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The pill

admin — Mon, 24 Feb 2003 00:00:00 +0000

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I was on the pill and did Atkins and my weight loss was very slow. Now that I have just gone off the pill I am eager to find out if my weightloss speeds up any. Time will tell as I just began my TOM this morning. I expect a whoosh this week. :-) Miss Jaime (Hamilton, Ontario, CANADA) http://community.webshots.com/user/miss_jaime (374/320/???) Cavemen,and that includes you,are well adapted to a diet of meat, fish, fowl, nuts, seeds, vegetables and fruits.

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| I just finished reading Atkin’s book and he says that women should not | be on the pill if they want to succeed at the diet…but one of the | main reasons I’ve decided to start low-carbing is due to | pcos(polycystic ovarian syndrome)for which I have to be on the | pill…I’m sure I’m not the only woman on the pill who doing | Atkins…so my question is does it really matter?? | hi, i am on the low oestrogen kind, and i wouldn’t say it’s slowed me down (over 50# in five+ months and not going up…). i don’t know if different levels of hormones have different effects on weight loss (you’d think they might). but everyone’s unique… why not try it and see what you think? charl

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I am not on the pill, but there are several different pills available and they tend to have different side effects, I would go ahead and stay on the one you’re on and see how things go for a month or so then , if you then think the pill is slowing your loss, ask your doctor about switching to a different one. Tricia** 22.5 lbs lost since Dec. 2, 20002 1/2 lb to go for the Feb 5 lb challenge!

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I havent had any major problems with Atkins and hormones. I am on Implanon, not the pill, but the hormones are the same. My only problem is that I "bleed" for 3 weeks out of 4, so I am constantly dealing with the hormonal "gain" of weight that accompanies it, so only have about a week window to get accurate measurements every month …heh. Seriously though – it *might* cause gain, but IMO you could get a lot bigger if you dont have them! lol!

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I’m on atkins and I dont want to have a baby so if I’m losing slower because of it I dont care because 9 months is a long time to not have any weight loss at all and maybe even a gain ) oh oh and I dont lose when its that time of the month and with out the pill I would have it 2 to 3 weeks out of a month. I have to say chances are I would lose slower that way. Angie

: I just finished reading Atkin’s book and he says that women should not : be on the pill if they want to succeed at the diet…but one of the : main reasons I’ve decided to start low-carbing is due to : pcos(polycystic ovarian syndrome)for which I have to be on the : pill…I’m sure I’m not the only woman on the pill who doing : Atkins…so my question is does it really matter?? : : Thanks : : Monica : :

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Thanks for all the input! Going off the pillis out of the question for me right now. I’m glad to hear it’s not impossible to loose while still on it…and I AM loosing(yippie!) Thanks again! Monica

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I just finished reading Atkin’s book and he says that women should not be on the pill if they want to succeed at the diet…but one of the main reasons I’ve decided to start low-carbing is due to pcos(polycystic ovarian syndrome)for which I have to be on the pill…I’m sure I’m not the only woman on the pill who doing Atkins…so my question is does it really matter?? I am not on the pill, but there are several different pills available and they tend to have different side effects, I would go ahead and stay on the one you’re on and see how things go for a month or so then , if you then think the pill is slowing your loss, ask your doctor about switching to a different one.

Unfortunately I think there’s only one type of pill (diane-35) that is helpful for women with PCOS. The comment on the pill must be in a later edition of the book we’ve got at home, I don’t remember reading it – but I’m in the same boat, not about to stop taking the pill because of pcos, so have to take my chances with it affecting weight loss. cheers Rachel (New Zealand)

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Unfortunately I think there’s only one type of pill (diane-35) that is helpful for women with PCOS.

Not that I’m aware of. There are lots of effective bc pills for dealing with PCOS, not just diane-35. I take Demulen and it seems to do the job. Erika RollerGirl

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Setpoint theory and LC

admin — Mon, 18 Nov 2002 00:00:00 +0000

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I must eat fat….and when I cut back on fat, I get hungry and I’ll eat too much. I rarely do a "me, too" post but I thought this was important enough to add my two cent me, too.

Thanks, I really appreciate that validation. It seems so counter-intuitive to me to eat more fat to combat hunger, because this means that the total volume of food I eat will be less if I still keep my calorie count down. But that has been exactly what works for me. Since you have been so successful maintaining your weight, and the higher fat consumption has helped you, too, it really helps reassure me that I’m on the right track. Reb

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– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text -I’ve recently come to realize that eating a piece of lean meat with vegetables for dinner is the death blow for me. A few hours later I’ll be really hungry. Not just munchy; HUNGRY. Real, pit in the stomach hunger. So I’m sitting there at 9 or 10 at night feeling like I need to eat another meal. Last night I had chicken salad for dinner. HUGE amount of fat. Nearly 50g. But I felt great. I was satisfied all evening. I didn’t go to bed hungry. You mentioned in another post that eggs don’t have enough protein to satisfy hunger, but I would have to disagree with that. On days when I have eggs for breakfast, I feel the most satisfied. I can easily make it well into the afternoon before I feel hungry again. Something else I find really satisfying is cream cheese. A couple ounces of that will keep me going for hours. There isn’t much protein in that, but there’s a whole lot of fat. In thinking about it, I realize that the common denominator in the foods which keep me from quickly getting hungry again is fat, and lots of it. In the last several days I’ve been eating a higher percentage of my calories from fat, and paradoxically, I’ve found it MUCH easier to keep my daily calorie count down, yet not be hungry.

Your whole post was great but I’ve just quoted the above because this has been of prime importance to me back when I was losing weight and in the last ten years of maintenance. I must eat fat….and when I cut back on fat, I get hungry and I’ll eat too much. I rarely do a "me, too" post but I thought this was important enough to add my two cent me, too. Kitty.

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So my question is, I guess, are you actually _making_ a lot of similar foods like this? You could _easily_ use artificial sweeteners to overload a fatty icecream (from cream or coconut milk), and that would not only numb your sweet receptors on your tongue, but it would also make you eat that icecream a long time after it was sensible to stop. Now, ice cream was just an example, but it is easy to imagine a bunch of other foods that could approximate the same situation: e.g. mixed vegetables in full cream with cheese toppings (lots of saturated fat from the cream and cheese, and salt from the cheese — which would taste delicious, but it wouldn’t really be the wisest choice wrt. controlling appetive, nor is the loads of saturated dairy fats preferable.).

Actually, no, I don’t eat stuff like that. But I probably should. I know you feel that lean meats are the key to satisfying hunger, but that absolutely doesn’t cut it with me. I’ve tried it. More vegetables and more fiber don’t do anything for me, either. A higher fat consumption is the only thing which helps. A meal of lean protein with vegetables is quickly digested and hunger pains return. But a meal with more fat (say, around 30g or more) will stick around much longer. That is my experience, anyway. I’ve recently come to realize that eating a piece of lean meat with vegetables for dinner is the death blow for me. A few hours later I’ll be really hungry. Not just munchy; HUNGRY. Real, pit in the stomach hunger. So I’m sitting there at 9 or 10 at night feeling like I need to eat another meal. Last night I had chicken salad for dinner. HUGE amount of fat. Nearly 50g. But I felt great. I was satisfied all evening. I didn’t go to bed hungry. You mentioned in another post that eggs don’t have enough protein to satisfy hunger, but I would have to disagree with that. On days when I have eggs for breakfast, I feel the most satisfied. I can easily make it well into the afternoon before I feel hungry again. Something else I find really satisfying is cream cheese. A couple ounces of that will keep me going for hours. There isn’t much protein in that, but there’s a whole lot of fat. In thinking about it, I realize that the common denominator in the foods which keep me from quickly getting hungry again is fat, and lots of it. In the last several days I’ve been eating a higher percentage of my calories from fat, and paradoxically, I’ve found it MUCH easier to keep my daily calorie count down, yet not be hungry. Reb 226/213/120

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I think that you have two separate issues being addressed. One is LBM loss with age and in yo-yo dieting. The problem seems to be that there is no proven way to revise your setpoint downwards. In fact, in most people it seems to drift depressingly upwards with age. There is also some evidence that yo-yo dieting can push it upwards as well.

As most people age (past 30 years old) they lose LBM and therefore drop their metabolism — if they don’t do some form of exercise to get or keep LBM Often times yo-yo dieting will do the same. Lose LBM, lower metabolism, gain BF back after you stop dieting. But I do believe that there could be hormonal reasons for your body to try and maintain a particular weight, or have problems maintaining a lower weight. — Rudy – Remove the Z from my address to respond. "It is better to die on your feet than to live on your knees!" -Emiliano Zapata Check out the a.s.d.l-c FAQ at: http://www.grossweb.com/asdlc/faq.htm

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[...] I personally don’t feel starved or in a situation eating "very little". Actually, the first three weeks on the NeanderThin diet I pretty much pigged out on bacon, eggs, nuts, bacon, apples, and did I mention bacon. I lost 3 pounds or so. Nothing spectacular, but I weren’t aiming for that either. I was just easing my way into the diet, and trying to maximize pleasure along the way. I would posit that the reason you lost after cutting the bacon, nuts etc was the huge reduction in sodium and therefore you lost quite a bit of water at once.

I just got a fat percentage reading again (the former reading was 4-5 weeks back). It said that I had definetely lost 5 kg. (about 10 pounds if a pound is 500 grams) of pure fat. The machine is insanely expensive my Gym told me, and it should be very reliable. I lost a total of 7 kilos, so the rest is probably water and some lean tissue. That isn’t to say that those things are definitely better consumed in moderation.

I should probably switch to uncured, unsalted bacon meat. It’s not the best of foods, granted. But it sure does taste good –V

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Most people experience a loss of hunger when low-carbing, but this hasn’t happened for me. If I eat at a level where I can lose weight, I frequently experience hunger. If I eat every time I’m hungry, I don’t lose (or start gaining). This is one reason I decided to take a thermogenic stack. It does seem to help with hunger.

