just wanted to welcome you to the group, although I’m sorry you were compelled to find us.  By the way, why were you going to have your right ovary and tube removed?  You don’t necessarily have to lose whole organs just to remove endo.  Well, I hope you feel welcome here–glad you found us! Painfree wishes! Jodi B.

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Thanks Jodi,Already I have been made feel very welcome.I know I dont have to get these organs removed to get rid of the endo but I am finished having kids and just want to get rid of everything on the off chance that it wont come back.I may even be having a hyster and that doesn’t bother me at all.I just want to live my life without pain.And if that means drastic surgery I’ll take it. TTFN…….Rachel

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Annie,  Good luck on the lap.  Hope it gets you what you want! Love Deb – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – Welcome to gang!  You’ll find lots of info, support and fun here.  I was also diagnosed last year and will be having another lap on March 8th. They will be hopefully only excising the endo.  I am trying to get pregnant without any luck so far due to the endo probably. Hugs, — Annie P. ICQ# 6715352 Thank God I found someplace where everyone is going through the same thing..I was diagosed last year and am planning on having surgery soon to remove the tube and ovary on my right side.The thing is now though that I think it’s on the left side too.The pain started there awhile ago.I have also noticed  that my uterus has moved down slightly and the pain is intense.I’m afraid the endo has progressed rapidly sine last year. Anyway the reason I’m posting is I guess for understanding and support from someone who is going through something similiar. I hope someone will respond…                                [Image] [Image] [Click for Dayton, Ohio Forecast]

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Well I think it’s a great way to spend International Women’s Day.  (March 8) Hope it all goes well for you. Crystal – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – Welcome to gang!  You’ll find lots of info, support and fun here.  I was also diagnosed last year and will be having another lap on March 8th. They will be hopefully only excising the endo.  I am trying to get pregnant without any luck so far due to the endo probably. Hugs, — Annie P. ICQ# 6715352 Thank God I found someplace where everyone is going through the same thing..I was diagosed last year and am planning on having surgery soon to remove the tube and ovary on my right side.The thing is now though that I think it’s on the left side too.The pain started there awhile ago.I have also noticed  that my uterus has moved down slightly and the pain is intense.I’m afraid the endo has progressed rapidly sine last year. Anyway the reason I’m posting is I guess for understanding and support from someone who is going through something similiar. I hope someone will respond…                                [Image] [Image] [Click for Dayton, Ohio Forecast]

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Welcome to gang!  You’ll find lots of info, support and fun here.  I was also diagnosed last year and will be having another lap on March 8th. They will be hopefully only excising the endo.  I am trying to get pregnant without any luck so far due to the endo probably. Hugs, — Annie P. ICQ# 6715352 – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – Thank God I found someplace where everyone is going through the same thing..I was diagosed last year and am planning on having surgery soon to remove the tube and ovary on my right side.The thing is now though that I think it’s on the left side too.The pain started there awhile ago.I have also noticed  that my uterus has moved down slightly and the pain is intense.I’m afraid the endo has progressed rapidly sine last year. Anyway the reason I’m posting is I guess for understanding and support from someone who is going through something similiar. I hope someone will respond…                                [Image] [Image] [Click for Dayton, Ohio Forecast]

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Hi and welcome!  I’m glad you found us.  I was just diagnosed last year too and have gotten progressively worse also.  I know it’s been a lot of help to me to know there’s so many others that understand what I’m going through here.   Welcome! Darcy     Thank God I found someplace where everyone is going through the same     thing..I was diagosed last year and am planning on having surgery soon     to remove the tube and ovary on my right side.The thing is now though     that I think it’s on the left side too.The pain started there awhile     ago.I have also noticed  that my uterus has moved down slightly and the     pain is intense.I’m afraid the endo has progressed rapidly sine last     year.     Anyway the reason I’m posting is I guess for understanding and support     from someone who is going through something similiar.     I hope someone will respond…

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Thank God I found someplace where everyone is going through the same thing..I was diagosed last year and am planning on having surgery soon to remove the tube and ovary on my right side.The thing is now though that I think it’s on the left side too.The pain started there awhile ago.I have also noticed  that my uterus has moved down slightly and the pain is intense.I’m afraid the endo has progressed rapidly sine last year. Anyway the reason I’m posting is I guess for understanding and support from someone who is going through something similiar. I hope someone will respond…

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provera?

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my doc wants to give me provera to start my period? what can anyone tell me about the risks, side effects, ect… thanks, sheryl

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Provera is very good medicatiion. There are little or no side effects, I have problems starting my period on my own, so I take provera every month . Although I do seem to eat a little more but its not a problem. If you have any other concerns please feel free to e-mail me .  I also had to take c lomid(sereophene) fertility drugs to conceive both of my children.  

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Hi,           I have polycystic ovarian disease and I never have a period. So I take provera for the first ten days of every month, and while I still don’t consider it a period, it is helping. I have never had any side effects from it. I think it is a good drug… Kim

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<<my doc wants to give me provera to start my period? what can anyone tell me about the risks, side effects, ect… This website will tell you all you ever wanted to know about Provera: http://www.druginfonet.com/provera.htm

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Here’s what I know..Provera 95% of the time stimulates menstruation and 5% of the time stimulates ovulation.  I just took it because I have wildly long cycles and, guess what, even after the first false negative test, turns out that I’m pregant.  It’s not ideal to take Provera during a pregnancy, so be very sure that you are not pg before you take it.  In fact, if there’s a chance you are, wait a week and then do another pg test.  Wish I had… – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – my doc wants to give me provera to start my period? what can anyone tell me about the risks, side effects, ect… thanks, sheryl

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thanks for the info, and CONGRATULATIONS!!!! ON YOUR PG! best wishes for a wonderful 9 months sheryl

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Thanks and ??????

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Thanks to all who responded to my intro.  I have been down in bed with the horrible pains for about 3 days now.  AndDh has deleted alot of messages that I wanted to respond to LOL.  Also I had someone ask me what PCOS was. It is polycystic ovarian disease, if you want a definition let me know and I will be glad to give you one. Ok here’s the questions. 1)  About 1 hour before I feel the urger to urinate, I feel a burning sensation through my vagina and up into my stomach.  I do not have any burning or pain when I do urinate though.  Has anyone else had this? 2)  Does anyone else get back aches?  I have had a back ache for 2 days now that will not go away. TIA and Take Care!!!!!!

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I get backaches from hell that last almost all month long.  I do not have the problems with urination though.  Have you been checked for an infection?  Just a thought. Take Care Sarah in Texas – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – Thanks to all who responded to my intro.  I have been down in bed with the horrible pains for about 3 days now.  AndDh has deleted alot of messages that I wanted to respond to LOL.  Also I had someone ask me what PCOS was. It is polycystic ovarian disease, if you want a definition let me know and I will be glad to give you one. Ok here’s the questions. 1)  About 1 hour before I feel the urger to urinate, I feel a burning sensation through my vagina and up into my stomach.  I do not have any burning or pain when I do urinate though.  Has anyone else had this? 2)  Does anyone else get back aches?  I have had a back ache for 2 days now that will not go away. TIA and Take Care!!!!!!

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Penny, Sorry your feeling so rotten.  Yes, I have horrible back aches. Usually low on the left side.  I have a rice pillow you heat in the microwave and use as a heating pad.  Sometimes that helps. Good luck and I hope you feel better soon.

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Metaformin for PCOD??

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has anyone heard of this new drug Metaformin to help people with polycystic ovarian disease become pregnant? If anyone has please post or email me, until then I will wait for my fertility doctor to call me. I have been trying for 6 years and still no pregnancies. We were able to get some eggs but never got pregnant. Hopefully this will be the answer for me. Thanks

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The first time on metformin I became pregnant. I also did 150mg clomid cd5-9 and 2 amp fertinex cd 10-16. I produced at least 3 great follicles on the day of hcg shot. Who knows how many matured and ovulated 36 hours later. I felt like a chicken must when she is laying her eggsLOL.I think the metformin helped my ovaries to respond to the fertility drugs better. once I got pregnant I stopped the metformin but MC 2 week later=(  .I will probably start the metformin very soon again so my body ought to be good and ready to get pregnant again and for keeps the begining of the new year.The metformin helps regulate the insulin levels in you body .The insulin levels have something to do with cysts on the ovaries.I really haven’t looked into it that much ,alls I know is I conceived a precious angel while using it and I also have pco.Good luck to you. you will be in my thoughts and prayers. KIM    ^^<             ”           =0=            ~~     0ne angel 11-2-98 ^i^