In his book "The Paleo Diet" Loren Cordain speaks of the insidious nature of modern foods, and why we tend to overeat them. Let me quote it: "Most of the foods we crave–and that make us fat if we eat enough of them–contain some combination of sugar, starch, fat and salt in highly concentrated form. (If you think about it, sugar, starch, fat, and salt are pretty much the recipe for ALL the foods people tend to overeast.) In nature, a sweet taste is almost aways associated with fruit. This is what drew our acenstors to strawberries, for instalnce–the desire for a "sweet." However, as a bonus, they got much more than the sweet taste–fiber, vitamins, minerals, phytochemical, and other healthful substances that improved their chances of survical. Similarly, our Paleolithic ancestors sought foods with a salty taste. Salt is absolutely essential for your health–but you don’t need much of it. The trace amounts of salt found in fresh fruits, vegetables and leans meats were just right for our ancient ancestors–who also got at hefty dose of potassium along with the sodium. Today, almost all processed foods are grossly overloaded with salt." He then provides a long list of "Fake Foods", ie. unnaturally engineered modern foods: "…If you take this same mixture [bread], deep-fry it in hydrogenated fats, an then glaze it with sugar, it becomes tastier still–a glazeddoughnut. [...] In Paleolithic times, starchy foods weren’t ALSO SALTY; new we have potato chips and corn chips. Sweet foods were never ALSO FAT. Now we have ice cream and chocolates. Fatty foods were almost never ALSO STARCHY. Now we have doughnuts that are not only fatty and starchy, but sugary as well." So my question is, I guess, are you actually _making_ a lot of similar foods like this? You could _easily_ use artificial sweeteners to overload a fatty icecream (from cream or coconut milk), and that would not only numb your sweet receptors on your tongue, but it would also make you eat that icecream a long time after it was sensible to stop. Now, ice cream was just an example, but it is easy to imagine a bunch of other foods that could approximate the same situation: e.g. mixed vegetables in full cream with cheese toppings (lots of saturated fat from the cream and cheese, and salt from the cheese — which would taste delicious, but it wouldn’t really be the wisest choice wrt. controlling appetive, nor is the loads of saturated dairy fats preferable.). (Again I’ll point out just for the record that I’m a NeanderThin/Paleo Diet oriented person, and that means I eat meat, mostly "good" fats, vegetables and fruit — and pretty much never counts calories. There’s no dairy, cheese, soy, legumes or anything like that on my list.) –Vad

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What is a thermogenic snack??????? I need all the help I can get ) LOL…I had to go back and read my post. I thought maybe I’d actually said "thermogenic snack" (sounds tasty, doesn’t it?).

Actually, I do have "thermogenic snacks" (I have found that bars don’t affect me negatively unless I eat obscene amounts of them… and then my digestive system screams before the weight loss is affected). So I sometimes have "thermogenic" bars. "Thermogenic snack." Cute, no? I’ll store that term in my vocabulary. ~M’isa

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Yes, other than the fact that the URL had a non-english language setting I figured it out – thanks! -josh – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – Hi Josh, there has been an interesting discussion on this at Misc.Fitness.Weights – distinguishing between setpoint and settling point. Its somewhere in the middle of the following thread: http://groups.google.com/groups?hl=iw&lr=&ie=UTF-8&inlang=iw&newwindo… hope the URL works, Elli

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Hi Josh, there has been an interesting discussion on this at Misc.Fitness.Weights – distinguishing between setpoint and settling point. Its somewhere in the middle of the following thread: http://groups.google.com/groups?hl=iw&lr=&ie=UTF-8&inlang=iw&newwindo… hope the URL works, Elli

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What is a thermogenic snack??????? I need all the help I can get )

LOL…I had to go back and read my post. I thought maybe I’d actually said "thermogenic snack" (sounds tasty, doesn’t it?). Now I’m not sure if you were seriously asking about the STACK or just joking around! But in case you or anybody else is wondering, here’s a website which discusses it at length. http://drumlib.com/dp/000006.htm Basically, a stack is a combination of caffeine and ephedrine (and sometimes aspirin) which is supposed to make you lose weight more efficiently. It’s also supposed to help preserve lean body mass. Reb

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After spending some time with Myra and listening to her struggle, she got on glucophage (Metformin) and started going down again after quite a long stall, so I too thought maybe I’ll try it again. I’ve been on it now for about 2+ weeks and things are shifting again thank goodness.

I’m so pleased it’s working for you! Myra

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because of the insulin resistance and PCOS was not letting my muscles use much glycogen and I was getting extremely fatigued and therefore eating way too many calories as I was just craving large amounts of fat if you can believe that.

Yes, that does make sense to me. Before I started taking glucophage, excercising made me ravenous. Well, extra-ravenous actually, because I was just "regular ravenous" all the time. Since I’ve been on Glucophage my exercise time is more productive, I don’t get the shakes and I can go longer and feel great afterwards

Yeah, that makes sense, too. Pre-glugophage, I used to get low blood sugar very often when I tried to exercise. Boy, was that ever a miserable and scary feeling. But after I started taking glucophage, I never had a low blood sugar episode again. Unfortunately, since I’m not taking glucophage now, on the few occasions when I’ve really exercised intensely, I have gotten the shakes. I’ll need to experiment a little, though. I think I tend to start in exercising when it’s been too long since my last meal. Does your stack include ephedra or that other non-stimulating ephedra?

Yeah, it has ephedra and caffeine. Lots of it! I’ve never been a coffee drinker, so when I first started, I was bouncing off the walls, but now it doesn’t bother me at all. Reb

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Thanks for the offer, but alas I don’t have Excel anymore. I can’t even use Dean’s awesome spreadsheet that he was kind enough to send me. Thanks though. — Mdmquincy (Jennifer)

– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – I’ve experienced ’set points’ too, ie I stuck for an exceptionally long time at a weight that I’d stayed for some time when I wasn’t dieting (in my case at 11 stone and 10 1/2 stone). The only way to prove or disprove the theory would be for several members of this group to faithfully and accurately submit weekly weight figures over a year. They would have to be sure not to cheat so as to invalidate the figures. They would have to be able to remember what weights they had stayed at for periods in their life when they weren’t dieting. A line graph in Excel, if the set point theory is correct, would show a pattern of dips and rises with a gradual downward trend but a level plateau at these setpoint weights. (BTW, a line graph very rarely shows a steadily sloping line. A frequent pattern is down, down, down, level bit, *rise up*, bigger slope down. Only a Trend Line (Excel users note) will show that the trend is downwards, even if individual measurements may rise at times. There are a few free charts you can use. If you have Excel 97 or plus, I have one on my website which you are welcome to. — http://homepage.ntlworld.com/evwool/ Evi

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I have never maintained a set weight. When I ate what I thought was a healthful diet (ie, low fat) in quantities that felt right, I gained almost 10 pounds per year, every year. If the setpoint theory is true then my setpoint must be higher than my highest weight achieved – 260 pounds. But why would a body have such an unhealthful setpoint? How does that decision get made? Now that I eat low carb in quantities that feel right, I’m losing weight effortlessly – about 60 pounds my first year. I’m eating "normally" and still losing. Sometimes it’s what you eat rather than how much.

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I would posit that the reason you lost after cutting the bacon, nuts etc was the huge reduction in sodium and therefore you lost quite a bit of water at once. That isn’t to say that those things are definitely better consumed in moderation. Nice to see someone else though that does notice, and will comment on the benefit of eating more real food rather than prepared foods. The others on the list that post regularly who follow in the same vein seem have the best results. This is of course, only my opinion, but I’m sticking to it. If you have the will and the way, go with real food as much as possible. The neanderthals didn’t eat apples though. Neither did North Americans until mid 1600’s. So I wonder where Eve got hers? – Violet (who always believed chocolate was a better reason to get thrown out of any garden) – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – –Vad

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What is a thermogenic snack??????? I need all the help I can get ) —

– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – Anecdotally, I would agree with the theory of setpoint. Mine seems to be an astonishing 226. If I eat comfortably, making no attempt to limit calories, but not eating excessively, either, my weight seems to settle there. For the past 15 years or so, every time I lost weight, when I regained it stopped there. And if I did gain any weight beyond that, it was only for a short time, and quickly returned to 226. As a teenager, my setpoint seemed to be around 175. I dieted and lost a considerable amount of weight a few times, but I always returned to around 175. However, at some point, for some reason I went beyond that. I read once that a severe episode of stress can trigger the onset of PCOS (polycystic ovarian syndrome…one symptom of insulin resistance). Thinking back on it, my PCOS symptoms became apparent very suddenly in my early twenties right before I jumped from 175 to 226. And it was indeed a stressful time in my life just prior to that. I often see quoted in this group to eat 8 to 10 times your body weight in calories; however, I have found that the meager weight I have lost thus far quickly starts coming back if I don’t keep my calories *below* a factor of 8. This would seem to support the idea that I am having to keep my caloric intake exceptionally low to break away from my setpoint. The last time I lost a significant amount of weight, down to about 170, I gained weight if I ate more than about 1,100 to 1,200 calories per day (a factor of 6.5-7 times my body weight). When I was in high school I lost down to 129 pounds. To do that, I had to consume less than 1,000 calories a day. Many days I ate only a few hundred calories. It would be tempting to think I caused my body to enter a "starvation mode," by eating so little, but normal eating simply did not produce weight loss. Right now I am very much struggling to keep in a downwards direction. I do fully expect that if I manage to achieve a significant weight loss, I will have to keep to an unusually low calorie count…or do an extraordinary amount of exercise. Most people experience a loss of hunger when low-carbing, but this hasn’t happened for me. If I eat at a level where I can lose weight, I frequently experience hunger. If I eat every time I’m hungry, I don’t lose (or start gaining). This is one reason I decided to take a thermogenic stack. It does seem to help with hunger. Reb 226/215/120 9-11-02