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<<has anyone heard of this new drug Metaformin to help people with polycystic ovarian disease become pregnant? Metformin (glucophage) is an old drug, with a new use.  It is commonly used to control Type II diabetes, but has been found to help with PCOS (which is thought to be caused by insulin resistance).  To learn more about Metformin’s use with PCOS, try this website…it’s very interesting and should help. http://www.uc.edu/~gartsips/Index.htm#topics Click on the PCOS link when you get there.  -K

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Metformin is very helpful for PCOS women that have the insulin resistance component (high blood glucose levels) and this is easily and cheaply tested with a Dr ordered lab test for a fasting 2 hour Glucose Tolerance Test. My RE has seen positive results when patients do have insulin resistance, but that it does not help if you have no blood sugar problems. Here’s the link to the New England Journal of Medicine, where you can order the full study text. http://www.nejm.org/content/1998/0338/0026/1876.asp Regards, Kaitlyn I HATE Metformin, but am taking it!

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has anyone heard of this new drug Metaformin to help people with polycystic ovarian disease become pregnant?

I am on metformin and i have been for a month and am diagnosed as PCO and high insulin. I ovulated without fertility drugs!! I just found out yesterday!! Supposedly in PCO’ers lowering the insulin suppresses the androgens around the ovary which in turn causes ovulation if that doesnt work, they can pair it with fertility drugs and you will respond better. Have your dr do a fasting insulin and glucose test and go from there.  Feel free to ask me any more questions Love shelley

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I am pregnant (at 37) after taking Metformin for three months, losing 37 pounds on Richard Simmons Deal-a-Meal (I am now 250, was 287!) and then having a stimulated cycle (Gonal- f, HCG, IUI, Crinone). I had been TTC for 4 years. I totally credit the Metformin with enabling me to become pregnant: I had done THREE IVFs prior to this(48 useless eggs on one of the tries!) plus two frozen cycles: none ever worked. The embryos appeared to be perfect every time — 9 and 10 cells (well, the previously frozen ones were 5 – 7). My doctor explained something to me about how, prior to Metformin, the eggs had been maturing in follicles which were providing an inhospitable hormonal environment and, thus, despite the good appearance (I had implantation 4 times but they were chemical pregnancy), they never really had a chance because they were not "Good Eggs." Go for it, girl! Metformin worked for me! I can’t even believe it’s me this time…Metformin is a miracle!

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I am on metformin and i have been for a month and am diagnosed as PCO and high insulin. I ovulated without fertility drugs!! I just found out yesterday!!

What dose of metformin were you on?  How long had you been on the full dose?  I’m on 1500mg a day, but have only been on the full dose for about 2.5 weeks.  I’m taking provera right now and then on day 21 of next cycle RE will start checking progesterone level for ovulation.  My RE didn’t give me any test to see if I was insulin resistant.  He said even if I wasn’t, it would make me respond better to fertility drugs.  I just hope I ovulate without one fertility drug.  I’m sick of shots, IUI’s and only having sex when it’s allowed.  I’m sorry for rambling, I just thought I could get some encouragement from your story. Thanks! Nicole Blythe

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<<Metformin is very helpful for PCOS women that have the insulin resistance component (high blood glucose levels) Actually, you can be insulin resistant and have normal blood glucose levels. With PCOS, the concern is with elevated *insulin* levels.  The glucose tolerance test is a good indicator, but 2-hr insulin levels must be measured at the same time. High glucose levels can indicate type II diabetes (w/insulin resistance), which is also treated w/metformin.

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What dose of metformin were you on?

I was at 2000 now i went back down to 1000 and will go up to 1500 next week. The 2000 made me very sick.   How long had you been on the full dose?

I slowly worked my way up….every week i went up 500 mg.   I have been on met for about a month and a half. The weird thing is I was waiting for af to come and during that time span i ovulated a second time without af even showing. strange!! RE didn’t give me any test to see if I was insulin resistant.  He said even if I wasn’t, it would make me respond better to fertility drugs.  

insulin resistance and treating that helps the PCO symptoms. That concerns me that he prescribed it without checking your levels. But yes if you are IR it will definetely either cause ovulation or paired with fertility drugs you will be a better responder. Have your dr. check your levels, metformin has some pretty nasty side effects. and I know how you feel about all shots and planning sex, but hopefully metformin will be your wonder drug! God Bless you, shelley

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Hello. My name is Carol. I was recently diagnosed with PCO  also. My doctor started me on BC pills for about two months then switched me to glucophage for the past month even though I was not insulin resistant. After about 2 weeks I had a menstral cycle. I just had my levels of testosterone and LH levels checked today hopefully they will be lower. My doctor says that glucphage will work whether or not you are actually insulin resistant. Please let me know if you have  new, and good luck to you all. Carol

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congrats. !!!!! That is such good news. I just started on metformin about 45days also. Please keep me informed on how everyting is going Carol

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blood sugar reading advice

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I read that sugar spills over into the blood at something above 180.

As in all things diabetic, the range of variability is large. The most often quoted threshold figure is 240, but there are people who pass glucose at almost normal levels and those who don’t at severely elevated levels. A request, when you respond to a post edit the included material from the last post so that only the relevent portions are left.  It makes life easier for those reading your post and especially those who are paying for every byte that crosses their phone line. — Charly Coughran

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Sorry to anyone who doesn’t know why I’m not including the message in this response but, apparently it’s more important to save bytes??? I’d rather pay for the bytes and know what someone is talking about, myself.

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Sorry to anyone who doesn’t know why I’m not including the message in this response but, apparently it’s more important to save bytes???

There is a middle ground, which is to quote from enough of the previous post to give a context, without reproducing the whole thing. This is particularly a good idea if the post you are responding to is a lengthy one.   Harper *** Robin Carroll-Mann To email me, remove the fish from my address Type II, dx’d 8/96, diet & exercise "Mostly Harmless" — Douglas Adams

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- Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – These are my fasting blood glucose readings and I am wondering if they make me technically diabetic.  I am an overweight 35 year old female with polycystic ovarian disease.  My doctor has had me keep track of my fasting blood sugar readings for the last two weeks since I had a urine test that showed sugar in my urine. 114 113 122 X 148 105 103 X 130 122 125 125 116 116 110

The two I’ve marked with an X are clearly in the diabetic range. However, if you used a home blood glucose testing device to measure whole blood, chances are that all your readings are actually somewhat higher.  The standard for an initial diagnosis of diabetes is a fasting **plasma** glucose (FPG) of 126mg/dl or above on two separate days.  (A laboratory uses plasma rather than whole blood to measure BG.) In any event, your readings are high enough to warrant further testing — probably via a glycosolated hemoglobin (HbA1C) test, which measures your blood sugar level over the past three months. dkc [posted & e-mailed] David Cohler, South Pasadena, CA Media Access Consultancy http://members.tripod.com/~dcohler/media.htm [To reply by e-mail, delete "removeme." -- including the extra "."]

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Being diabetic myself and finding out I was so after many years of unwitting damage to my feet and toes, I only wish somone had suggested diabetes when knowing about it early on might have made a difference. Dear friend, assume you have diabetes now and change the manner in which you live immediately.  Another week, another year, is too long to wonder and to continue down the possible path to disaster.  Assume that a improved diet, a small amount of regular exercise and close monitoring of your blood sugar, is probably what EVERYONE should be doing.  If you agree with my position, then make these changes for you…NOW. As for your meter readings.  Sure, they reflect a glucose problem…but, then, they may reflect a problem elsewhere, too.  Until you know for sure, consider the future of your eyes, your liver, your toes and feet, and get on with improving your health habits while you till have the time. Most sincerely, Jack – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text –  These are my blood glucose readings and I am wondering if they make me  technically diabetic.  I am an overweight 35 year old female with polycystic  ovarian disease.  My doctor has had me keep track of my fasting blood sugar  readings for the last two weeks since I had a urine test that showed sugar in  my urine.  114  113  122  148  105  103  130  122  125  125  116  116  110  All of these were first thing in the morning with at least 10 hours since  eating anything.  On most of these days, I’m ashamed to say, I didn’t do much  if any excercise other than my normal daily activity of housecleaning,  errands, etc. There’s one fairly high reading there, but generally speaking, you’re in the borderline high range. Stereotypes tell us that Type 2 diabetes most commonly appears in the 40s, and if you are fat and have poly, it’s a fairly reasonable conjecture that you are developing diabetes. Mind you, diabetes is only diagnosed when the body is no longer able to compensate. The disorder is causing damage long before that. They find damage from diabetic retinopathy occurring a half-dozen years before diabetes can be diagnosed. And don’t apologize about exercising. It is *not* necessary the activity to be mindless and useless in order for it to "count". Ditch diggers and hod carriers get the benefit of that heavy labor, even if they didn’t have to spend a fortune at the gym. Deke —- Nice Guys. Not Married. And they like women with curves. Sound like you? Join us at GenerousCity. Search the profiles. Talk on our Discussion list, or join us for live chat. And you *never* pay anything.   http://generous.net