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I’ve experienced ’set points’ too, ie I stuck for an exceptionally long time at a weight that I’d stayed for some time when I wasn’t dieting (in my case at 11 stone and 10 1/2 stone). The only way to prove or disprove the theory would be for several members of this group to faithfully and accurately submit weekly weight figures over a year. They would have to be sure not to cheat so as to invalidate the figures. They would have to be able to remember what weights they had stayed at for periods in their life when they weren’t dieting. A line graph in Excel, if the set point theory is correct, would show a pattern of dips and rises with a gradual downward trend but a level plateau at these setpoint weights. (BTW, a line graph very rarely shows a steadily sloping line. A frequent pattern is down, down, down, level bit, *rise up*, bigger slope down. Only a Trend Line (Excel users note) will show that the trend is downwards, even if individual measurements may rise at times. There are a few free charts you can use. If you have Excel 97 or plus, I have one on my website which you are welcome to. — http://homepage.ntlworld.com/evwool/ Evi

– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – I believe our setpoint is the closest weight that we have maintained for an appreciable amount of time. For example, I’m at 198, the closest weight down that I have maintained during the last 10 years is 190, the closest weight up is 208. If I stay lc and continue to lose, my next serious weight battle (possible plateau) will be at 190. If I completely fall off the wagon, I will likely skulk around 208 on the way back up. I remember these numbers down to 170 lbs., I know when I’m likely to plateau and can take counteractive measures. I Sorry to answer such an involved post with my own simply written opinion. but, HTH, — Mdmquincy (Jennifer) Ok, this is a relatively involved question. I have been reading a lot lately about setpoint theory and how it relates to weightloss. The basic idea is that we all have a certain weight ’setpoint’ that our body vigorously defends. Eat to much of the short term and you will gain, but you will quickly return to your setpoint weight once your eating returns to normal. Eat too little, and you will lose, but once your start eating normally again you return to the setpoint weight. This sort of behavior has been confirmed in animal and human studies. The problem seems to be that there is no proven way to revise your setpoint downwards. In fact, in most people it seems to drift depressingly upwards with age. There is also some evidence that yo-yo dieting can push it upwards as well. The studies that follow long term ‘losers’ (people who lose weight and keep it off) almost universally come to the conclusion that these people are forced to eat a calorie restricted diet continuously if they want to keep the weight off (one study I saw found an avg of 1200 cals/day for females, 1700 cals/day for men). This supports setpoint theory. These people, after losing weight are below their setpoint weight, and their body is basically in semi-starvation mode – vigorously attempting to get back to the setpoint by being stingy with fat burning metabolism and by slowing down overall metabolism – the only defense a person has is to eat less. So, it seems, that based on setpoint theory (and the studies of long term losers), the only means of long-term weightloss is continual calorie restriction. If you return to your previous caloric intake, you will return to your previous setpoint (or a new, higher, setpoint). Now, my question is – how do Atkins and other LC programs fit into setpoint theory? Is LC just an easier way to restrict calories long term? Or do people think LC’ing changes the metabolic equation enough so that your setpoint is different (BTW, there is no support of this in the research that has looked into diets with various proportions of fat/protein/carb – up to 70% fat). My feeling is that LC is simply a means of putting yourself in this mode of semi-starvation (with respect to calories) without hunger pangs and many of the other side-effects of a calorie restricted diet. This has certainly been my experience, as I can eat 1700-2000 calories a day with very little hunger, and plenty of energy. But it seems I will have to continue to eat at this level to maintain a lower weight long-term. I guess as long as I am getting proper nutrition I don’t have a problem with this, but it seems odd to have to eat so little, effectively for the rest of your life. What are other’s thoughts on this? -josh

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started to exercise quite a bit to break a stall and just seemed to prolong the stall. Hey! I just KNEW there had to be a good reason to not exercise!

LOL!! I think what was going on was that my body, because of the insulin resistance and PCOS was not letting my muscles use much glycogen and I was getting extremely fatigued and therefore eating way too many calories as I was just craving large amounts of fat if you can believe that. Keep exercising!! Since I’ve been on Glucophage my exercise time is more productive, I don’t get the shakes and I can go longer and feel great afterwards like I used to in my 20’s when I was a competitve cyclist. I was taking glucophage for the past three years, but I quit taking it shortly after I started low-carbing. Unfortunately I don’t have insurance right now, so I can’t get any lab work done to see if my insulin level has gone back up. I have about a month’s supply of glucophage still, but I wanted to save it in case I stopped low-carbing (which seems less and less likely now) If I end up going back on glucophage (if my insulin has gone up), I sure do dread the breaking-in phase. I had gotten completely used to it, but I remember when I first started, for weeks I had to fight terrible nausea.

After about 3 months on LC my insulin levels went down to normal so I was the one that rejected the Glucophage as I didn’t think I needed it, then the stall, fatigue and muscle weakness hit. I’ve not experienced the nausea only the before mentioned other digestive ailments though I do take it with lots of fluid and eat very soon after taking it. How much are you on? I was taking 2500mg/day.

Right now, twice a day, 500 mg each (1000 total a day), of XR, brand as the generic regular is what I took last time but my Doc said, no, take brand. I wish all the luck and I hope the stack works for you. Thanks! So far I don’t think the stack has helped much with speeding weight loss (though, to be fair, I’ve never taken the full stack dose, only about half to two-thirds so far), but it does help a lot with appetite, it gives me an amazing amount of energy, greatly improves my disposition, and paradoxically enough, it makes me sleep better. I thought at first this might actually be due just to low-carbing. But when I ran out of my stack for a few days, I could definitely tell the difference. Reb

Does your stack include ephedra or that other non-stimulating ephedra? Because of having my adrenals all cooked up in my PCOS (one is considerably larger than the other) I can’t tolerate caffeine from coffee or ephedra type products at all. Makes me very ill. I was interested in the stack too. After seeing Myra’s success on the Glucphoage after a 2 year stall and my own, even with normal insulin levels, I’d say perahps give it a try again. I can make it through the day now w/o getting a food coma after lunch like I used to pre-LC. -Marcella 300/230ish/140

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I believe our setpoint is the closest weight that we have maintained for an appreciable amount of time. For example, I’m at 198, the closest weight down that I have maintained during the last 10 years is 190, the closest weight up is 208. If I stay lc and continue to lose, my next serious weight battle (possible plateau) will be at 190. If I completely fall off the wagon, I will likely skulk around 208 on the way back up. I remember these numbers down to 170 lbs., I know when I’m likely to plateau and can take counteractive measures. I Sorry to answer such an involved post with my own simply written opinion. but, HTH, — Mdmquincy (Jennifer)

– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – Ok, this is a relatively involved question. I have been reading a lot lately about setpoint theory and how it relates to weightloss. The basic idea is that we all have a certain weight ’setpoint’ that our body vigorously defends. Eat to much of the short term and you will gain, but you will quickly return to your setpoint weight once your eating returns to normal. Eat too little, and you will lose, but once your start eating normally again you return to the setpoint weight. This sort of behavior has been confirmed in animal and human studies. The problem seems to be that there is no proven way to revise your setpoint downwards. In fact, in most people it seems to drift depressingly upwards with age. There is also some evidence that yo-yo dieting can push it upwards as well. The studies that follow long term ‘losers’ (people who lose weight and keep it off) almost universally come to the conclusion that these people are forced to eat a calorie restricted diet continuously if they want to keep the weight off (one study I saw found an avg of 1200 cals/day for females, 1700 cals/day for men). This supports setpoint theory. These people, after losing weight are below their setpoint weight, and their body is basically in semi-starvation mode – vigorously attempting to get back to the setpoint by being stingy with fat burning metabolism and by slowing down overall metabolism – the only defense a person has is to eat less. So, it seems, that based on setpoint theory (and the studies of long term losers), the only means of long-term weightloss is continual calorie restriction. If you return to your previous caloric intake, you will return to your previous setpoint (or a new, higher, setpoint). Now, my question is – how do Atkins and other LC programs fit into setpoint theory? Is LC just an easier way to restrict calories long term? Or do people think LC’ing changes the metabolic equation enough so that your setpoint is different (BTW, there is no support of this in the research that has looked into diets with various proportions of fat/protein/carb – up to 70% fat). My feeling is that LC is simply a means of putting yourself in this mode of semi-starvation (with respect to calories) without hunger pangs and many of the other side-effects of a calorie restricted diet. This has certainly been my experience, as I can eat 1700-2000 calories a day with very little hunger, and plenty of energy. But it seems I will have to continue to eat at this level to maintain a lower weight long-term. I guess as long as I am getting proper nutrition I don’t have a problem with this, but it seems odd to have to eat so little, effectively for the rest of your life. What are other’s thoughts on this? -josh

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started to exercise quite a bit to break a stall and just seemed to prolong the stall.

Hey! I just KNEW there had to be a good reason to not exercise! Are you currently taking the PCOS cocktail and/or glucophage?

I was taking glucophage for the past three years, but I quit taking it shortly after I started low-carbing. Unfortunately I don’t have insurance right now, so I can’t get any lab work done to see if my insulin level has gone back up. I have about a month’s supply of glucophage still, but I wanted to save it in case I stopped low-carbing (which seems less and less likely now) If I end up going back on glucophage (if my insulin has gone up), I sure do dread the breaking-in phase. I had gotten completely used to it, but I remember when I first started, for weeks I had to fight terrible nausea. How much are you on? I was taking 2500mg/day. I wish all the luck and I hope the stack works for you.