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I read that sugar spills over into the blood at something above 180.

This was obviously a typo. Sugar spills over into *URINE* at something over 180 mg/dL. It varies from person to person, as well. —                                 Nico Kadel-Garcia, ne’ Garcia <PGP is obviously a good idea: look at who objects to it.

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I read that sugar spills over into the blood at something above 180. – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – These are my blood glucose readings and I am wondering if they make me technically diabetic.  I am an overweight 35 year old female with polycystic ovarian disease.  My doctor has had me keep track of my fasting blood sugar readings for the last two weeks since I had a urine test that showed sugar in my urine. 114 113 122 148 105 103 130 122 125 125 116 116 110 All of these were first thing in the morning with at least 10 hours since eating anything.  On most of these days, I’m ashamed to say, I didn’t do much if any excercise other than my normal daily activity of housecleaning, errands, etc. None of those are outrageous. Fasting is supposed to be 80-126. You went over only a couple of times, and those readings could be attributed to just bad tests (the meters are not perfect). You do seem to be at the top of the range, though. Spilling sugar into the urine doesn’t usually happen unless the level is ~300 or more. I wonder what caused that to happen. You might try a different kind of test. Normal range before meals should be 80-110 or so, peaking at about 140-150 at ~1.5 hours after a meal. There is a lot of individual variation — some nondiabetics peak as high as 180 after a meal, but that is the absolute highest one should be without being considered diabetic. What you could do is drive your BG down to the floor by going for a long hike on an empty stomach. Have a meal ready to eat when you return. Make it a normal type meal with a good balance of carbs, protein, fat, etc. Write down what the meal consists of for possible future discussion with your doc. Test yourself as soon as you get back, then eat. Continue testing yourself every fifteen minutes for the first couple of hours. Take a look at the results. It should show a nice gentle curve up to about 140-150, then gradually fall back to 110-120 or so and stay there until you start feeling hungry again. If you see something remarkably different, show the results to your doc. Most authorities feel that damage from running high blood sugars isn’t excessive until you are over 180 or so. Some doc’s like a little lower limit. Most of us shoot for being under 150 with an average of 110-120, but few of us are anywhere near good enough to accomplish that goal. NOTICE: The e-mail address is deliberately incorrect. Make the ISP read "nwpacifica.net" by adding a "w."