Thanks! So far I don’t think the stack has helped much with speeding weight loss (though, to be fair, I’ve never taken the full stack dose, only about half to two-thirds so far), but it does help a lot with appetite, it gives me an amazing amount of energy, greatly improves my disposition, and paradoxically enough, it makes me sleep better. I thought at first this might actually be due just to low-carbing. But when I ran out of my stack for a few days, I could definitely tell the difference. Reb

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- Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – Right now I am very much struggling to keep in a downwards direction. I do fully expect that if I manage to achieve a significant weight loss, I will have to keep to an unusually low calorie count…or do an extraordinary amount of exercise. Most people experience a loss of hunger when low-carbing, but this hasn’t happened for me. If I eat at a level where I can lose weight, I frequently experience hunger. If I eat every time I’m hungry, I don’t lose (or start gaining). This is one reason I decided to take a thermogenic stack. It does seem to help with hunger. Reb 226/215/120 9-11-02

Reb, I too have PCOS and I have been LC’ing since February with a 70+ lb weight loss which is a lot for me, but I had topped about 300 lbs. At the beginning I experience some of the decreased hunger but then I started to exercise quite a bit to break a stall and just seemed to prolong the stall. I’ve been at this stall now about 3 months, still exercising and still LC’ing. I had been on glucophage before but did not tolerate it well at all; besides the trotts, I had horrendous digestive discomfort. After spending some time with Myra and listening to her struggle, she got on glucophage (Metformin) and started going down again after quite a long stall, so I too thought maybe I’ll try it again. I’ve been on it now for about 2+ weeks and things are shifting again thank goodness. I’m not getting the hunger anymore, I have a lot more energy and I can work out more and I’m not getting the almost debilitating fatigue. I have been upping my L-Glutamine some days though I go through some chocolate cravings about twice a month. I’m not getting the trotts this time, but some minimal gastric cramping about an hour after I take the Glucophage which for me is tolerable. I never thought I be able to have hope to lose this weight that has been such a burden, but it’s very slowly coming off. Are you currently taking the PCOS cocktail and/or glucophage? I wish all the luck and I hope the stack works for you. Marcella 300/230ish/140

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(Let me just state for the record that I’m mostly into the NeanderThin diet myself) The body will generally tend to maintain homeostasis, which is a kind of biological equilibrium – or balance point. If you begin just starving yourself the body will _lower_ its metabolism, kinda "defending" its equilibrium. Thus, if you starve yourself, forcing the body to economize with its resources, it will generally _put on_ weight when you pick up normal eating – having lowered metabolism you’ll actually ingest more calories than used and gain fairly quickly. After a while your metabolism will return to its old level and you’ll seem to have returned to your setpoint. A chaos mathematician would tell you that a system can rest in seeming equilibrium, fending off all attempts to leave its resting point at the bottom off the landscape where it is currently located. However, such a resting place can be upset. Give the ball a big enough push and it rolls out of the resting place. Or: if you change enough values in the equation completely new equilibria can emerge. The problem seems to be that there is no proven way to revise your setpoint downwards. In fact, in most people it seems to drift depressingly upwards with age. There is also some evidence that yo-yo dieting can push it upwards as well.

Maybe not a proven way as such, but I fear that what is being looked for is the wrong thing. Somehow people wants the "magical setpoint" to adjust to a lower setting – without anything else changing much. But people’s existing setpoint is for good or worse a function of exactly how they’ve lived their life. The drifting up with age: think of the insulin resistence theory. People develop it slowly but surely, much in the way that diabetes II have been called "old man’s diabetes". I’m not sure how proven this point is, but there are some interesting correlations between increasing insulin resistance and almost everything else we think of as "bad bad bad". Yo yo dieting probably makes small dents downwards on the curve, but in the long run doesn’t change the trend: because dieters tends to NOT change in the long run either. So the question is if it actually pushes it upwards? The studies that follow long term ‘losers’ (people who lose weight and keep it off) almost universally come to the conclusion that these people are forced to eat a calorie restricted diet continuously if they want to keep the weight off (one study I saw found an avg of 1200 cals/day for females, 1700 cals/day for men).

I somehow suspect that most long term weight losers are still "eating inside the box" of insulin raising carb diets. I think the argument of the lo-carbers is that without the enormous amount of insulin, you will normally NOT store your (fat) calories. Thinking in paleolithic terms, imagine how life was back then. During spring and summer only game animals and the earliest vegetables would be available. Maybe the last leeks having thawed out of the ground. During summer the hunting is good and almost everything is plentiful. Yet the hunter has not prepared for winter yet. But with the onset of autumn almost all fruits are now ripe and sugary and vegetables are at their starchiest. *whooosh* There’s the rush of insulin, and dietary fat can now be stored, giving a lunchbox for the harsher winter, where only a few veggies are available. Now, my question is – how do Atkins and other LC programs fit into setpoint theory? Is LC just an easier way to restrict calories long term? Or do people think LC’ing changes the metabolic equation enough so that your setpoint is different

A lot of people get into LC to solve a specific medical problem, e.g. overweight. Some starvation is necessary to start eating up the love handles. However, the "maintenance" eating is more balanced and doesn’t starve the person. The point at maintenance should _definitely_ not be about metabolising more of your body! The NeanderThin diet would certainly advocate that you eat plenty of meat, fat, vegetables and some fruit to cover your energy and nutritional needs. And the theory is that you have a much more natural appetite, so you won’t seriously overeat – and besides, all that fat will _not_ be stored with the same zeal as when you’re hi-carbing. This has certainly been my experience, as I can eat 1700-2000 calories a day with very little hunger, and plenty of energy. But it seems I will have to continue to eat at this level to maintain a lower weight long-term. I guess as long as I am getting proper nutrition I don’t have a problem with this, but it seems odd to have to eat so little, effectively for the rest of your life.

I personally don’t feel starved or in a situation eating "very little". Actually, the first three weeks on the NeanderThin diet I pretty much pigged out on bacon, eggs, nuts, bacon, apples, and did I mention bacon. I lost 3 pounds or so. Nothing spectacular, but I weren’t aiming for that either. I was just easing my way into the diet, and trying to maximize pleasure along the way. About ten days after all this fun I decided to cut most of the fruit out and stop munching too many nuts and too much bacon. I lost about 6-8 pounds in those ten day. Last week wasn’t amazing but with a new baby girl on our hands I’m not fine tuning much in my diet I lost only 1 pound in 5 days. I should probably add that I had been drinking lots of beers at two or three parties, as well as enjoying a couple of bottles of wine. Oh well … so I’m not a saint –Vad

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Anecdotally, I would agree with the theory of setpoint. Mine seems to be an astonishing 226. If I eat comfortably, making no attempt to limit calories, but not eating excessively, either, my weight seems to settle there. For the past 15 years or so, every time I lost weight, when I regained it stopped there. And if I did gain any weight beyond that, it was only for a short time, and quickly returned to 226. As a teenager, my setpoint seemed to be around 175. I dieted and lost a considerable amount of weight a few times, but I always returned to around 175. However, at some point, for some reason I went beyond that. I read once that a severe episode of stress can trigger the onset of PCOS (polycystic ovarian syndrome…one symptom of insulin resistance). Thinking back on it, my PCOS symptoms became apparent very suddenly in my early twenties right before I jumped from 175 to 226. And it was indeed a stressful time in my life just prior to that. I often see quoted in this group to eat 8 to 10 times your body weight in calories; however, I have found that the meager weight I have lost thus far quickly starts coming back if I don’t keep my calories *below* a factor of 8. This would seem to support the idea that I am having to keep my caloric intake exceptionally low to break away from my setpoint. The last time I lost a significant amount of weight, down to about 170, I gained weight if I ate more than about 1,100 to 1,200 calories per day (a factor of 6.5-7 times my body weight). When I was in high school I lost down to 129 pounds. To do that, I had to consume less than 1,000 calories a day. Many days I ate only a few hundred calories. It would be tempting to think I caused my body to enter a "starvation mode," by eating so little, but normal eating simply did not produce weight loss. Right now I am very much struggling to keep in a downwards direction. I do fully expect that if I manage to achieve a significant weight loss, I will have to keep to an unusually low calorie count…or do an extraordinary amount of exercise. Most people experience a loss of hunger when low-carbing, but this hasn’t happened for me. If I eat at a level where I can lose weight, I frequently experience hunger. If I eat every time I’m hungry, I don’t lose (or start gaining). This is one reason I decided to take a thermogenic stack. It does seem to help with hunger. Reb 226/215/120 9-11-02

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Ok, this is a relatively involved question. I have been reading a lot lately about setpoint theory and how it relates to weightloss. The basic idea is that we all have a certain weight ’setpoint’ that our body vigorously defends. Eat to much of the short term and you will gain, but you will quickly return to your setpoint weight once your eating returns to normal. Eat too little, and you will lose, but once your start eating normally again you return to the setpoint weight. This sort of behavior has been confirmed in animal and human studies. The problem seems to be that there is no proven way to revise your setpoint downwards. In fact, in most people it seems to drift depressingly upwards with age. There is also some evidence that yo-yo dieting can push it upwards as well. The studies that follow long term ‘losers’ (people who lose weight and keep it off) almost universally come to the conclusion that these people are forced to eat a calorie restricted diet continuously if they want to keep the weight off (one study I saw found an avg of 1200 cals/day for females, 1700 cals/day for men). This supports setpoint theory. These people, after losing weight are below their setpoint weight, and their body is basically in semi-starvation mode – vigorously attempting to get back to the setpoint by being stingy with fat burning metabolism and by slowing down overall metabolism – the only defense a person has is to eat less. So, it seems, that based on setpoint theory (and the studies of long term losers), the only means of long-term weightloss is continual calorie restriction. If you return to your previous caloric intake, you will return to your previous setpoint (or a new, higher, setpoint). Now, my question is – how do Atkins and other LC programs fit into setpoint theory? Is LC just an easier way to restrict calories long term? Or do people think LC’ing changes the metabolic equation enough so that your setpoint is different (BTW, there is no support of this in the research that has looked into diets with various proportions of fat/protein/carb – up to 70% fat). My feeling is that LC is simply a means of putting yourself in this mode of semi-starvation (with respect to calories) without hunger pangs and many of the other side-effects of a calorie restricted diet. This has certainly been my experience, as I can eat 1700-2000 calories a day with very little hunger, and plenty of energy. But it seems I will have to continue to eat at this level to maintain a lower weight long-term. I guess as long as I am getting proper nutrition I don’t have a problem with this, but it seems odd to have to eat so little, effectively for the rest of your life. What are other’s thoughts on this? -josh

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Spironolactone

admin — Mon, 29 Jul 2002 00:00:00 +0000

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Me again Does anyone know whether taking spironolactone (for some of the symptoms of polycystic ovarian syndrome) can hinder weight loss when low-carbing? Though I’m primarily going back to the L-C way of life to get my triglycerides down, it would be nice if I lost weight as well, and I’m trying to work out what might have been holding me back last time. cheers Rachel

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Sometimes. I’m supposed to be on it, but my doctor wanted me to wait for three months to see if birth control pills help (she’s an idiot – I’ve been on BC for years). It is a YMMV thing. ~M’isa

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Me again Does anyone know whether taking spironolactone (for some of the symptoms of polycystic ovarian syndrome) can hinder weight loss when low-carbing?

I lost 45 pounds in 10 months taking 100 mg of Spiro a day. Sometimes I took 150 mg. I regained the 45 pounds back when I dropped off low carb and went back to my old evil woe. Miss Jaime (Hamilton, Ontario CANADA) Ancient Chinese proverb say: A journey of 1000 miles begins with a single step. The majority of my meals are meats/fish/eggs/poultry, green leafy vegetables, oils, and water.

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Sometimes. I’m supposed to be on it, but my doctor wanted me to wait for three months to see if birth control pills help (she’s an idiot – I’ve been on BC for years).

I’m on both..bc pills AND spiro Miss Jaime (Hamilton, Ontario CANADA) Ancient Chinese proverb say: A journey of 1000 miles begins with a single step. The majority of my meals are meats/fish/eggs/poultry, green leafy vegetables, oils, and water.

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Atkins talks about it being a potential staller. Im 39 and ahem! 10mos (almost 40!) I took it off and on for years for abnormal hair growth from PCOS symptoms that started when I was 15. It is a very mild water pill and it did absolutely nothing for me. Electrolysis is the best bet. Laureen 414/342/200 http://community.webtv.net/larryandlaureen/LaureensLowCarb

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I take it and had no problems with it while in the weight loss phase of lc nor has it interfered with maintenance. – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – Me again Does anyone know whether taking spironolactone (for some of the symptoms of polycystic ovarian syndrome) can hinder weight loss when low-carbing? Though I’m primarily going back to the L-C way of life to get my triglycerides down, it would be nice if I lost weight as well, and I’m trying to work out what might have been holding me back last time. cheers Rachel

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Question for the women: Do BCPs hinder weight loss?

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That’s great, Kim, and very encouraging! Thanks! "kim" wrote – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text –

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On the other hand, I am getting off Depo-provera. I have gained 20 lbs from it. I cannot lose weight no matter ho wlittle or much I eat. One of Depo’s side effects is weight gain. Some bcp have a side effect of weight loss, but I am still to find out which! Jasyn

– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – I’d really appreciate some feedback from women who take birth control pills, but have still had success losing weight. I’ve heard over and over that BCPs can make losing weight much more difficult, but is it impossible? No, it’s not impossible. I have personally lost 22 pounds while on Depo-provera and currently the pill. I have been on BCP for going on 15 years now. While my weight was steadily creeping up for most of that time (+55 pounds), I admit it’s because I was eating too many calories. I do still have weight to be lost. I haven’t lost any weight recently, but that’s because I"m back to eating too many calories… Shawn, female

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No, it’s not impossible. I have personally lost 22 pounds while on Depo-provera and currently the pill. I have been on BCP for going on 15 years now. While my weight was steadily creeping up for most of that time (+55 pounds), I admit it’s because I was eating too many calories. I do still have weight to be lost. I haven’t lost any weight recently, but that’s because I"m back to eating too many calories… Shawn, female

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Hi Anna, I’d really appreciate some feedback from women who take birth control pills, but have still had success losing weight. I’ve heard over and over that BCPs can make losing weight much more difficult, but is it impossible? I’m 33 years old, about 80 lbs overweight, and have been on BCP since getting married 9 years ago. I must take them for medical reasons (beyond just birth control). I’ve made a new commitment to lose the weight — and I really want to be serious about getting my act together this time — but I don’t want to be fighting a losing battle. Any advice out there? It would help me so much! Thanks!

BCPs can make it more difficult to lose weight – estrogens are fat friendly hormones . It doesn’t necessarily mean impossible, nor does it necessarily apply to you. You might luck out. A good place to ask this question is on either alt.support.pco (lots of those ladies take BCPs for non BC reasons, namely Polycystic Ovarian Syndrome) and/or alt.support.diet.low-carb, because many *more* ladies with PCOS have found dietary success using a low carb approach (due to the insulin resistance component so often associated with the PCOS) and they also take BCPs for the disorder. I just found this NG a few days ago, and I’m very encouraged about what I’ve read so far. Such inspiration from you all!

It can be done, with varying methods. The trick lies in finding the eating plan that best fits you, both mentally and physically. Good luck! — Take care, Carmen A lady came up to me on the street, pointed at my suede jacket and said, "Don’t you know a cow was murdered for that jacket?" I said, "I didn’t know there were any witnesses. Now I’ll have to kill you too".

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I’d really appreciate some feedback from women who take birth control pills, but have still had success losing weight. I’ve heard over and over that BCPs can make losing weight much more difficult, but is it impossible? I’m 33 years old, about 80 lbs overweight, and have been on BCP since getting married 9 years ago. I must take them for medical reasons (beyond just birth control). I’ve made a new commitment to lose the weight — and I really want to be serious about getting my act together this time — but I don’t want to be fighting a losing battle. Any advice out there? It would help me so much! Thanks! I just found this NG a few days ago, and I’m very encouraged about what I’ve read so far. Such inspiration from you all! Anna

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Introduction (yes its late, lol)

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I agree with you Bug On Sat, 08 Jun 2002 19:13:59 GMT, "Amylee" wrote: – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text ->I am just getting to know her but it looks like everyone in here is great. >Amylee.

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Squeezes Bug On Sun, 9 Jun 2002 09:57:34 +1000, "’Tis-The-Demon" wrote: – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text ->Ditto my buddy ) >*hugs!* >Demon. >"Bug" wrote in message >news:eh94gucavalerl37a7qda0st37r103993c@4ax.com… >> Well I know Demon already. We met in another group. She is one of >> the most wonderful people I’ve ever known I’m proud to call her >> friend!!!! >> Bless your heart, Demon!!!! >> (((((((((((((HUGS)))))))))))))) >> Bug >> On Sat, 8 Jun 2002 15:52:23 +1000, "’Tis-The-Demon" >> wrote: >> >Hello, >> >I thought I had better introduce myself a little better. >> >I am 19 years old and live in Sydney Australia. I was diagnosed with PCOS >> >about 1 1/2 years ago. I thought nothing of it. Now I am being told I >have a >> >lot of other problems too, all related to PCOS. My family history of >health >> >is really bad. My mum is a type 2 diabetic and has to have insulin 3 >times a >> >day. She has Wolf Parkinson white (spelling?), high blood pressure, bad >> >fluid retention and just about everything else, including MPD/DID. >> >I have always been a big girl, but as of about 2 years ago, I just >started >> >to get really obese. I weigh more now than I have ever weighed, and also >> >more than anyone I know. I am finding it hard to deal with the diagnosis >> >too. >> >I also have atypical depression plus I have been diagnosed clinically >> >depressed a few times. >> >Well, that’s the best I can do right now, I don’t know what else to >write, >> >but I will answer most questions if you want to ask anything. >> >Thanks for reading if you did, >> >Demon.

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Cool!! You two can hang out!!! ;-) I wish I was there with you both!!! Bug On Sun, 09 Jun 2002 11:10:17 GMT, Marianna Hill – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text - wrote: >in the northern suburbs Any more detail and email me directly >’Tis-The-Demon wrote: >> can I ask where abouts in Sydney or is that too personal? >> Demon. >> "Marianna Hill" wrote in message >> news:3D032CE6.4070404@bigfoot.com… >>>I’m a lurker >>>.. in Sydney >>>’Tis-The-Demon wrote: >>>>Oh thanks! That’s really nice of you. >>>>I haven’t seen you post here before? Are you new to the group or just a >>>>quiet one ) >>>>Also, where about are you? >>>>Thanks again, >>>>Demon. >>>>"Marianna Hill" wrote in message >>>>news:3D030200.6050500@bigfoot.com… >>>>>Hi Demon, >>>>>Reading that you were in Sydney I thought I would mention the following >>>>>website in Australia that has some great Aussie mailing lists that you >>>>>may be interested in: >>>>>Polycystic Ovarian Syndrome Association of Australia (POSAA) >>>>>http://www.posaa.asn.au >>>>>cheers, >>>>>Mari >>>>>’Tis-The-Demon wrote: >>>>>>Hello, >>>>>>I thought I had better introduce myself a little better. >>>>>>I am 19 years old and live in Sydney Australia. I was diagnosed with >>>>PCOS >>>>>>about 1 1/2 years ago. I thought nothing of it. Now I am being told I >>>>have a >>>>>>lot of other problems too, all related to PCOS. My family history of >>>>health >>>>>>is really bad. My mum is a type 2 diabetic and has to have insulin 3 >>>>times a >>>>>>day. She has Wolf Parkinson white (spelling?), high blood pressure, bad >>>>>>fluid retention and just about everything else, including MPD/DID. >>>>>>I have always been a big girl, but as of about 2 years ago, I just >>>>started >>>>>>to get really obese. I weigh more now than I have ever weighed, and >> also >>>>>>more than anyone I know. I am finding it hard to deal with the >> diagnosis >>>>>>too. >>>>>>I also have atypical depression plus I have been diagnosed clinically >>>>>>depressed a few times. >>>>>>Well, that’s the best I can do right now, I don’t know what else to >>>>write, >>>>>>but I will answer most questions if you want to ask anything. >>>>>>Thanks for reading if you did, >>>>>>Demon. >>>>>>– >>>>>>Stress: The confusion created when one’s mind overrides the body’s >> basic >>>>>>desire to choke the living shit out of some asshole who desperately >>>>deserves >>>>>>it.