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Being diabetic myself and finding out I was so after many years of unwitting damage to my feet and toes, I only wish somone had suggested diabetes when knowing about it early on might have made a difference. Dear friend, assume you have diabetes now and change the manner in which you live immediately.  Another week, another year, is too long to wonder and to continue down the possible path to disaster.  Assume that a improved diet, a small amount of regular exercise and close monitoring of your blood sugar, is probably what EVERYONE should be doing.  If you agree with my position, then make these changes for you…NOW. As for your meter readings.  Sure, they reflect a glucose problem…but, then, they may reflect a problem elsewhere, too.  Until you know for sure, consider the future of your eyes, your liver, your toes and feet, and get on with improving your health habits while you till have the time. Mot sincerely, Jack – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text –  These are my blood glucose readings and I am wondering if they make me  technically diabetic.  I am an overweight 35 year old female with polycystic  ovarian disease.  My doctor has had me keep track of my fasting blood sugar  readings for the last two weeks since I had a urine test that showed sugar in  my urine.  114  113  122  148  105  103  130  122  125  125  116  116  110  All of these were first thing in the morning with at least 10 hours since  eating anything.  On most of these days, I’m ashamed to say, I didn’t do much  if any excercise other than my normal daily activity of housecleaning,  errands, etc. There’s one fairly high reading there, but generally speaking, you’re in the borderline high range. Stereotypes tell us that Type 2 diabetes most commonly appears in the 40s, and if you are fat and have poly, it’s a fairly reasonable conjecture that you are developing diabetes. Mind you, diabetes is only diagnosed when the body is no longer able to compensate. The disorder is causing damage long before that. They find damage from diabetic retinopathy occurring a half-dozen years before diabetes can be diagnosed. And don’t apologize about exercising. It is *not* necessary the activity to be mindless and useless in order for it to "count". Ditch diggers and hod carriers get the benefit of that heavy labor, even if they didn’t have to spend a fortune at the gym. Deke —- Nice Guys. Not Married. And they like women with curves. Sound like you? Join us at GenerousCity. Search the profiles. Talk on our Discussion list, or join us for live chat. And you *never* pay anything.   http://generous.net

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– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text -These are my blood glucose readings and I am wondering if they make me technically diabetic.  I am an overweight 35 year old female with polycystic ovarian disease.  My doctor has had me keep track of my fasting blood sugar readings for the last two weeks since I had a urine test that showed sugar in my urine. 114 113 122 148 105 103 130 122 125 125 116 116 110 All of these were first thing in the morning with at least 10 hours since eating anything.  On most of these days, I’m ashamed to say, I didn’t do much if any excercise other than my normal daily activity of housecleaning, errands, etc.

None of those are outrageous. Fasting is supposed to be 80-126. You went over only a couple of times, and those readings could be attributed to just bad tests (the meters are not perfect). You do seem to be at the top of the range, though. Spilling sugar into the urine doesn’t usually happen unless the level is ~300 or more. I wonder what caused that to happen. You might try a different kind of test. Normal range before meals should be 80-110 or so, peaking at about 140-150 at ~1.5 hours after a meal. There is a lot of individual variation — some nondiabetics peak as high as 180 after a meal, but that is the absolute highest one should be without being considered diabetic. What you could do is drive your BG down to the floor by going for a long hike on an empty stomach. Have a meal ready to eat when you return. Make it a normal type meal with a good balance of carbs, protein, fat, etc. Write down what the meal consists of for possible future discussion with your doc. Test yourself as soon as you get back, then eat. Continue testing yourself every fifteen minutes for the first couple of hours. Take a look at the results. It should show a nice gentle curve up to about 140-150, then gradually fall back to 110-120 or so and stay there until you start feeling hungry again. If you see something remarkably different, show the results to your doc. Most authorities feel that damage from running high blood sugars isn’t excessive until you are over 180 or so. Some doc’s like a little lower limit. Most of us shoot for being under 150 with an average of 110-120, but few of us are anywhere near good enough to accomplish that goal. NOTICE: The e-mail address is deliberately incorrect. Make the ISP read "nwpacifica.net" by adding a "w."

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     According to current standards a fasting plasma blood glucose level in excesss of 125 mg/dl qualifies you as being diabetic.  While you don’t specify wheter the BG readings you report were taken with a meter that gives a whole blood or plasma BG reading, the 148 would be sufficiently high in either case and, if your meter gives a whole blood measurement,  most likely some of the other readings would be in excess of 125 mg/dl too if converted to a plasma-based measurement. IDDM, dx’d 6/72, MI (R, H & U)

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Mind you, diabetes is only diagnosed when the body is no longer able to compensate. The disorder is causing damage long before that. They find damage from diabetic retinopathy occurring a half-dozen years before diabetes can be diagnosed.

I haven’t found that to be true. Diabetic retinopathy is easy to identify, and when it’s found in a person not known to have diabetes, doctors usually suspect the diabetes has been there a while. -MT — Mike Tyner, OD                  Office (205)870-5068 519 Brookwood Village              Fax (205)870-5067

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- Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – These are my blood glucose readings and I am wondering if they make me technically diabetic.  I am an overweight 35 year old female with polycystic ovarian disease.  My doctor has had me keep track of my fasting blood sugar readings for the last two weeks since I had a urine test that showed sugar in my urine. 114 113 122 148 105 103 130 122 125 125 116 116 110 All of these were first thing in the morning with at least 10 hours since eating anything.  On most of these days, I’m ashamed to say, I didn’t do much if any excercise other than my normal daily activity of housecleaning, errands, etc.