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news:eh94gucavalerl37a7qda0st37r103993c@4ax.com… > Well I know Demon already. We met in another group. She is one of > the most wonderful people I’ve ever known I’m proud to call her > friend!!!! > Bless your heart, Demon!!!! > (((((((((((((HUGS)))))))))))))) > Bug

I am just getting to know her but it looks like everyone in here is great. Amylee.

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news:adsl66$1t27r$1@ID-145984.news.dfncis.de… > > > WooHoo! I know an abbreviation that you dont! lol, sorry i could’t > resist > > > ) > > > Multiple Personality Disorder / Dissociative Identity Disorder > > Okay I know what the first one is. That is when you spelled it out. lol. > DID is the same thing, MPD doesn’t really exist anymore, DID is the proper > name for it now. I am not sure why they did that, probably just to confuse > people, lol.

Of course that would be a reason. Look at all of the labels for autism. – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text -> > > I think you should come over here and have a holiday, you can send > Shaker > > a > > > post card? lol! Do you have someone that could mind him? > > > Demon. > > I would get my daughter in law to check on Shaker. Now I just need to go > > down to Texas and get me a ticket. Oklahoma don’t have a lottery. We get > > directv so our fox and abc is out of New York. We always *play* the > lottery. > > My number is 7 and Paul’s is 5 no telling what Clyde will pick. Amylee. > We don’t get the lottery much, there are like 3-4 different types though. It > will take longer, but I am saving up to go and see Bug one day when I get > enough money, my mother and I will be hoping to stay over near her for a > little while, have a holiday, and then maybe to Vegas for a while. I think > it would be better to live in the USA, truth be known, I actually hate our > country.

I think you would probably like a visit but would get homesick. I am really bad about thinking the grass is greener on the other side. Clyde just told me that he is NOT going to move anymore. Amylee.

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> > DID is the same thing, MPD doesn’t really exist anymore, DID is the proper > > name for it now. I am not sure why they did that, probably just to confuse > > people, lol. > Of course that would be a reason. Look at all of the labels for autism.

I didn’t know there were a lot? – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text -> > > I would get my daughter in law to check on Shaker. Now I just need to go > > > down to Texas and get me a ticket. Oklahoma don’t have a lottery. We get > > > directv so our fox and abc is out of New York. We always *play* the > > lottery. > > > My number is 7 and Paul’s is 5 no telling what Clyde will pick. Amylee. > > We don’t get the lottery much, there are like 3-4 different types though. > It > > will take longer, but I am saving up to go and see Bug one day when I get > > enough money, my mother and I will be hoping to stay over near her for a > > little while, have a holiday, and then maybe to Vegas for a while. I think > > it would be better to live in the USA, truth be known, I actually hate our > > country. > I think you would probably like a visit but would get homesick. I am really > bad about thinking the grass is greener on the other side. Clyde just told > me that he is NOT going to move anymore. Amylee.

Awww ( I was going to suggest we all move to Antarctica! lol Demon.

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can I ask where abouts in Sydney or is that too personal? Demon. "Marianna Hill" wrote in message

news:3D032CE6.4070404@bigfoot.com… – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text -> I’m a lurker > .. in Sydney > ‘Tis-The-Demon wrote: > > Oh thanks! That’s really nice of you. > > I haven’t seen you post here before? Are you new to the group or just a > > quiet one ) > > Also, where about are you? > > Thanks again, > > Demon. > > "Marianna Hill" wrote in message > > news:3D030200.6050500@bigfoot.com… > >>Hi Demon, > >>Reading that you were in Sydney I thought I would mention the following > >>website in Australia that has some great Aussie mailing lists that you > >>may be interested in: > >>Polycystic Ovarian Syndrome Association of Australia (POSAA) > >>http://www.posaa.asn.au > >>cheers, > >>Mari > >>’Tis-The-Demon wrote: > >>>Hello, > >>>I thought I had better introduce myself a little better. > >>>I am 19 years old and live in Sydney Australia. I was diagnosed with > > PCOS > >>>about 1 1/2 years ago. I thought nothing of it. Now I am being told I > > have a > >>>lot of other problems too, all related to PCOS. My family history of > > health > >>>is really bad. My mum is a type 2 diabetic and has to have insulin 3 > > times a > >>>day. She has Wolf Parkinson white (spelling?), high blood pressure, bad > >>>fluid retention and just about everything else, including MPD/DID. > >>>I have always been a big girl, but as of about 2 years ago, I just > > started > >>>to get really obese. I weigh more now than I have ever weighed, and also > >>>more than anyone I know. I am finding it hard to deal with the diagnosis > >>>too. > >>>I also have atypical depression plus I have been diagnosed clinically > >>>depressed a few times. > >>>Well, that’s the best I can do right now, I don’t know what else to > > write, > >>>but I will answer most questions if you want to ask anything. > >>>Thanks for reading if you did, > >>>Demon. > >>>– > >>>Stress: The confusion created when one’s mind overrides the body’s basic > >>>desire to choke the living shit out of some asshole who desperately > > deserves > >>>it.

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in the northern suburbs Any more detail and email me directly – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text -’Tis-The-Demon wrote: > can I ask where abouts in Sydney or is that too personal? > Demon. > "Marianna Hill" wrote in message > news:3D032CE6.4070404@bigfoot.com… >>I’m a lurker >>.. in Sydney >>’Tis-The-Demon wrote: >>>Oh thanks! That’s really nice of you. >>>I haven’t seen you post here before? Are you new to the group or just a >>>quiet one ) >>>Also, where about are you? >>>Thanks again, >>>Demon. >>>"Marianna Hill" wrote in message >>>news:3D030200.6050500@bigfoot.com… >>>>Hi Demon, >>>>Reading that you were in Sydney I thought I would mention the following >>>>website in Australia that has some great Aussie mailing lists that you >>>>may be interested in: >>>>Polycystic Ovarian Syndrome Association of Australia (POSAA) >>>>http://www.posaa.asn.au >>>>cheers, >>>>Mari >>>>’Tis-The-Demon wrote: >>>>>Hello, >>>>>I thought I had better introduce myself a little better. >>>>>I am 19 years old and live in Sydney Australia. I was diagnosed with >>>PCOS >>>>>about 1 1/2 years ago. I thought nothing of it. Now I am being told I >>>have a >>>>>lot of other problems too, all related to PCOS. My family history of >>>health >>>>>is really bad. My mum is a type 2 diabetic and has to have insulin 3 >>>times a >>>>>day. She has Wolf Parkinson white (spelling?), high blood pressure, bad >>>>>fluid retention and just about everything else, including MPD/DID. >>>>>I have always been a big girl, but as of about 2 years ago, I just >>>started >>>>>to get really obese. I weigh more now than I have ever weighed, and > also >>>>>more than anyone I know. I am finding it hard to deal with the > diagnosis >>>>>too. >>>>>I also have atypical depression plus I have been diagnosed clinically >>>>>depressed a few times. >>>>>Well, that’s the best I can do right now, I don’t know what else to >>>write, >>>>>but I will answer most questions if you want to ask anything. >>>>>Thanks for reading if you did, >>>>>Demon. >>>>>– >>>>>Stress: The confusion created when one’s mind overrides the body’s > basic >>>>>desire to choke the living shit out of some asshole who desperately >>>deserves >>>>>it.

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"’Tis-The-Demon" wrote in message

news:aduu7i$21abq$1@ID-145984.news.dfncis.de… > Well that, if you ask me, is a perfectly good reason to hate snow! what an > ordeal! But the cold shower bit really made me shudder, that would have been > the end for me, lol! > Demon.

I thought that it would be for me too. Good thing that I was in good health back then. My second choice was to just stay in the car with it running and the heater on. If I had done that I probably wouldn’t be here. The tail pipe was stuffed with snow. Amylee.

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Hi Demon, Reading that you were in Sydney I thought I would mention the following website in Australia that has some great Aussie mailing lists that you may be interested in: Polycystic Ovarian Syndrome Association of Australia (POSAA) http://www.posaa.asn.au cheers, Mari – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text -’Tis-The-Demon wrote: > Hello, > I thought I had better introduce myself a little better. > I am 19 years old and live in Sydney Australia. I was diagnosed with PCOS > about 1 1/2 years ago. I thought nothing of it. Now I am being told I have a > lot of other problems too, all related to PCOS. My family history of health > is really bad. My mum is a type 2 diabetic and has to have insulin 3 times a > day. She has Wolf Parkinson white (spelling?), high blood pressure, bad > fluid retention and just about everything else, including MPD/DID. > I have always been a big girl, but as of about 2 years ago, I just started > to get really obese. I weigh more now than I have ever weighed, and also > more than anyone I know. I am finding it hard to deal with the diagnosis > too. > I also have atypical depression plus I have been diagnosed clinically > depressed a few times. > Well, that’s the best I can do right now, I don’t know what else to write, > but I will answer most questions if you want to ask anything. > Thanks for reading if you did, > Demon. > — > Stress: The confusion created when one’s mind overrides the body’s basic > desire to choke the living shit out of some asshole who desperately deserves > it.