Since these were presumably done with a home glucose meter, no definitive diagnosis can be made.  Home glucose meters are normally thought to be 15% devices and with that spread you could be in the.   normal range, have impared fasting glucose, or diabetes. The readings are high enough, however, to suggest followup testing with either a HbA1c and/or an oral glucose tolerance test.   — Charly Coughran

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– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text -These are my blood glucose readings and I am wondering if they make me technically diabetic.  I am an overweight 35 year old female with polycystic ovarian disease.  My doctor has had me keep track of my fasting blood sugar readings for the last two weeks since I had a urine test that showed sugar in my urine. 114 113 122 148 105 103 130 122 125 125 116 116 110 All of these were first thing in the morning

If those are whole blood readings rather than plasma readings (like the kind you get at a lab), there’s a chance you’re diabetic. Have your doctor order you a glycosillated hemoglobin (HBA1c) test for further information. That will show you your approximate average blood glucose reading for the last couple of months. — Stef  **  rational/scientific/philosophical/mystical/magical/kitty  ** Type II, dx Apr 98, lo carb & exercise

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 These are my blood glucose readings and I am wondering if they make me  technically diabetic.  I am an overweight 35 year old female with polycystic  ovarian disease.  My doctor has had me keep track of my fasting blood sugar  readings for the last two weeks since I had a urine test that showed sugar in  my urine.  114  113  122  148  105  103  130  122  125  125  116  116  110  All of these were first thing in the morning with at least 10 hours since  eating anything.  On most of these days, I’m ashamed to say, I didn’t do much  if any excercise other than my normal daily activity of housecleaning,  errands, etc. There’s one fairly high reading there, but generally speaking, you’re in the borderline high range. Stereotypes tell us that Type 2 diabetes most commonly appears in the 40s, and if you are fat and have poly, it’s a fairly reasonable conjecture that you are developing diabetes. Mind you, diabetes is only diagnosed when the body is no longer able to compensate. The disorder is causing damage long before that. They find damage from diabetic retinopathy occurring a half-dozen years before diabetes can be diagnosed. And don’t apologize about exercising. It is *not* necessary the activity to be mindless and useless in order for it to "count". Ditch diggers and hod carriers get the benefit of that heavy labor, even if they didn’t have to spend a fortune at the gym. Deke —- Nice Guys. Not Married. And they like women with curves. Sound like you? Join us at GenerousCity. Search the profiles. Talk on our Discussion list, or join us for live chat. And you *never* pay anything.   http://generous.net

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These are my blood glucose readings and I am wondering if they make me technically diabetic.  I am an overweight 35 year old female with polycystic ovarian disease.  My doctor has had me keep track of my fasting blood sugar readings for the last two weeks since I had a urine test that showed sugar in my urine. 114 113 122 148 105 103 130 122 125 125 116 116 110 All of these were first thing in the morning with at least 10 hours since eating anything.  On most of these days, I’m ashamed to say, I didn’t do much if any excercise other than my normal daily activity of housecleaning, errands, etc. Thanks for your advice, Holly

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- Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – These are my blood glucose readings and I am wondering if they make me technically diabetic.  I am an overweight 35 year old female with polycystic ovarian disease.  My doctor has had me keep track of my fasting blood sugar readings for the last two weeks since I had a urine test that showed sugar in my urine. 114 113 122 148 105 103 130 122 125 125 116 116 110 All of these were first thing in the morning with at least 10 hours since eating anything.  On most of these days, I’m ashamed to say, I didn’t do much if any excercise other than my normal daily activity of housecleaning, errands, etc. Thanks for your advice, Holly

Holly, Your readings are excellent but you need to check your bg’s about 2 hours after you have had each of your meals. This would be more of an accurate test as to whether you are prone to diabetes or not. Good luck. — * Tom M                     Derry, NH * * http://www.angelfire.com/biz/sostpm *

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