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Argh… luckily you didn’t do that then ( God that would have been horrible. I guess now you have moved to a warmer place though? If you want heat (which makes my skin worse, I don’t know about anyone else) you should come here, even in winter its not really that cold in most places. Damn heat, lol. Demon. "Amylee" wrote in message

news:wbDM8.12098$Vk4.516947228@newssvr16.news.prodigy.com… – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text -> "’Tis-The-Demon" wrote in message > news:aduu7i$21abq$1@ID-145984.news.dfncis.de… > > Well that, if you ask me, is a perfectly good reason to hate snow! what an > > ordeal! But the cold shower bit really made me shudder, that would have > been > > the end for me, lol! > > Demon. > I thought that it would be for me too. Good thing that I was in good health > back then. My second choice was to just stay in the car with it running and > the heater on. If I had done that I probably wouldn’t be here. The tail pipe > was stuffed with snow. Amylee.

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Oh thanks! That’s really nice of you. I haven’t seen you post here before? Are you new to the group or just a quiet one ) Also, where about are you? Thanks again, Demon. "Marianna Hill" wrote in message

news:3D030200.6050500@bigfoot.com… – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text -> Hi Demon, > Reading that you were in Sydney I thought I would mention the following > website in Australia that has some great Aussie mailing lists that you > may be interested in: > Polycystic Ovarian Syndrome Association of Australia (POSAA) > http://www.posaa.asn.au > cheers, > Mari > ‘Tis-The-Demon wrote: > > Hello, > > I thought I had better introduce myself a little better. > > I am 19 years old and live in Sydney Australia. I was diagnosed with PCOS > > about 1 1/2 years ago. I thought nothing of it. Now I am being told I have a > > lot of other problems too, all related to PCOS. My family history of health > > is really bad. My mum is a type 2 diabetic and has to have insulin 3 times a > > day. She has Wolf Parkinson white (spelling?), high blood pressure, bad > > fluid retention and just about everything else, including MPD/DID. > > I have always been a big girl, but as of about 2 years ago, I just started > > to get really obese. I weigh more now than I have ever weighed, and also > > more than anyone I know. I am finding it hard to deal with the diagnosis > > too. > > I also have atypical depression plus I have been diagnosed clinically > > depressed a few times. > > Well, that’s the best I can do right now, I don’t know what else to write, > > but I will answer most questions if you want to ask anything. > > Thanks for reading if you did, > > Demon. > > — > > Stress: The confusion created when one’s mind overrides the body’s basic > > desire to choke the living shit out of some asshole who desperately deserves > > it.

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I’m a lurker .. in Sydney – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text -’Tis-The-Demon wrote: > Oh thanks! That’s really nice of you. > I haven’t seen you post here before? Are you new to the group or just a > quiet one ) > Also, where about are you? > Thanks again, > Demon. > "Marianna Hill" wrote in message > news:3D030200.6050500@bigfoot.com… >>Hi Demon, >>Reading that you were in Sydney I thought I would mention the following >>website in Australia that has some great Aussie mailing lists that you >>may be interested in: >>Polycystic Ovarian Syndrome Association of Australia (POSAA) >>http://www.posaa.asn.au >>cheers, >>Mari >>’Tis-The-Demon wrote: >>>Hello, >>>I thought I had better introduce myself a little better. >>>I am 19 years old and live in Sydney Australia. I was diagnosed with > PCOS >>>about 1 1/2 years ago. I thought nothing of it. Now I am being told I > have a >>>lot of other problems too, all related to PCOS. My family history of > health >>>is really bad. My mum is a type 2 diabetic and has to have insulin 3 > times a >>>day. She has Wolf Parkinson white (spelling?), high blood pressure, bad >>>fluid retention and just about everything else, including MPD/DID. >>>I have always been a big girl, but as of about 2 years ago, I just > started >>>to get really obese. I weigh more now than I have ever weighed, and also >>>more than anyone I know. I am finding it hard to deal with the diagnosis >>>too. >>>I also have atypical depression plus I have been diagnosed clinically >>>depressed a few times. >>>Well, that’s the best I can do right now, I don’t know what else to > write, >>>but I will answer most questions if you want to ask anything. >>>Thanks for reading if you did, >>>Demon. >>>– >>>Stress: The confusion created when one’s mind overrides the body’s basic >>>desire to choke the living shit out of some asshole who desperately > deserves >>>it.

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Well that, if you ask me, is a perfectly good reason to hate snow! what an ordeal! But the cold shower bit really made me shudder, that would have been the end for me, lol! Demon. – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text -> It snowed here on Pauls birthday. He loved that. I like the cold but when I > first met Clyde he was living in Northern New Mexico. I went around a corner > one day in the car and ran into this big pile of snow. This was way out into > the country and being from the desert I had no idea what to do. I walked > eight miles home with heels on and when I got there I wanted to take a hot > shower. Luckily Clyde and his boss just drove up from feeding cattle. He > told me that I had to take a cold shower. NO WAY. That cold water felt > boiling hot. I was lucky it wasn’t too bad and him being a country boy knew > how to take care of it. That is why I hate snow. Amylee.

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Ditto my buddy ) *hugs!* Demon. "Bug" wrote in message

news:eh94gucavalerl37a7qda0st37r103993c@4ax.com… – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text -> Well I know Demon already. We met in another group. She is one of > the most wonderful people I’ve ever known I’m proud to call her > friend!!!! > Bless your heart, Demon!!!! > (((((((((((((HUGS)))))))))))))) > Bug > On Sat, 8 Jun 2002 15:52:23 +1000, "’Tis-The-Demon" > wrote: > >Hello, > >I thought I had better introduce myself a little better. > >I am 19 years old and live in Sydney Australia. I was diagnosed with PCOS > >about 1 1/2 years ago. I thought nothing of it. Now I am being told I have a > >lot of other problems too, all related to PCOS. My family history of health > >is really bad. My mum is a type 2 diabetic and has to have insulin 3 times a > >day. She has Wolf Parkinson white (spelling?), high blood pressure, bad > >fluid retention and just about everything else, including MPD/DID. > >I have always been a big girl, but as of about 2 years ago, I just started > >to get really obese. I weigh more now than I have ever weighed, and also > >more than anyone I know. I am finding it hard to deal with the diagnosis > >too. > >I also have atypical depression plus I have been diagnosed clinically > >depressed a few times. > >Well, that’s the best I can do right now, I don’t know what else to write, > >but I will answer most questions if you want to ask anything. > >Thanks for reading if you did, > >Demon.

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I have to agree, there are some very helpful and nice people in here. Demon. "Amylee" wrote in message

news:XHsM8.3657$tK2.118987971@newssvr17.news.prodigy.com… – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text -> "Bug" wrote in message > news:eh94gucavalerl37a7qda0st37r103993c@4ax.com… > > Well I know Demon already. We met in another group. She is one of > > the most wonderful people I’ve ever known I’m proud to call her > > friend!!!! > > Bless your heart, Demon!!!! > > (((((((((((((HUGS)))))))))))))) > > Bug > I am just getting to know her but it looks like everyone in here is great. > Amylee.

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"’Tis-The-Demon" wrote in message

news:adu5l3$26rn2$1@ID-145984.news.dfncis.de… > > > DID is the same thing, MPD doesn’t really exist anymore, DID is the > proper > > > name for it now. I am not sure why they did that, probably just to > confuse > > > people, lol. > > Of course that would be a reason. Look at all of the labels for autism. > I didn’t know there were a lot?

There is dozens. pdd, pdd-nos, aspergers, fragile x, msdd and the list goes on and on. > > I think you would probably like a visit but would get homesick. I am > really > > bad about thinking the grass is greener on the other side. Clyde just told > > me that he is NOT going to move anymore. Amylee. > Awww ( I was going to suggest we all move to Antarctica! > lol > Demon.

Paul would love that. He wants snow year round. I hate snow. He wants to go to there and study penguins when he is grown. I told him that he could go work at the zoo. Amylee.

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> > > Of course that would be a reason. Look at all of the labels for autism. > > I didn’t know there were a lot? > There is dozens. pdd, pdd-nos, aspergers, fragile x, msdd and the list goes > on and on.

Whoa, there you go. I learnt something new today. > > Awww ( I was going to suggest we all move to Antarctica! > > lol > > Demon. > Paul would love that. He wants snow year round. I hate snow. He wants to go > to there and study penguins when he is grown. I told him that he could go > work at the zoo. Amylee.

I have never seen snow in real life, but my mum went skiing and only wore a short sleeve shirt and shorts! She never feels the cold unless she isn’t well. Demon.

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"’Tis-The-Demon" wrote in message

news:adut92$2eu4u$1@ID-145984.news.dfncis.de… > > > > Of course that would be a reason. Look at all of the labels for > autism. > > > I didn’t know there were a lot? > > There is dozens. pdd, pdd-nos, aspergers, fragile x, msdd and the list > goes > > on and on. > Whoa, there you go. I learnt something new today.

There you go. – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text -> > > Awww ( I was going to suggest we all move to Antarctica! > > > lol > > > Demon. > > Paul would love that. He wants snow year round. I hate snow. He wants to > go > > to there and study penguins when he is grown. I told him that he could go > > work at the zoo. Amylee. > I have never seen snow in real life, but my mum went skiing and only wore a > short sleeve shirt and shorts! She never feels the cold unless she isn’t > well. > Demon.

It snowed here on Pauls birthday. He loved that. I like the cold but when I first met Clyde he was living in Northern New Mexico. I went around a corner one day in the car and ran into this big pile of snow. This was way out into the country and being from the desert I had no idea what to do. I walked eight miles home with heels on and when I got there I wanted to take a hot shower. Luckily Clyde and his boss just drove up from feeding cattle. He told me that I had to take a cold shower. NO WAY. That cold water felt boiling hot. I was lucky it wasn’t too bad and him being a country boy knew how to take care of it. That is why I hate snow. Amylee.

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> > WooHoo! I know an abbreviation that you dont! lol, sorry i could’t resist > > ) > > Multiple Personality Disorder / Dissociative Identity Disorder > Okay I know what the first one is. That is when you spelled it out. lol.

DID is the same thing, MPD doesn’t really exist anymore, DID is the proper name for it now. I am not sure why they did that, probably just to confuse people, lol. > > I think you should come over here and have a holiday, you can send Shaker > a > > post card? lol! Do you have someone that could mind him? > > Demon. > I would get my daughter in law to check on Shaker. Now I just need to go > down to Texas and get me a ticket. Oklahoma don’t have a lottery. We get > directv so our fox and abc is out of New York. We always *play* the lottery. > My number is 7 and Paul’s is 5 no telling what Clyde will pick. Amylee.

We don’t get the lottery much, there are like 3-4 different types though. It will take longer, but I am saving up to go and see Bug one day when I get enough money, my mother and I will be hoping to stay over near her for a little while, have a holiday, and then maybe to Vegas for a while. I think it would be better to live in the USA, truth be known, I actually hate our country. Demon.

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Well I know Demon already. We met in another group. She is one of the most wonderful people I’ve ever known I’m proud to call her friend!!!! Bless your heart, Demon!!!! (((((((((((((HUGS)))))))))))))) Bug On Sat, 8 Jun 2002 15:52:23 +1000, "’Tis-The-Demon" wrote: – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text ->Hello, >I thought I had better introduce myself a little better. >I am 19 years old and live in Sydney Australia. I was diagnosed with PCOS >about 1 1/2 years ago. I thought nothing of it. Now I am being told I have a >lot of other problems too, all related to PCOS. My family history of health >is really bad. My mum is a type 2 diabetic and has to have insulin 3 times a >day. She has Wolf Parkinson white (spelling?), high blood pressure, bad >fluid retention and just about everything else, including MPD/DID. >I have always been a big girl, but as of about 2 years ago, I just started >to get really obese. I weigh more now than I have ever weighed, and also >more than anyone I know. I am finding it hard to deal with the diagnosis >too. >I also have atypical depression plus I have been diagnosed clinically >depressed a few times. >Well, that’s the best I can do right now, I don’t know what else to write, >but I will answer most questions if you want to ask anything. >Thanks for reading if you did, >Demon.

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Hello, I thought I had better introduce myself a little better. I am 19 years old and live in Sydney Australia. I was diagnosed with PCOS about 1 1/2 years ago. I thought nothing of it. Now I am being told I have a lot of other problems too, all related to PCOS. My family history of health is really bad. My mum is a type 2 diabetic and has to have insulin 3 times a day. She has Wolf Parkinson white (spelling?), high blood pressure, bad fluid retention and just about everything else, including MPD/DID. I have always been a big girl, but as of about 2 years ago, I just started to get really obese. I weigh more now than I have ever weighed, and also more than anyone I know. I am finding it hard to deal with the diagnosis too. I also have atypical depression plus I have been diagnosed clinically depressed a few times. Well, that’s the best I can do right now, I don’t know what else to write, but I will answer most questions if you want to ask anything. Thanks for reading if you did, Demon. — Stress: The confusion created when one’s mind overrides the body’s basic desire to choke the living shit out of some asshole who desperately deserves it.

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news:ads63b$1qabs$1@ID-145984.news.dfncis.de… – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text -> Hello, > I thought I had better introduce myself a little better. > I am 19 years old and live in Sydney Australia. I was diagnosed with PCOS > about 1 1/2 years ago. I thought nothing of it. Now I am being told I have a > lot of other problems too, all related to PCOS. My family history of health > is really bad. My mum is a type 2 diabetic and has to have insulin 3 times a > day. She has Wolf Parkinson white (spelling?), high blood pressure, bad > fluid retention and just about everything else, including MPD/DID. > I have always been a big girl, but as of about 2 years ago, I just started > to get really obese. I weigh more now than I have ever weighed, and also > more than anyone I know. I am finding it hard to deal with the diagnosis > too. > I also have atypical depression plus I have been diagnosed clinically > depressed a few times. > Well, that’s the best I can do right now, I don’t know what else to write, > but I will answer most questions if you want to ask anything. > Thanks for reading if you did, > Demon.

I read it. I have not done an intro yet but I think everyone knows pretty much about me. What is MPD/DID? I have always wanted to go to Australia. I have some efriends over there that I have had for years. I probably won’t get to go but IF I won the lottery I would pack up my favorite clothes, the kid and hubby, and head out. I don’t know what to do about Shaker though cause if he goes outside he passes out and his eyes get sunburned. Amylee.

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"Amylee" wrote in message

news:2ihM8.11437$y06.494942328@newssvr16.news.prodigy.com… – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text -> "’Tis-The-Demon" wrote in message > news:ads63b$1qabs$1@ID-145984.news.dfncis.de… > > Hello, > > I thought I had better introduce myself a little better. > > I am 19 years old and live in Sydney Australia. I was diagnosed with PCOS > > about 1 1/2 years ago. I thought nothing of it. Now I am being told I have > a > > lot of other problems too, all related to PCOS. My family history of > health > > is really bad. My mum is a type 2 diabetic and has to have insulin 3 times > a > > day. She has Wolf Parkinson white (spelling?), high blood pressure, bad > > fluid retention and just about everything else, including MPD/DID. > > I have always been a big girl, but as of about 2 years ago, I just started > > to get really obese. I weigh more now than I have ever weighed, and also > > more than anyone I know. I am finding it hard to deal with the diagnosis > > too. > > I also have atypical depression plus I have been diagnosed clinically > > depressed a few times. > > Well, that’s the best I can do right now, I don’t know what else to write, > > but I will answer most questions if you want to ask anything. > > Thanks for reading if you did, > > Demon. > I read it. I have not done an intro yet but I think everyone knows pretty > much about me. What is MPD/DID?

WooHoo! I know an abbreviation that you dont! lol, sorry i could’t resist ) Multiple Personality Disorder / Dissociative Identity Disorder I have always wanted to go to Australia. I > have some efriends over there that I have had for years. I probably won’t > get to go but IF I won the lottery I would pack up my favorite clothes, the > kid and hubby, and head out. I don’t know what to do about Shaker though > cause if he goes outside he passes out and his eyes get sunburned. Amylee.

I think you should come over here and have a holiday, you can send Shaker a post card? lol! Do you have someone that could mind him? Demon.

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news:adsbhu$1u59p$1@ID-145984.news.dfncis.de… – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text -> "Amylee" wrote in message > news:2ihM8.11437$y06.494942328@newssvr16.news.prodigy.com… > > "’Tis-The-Demon" wrote in message > > news:ads63b$1qabs$1@ID-145984.news.dfncis.de… > > > Hello, > > > I thought I had better introduce myself a little better. > > > I am 19 years old and live in Sydney Australia. I was diagnosed with > PCOS > > > about 1 1/2 years ago. I thought nothing of it. Now I am being told I > have > > a > > > lot of other problems too, all related to PCOS. My family history of > > health > > > is really bad. My mum is a type 2 diabetic and has to have insulin 3 > times > > a > > > day. She has Wolf Parkinson white (spelling?), high blood pressure, bad > > > fluid retention and just about everything else, including MPD/DID. > > > I have always been a big girl, but as of about 2 years ago, I just > started > > > to get really obese. I weigh more now than I have ever weighed, and also > > > more than anyone I know. I am finding it hard to deal with the diagnosis > > > too. > > > I also have atypical depression plus I have been diagnosed clinically > > > depressed a few times. > > > Well, that’s the best I can do right now, I don’t know what else to > write, > > > but I will answer most questions if you want to ask anything. > > > Thanks for reading if you did, > > > Demon. > > I read it. I have not done an intro yet but I think everyone knows pretty > > much about me. What is MPD/DID? > WooHoo! I know an abbreviation that you dont! lol, sorry i could’t resist > ) > Multiple Personality Disorder / Dissociative Identity Disorder

Okay I know what the first one is. That is when you spelled it out. lol. > I have always wanted to go to Australia. I > > have some efriends over there that I have had for years. I probably won’t > > get to go but IF I won the lottery I would pack up my favorite clothes, > the > > kid and hubby, and head out. I don’t know what to do about Shaker though > > cause if he goes outside he passes out and his eyes get sunburned. Amylee. > I think you should come over here and have a holiday, you can send Shaker a > post card? lol! Do you have someone that could mind him? > Demon.

I would get my daughter in law to check on Shaker. Now I just need to go down to Texas and get me a ticket. Oklahoma don’t have a lottery. We get directv so our fox and abc is out of New York. We always *play* the lottery. My number is 7 and Paul’s is 5 no telling what Clyde will pick. Amylee.

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I agree with you. I also think that flexiablity is also important. Especially if your on a long term diet. You have to be able to make changes and adjustments. If a diet is too strict or ridget [sp] a person is more likely to get bored. tbs~

| | I basically think that every WOE works for some people, and no WOE | works for everyone, because everyone has different food preferences, | physical reactions to foods, moral views, finances, time available for | food preparation, family habits, etc. IMHO, an eating plan that | seriously conflicts with any of these is not an eating plan that | works. | | Thanks to everyone who responded! | | -Anna | 196/174/145

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Hi Anna! Welcome to ASD and thanks for delurking. Your numbers are looking good. I’m glad you’ve found a WOE that works for you. Cheers, Lia — 230/214/194 by June 8/154 longterm goal To reply change got to hot

– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – Hello, I’ve been lurking here forever (2+ years), and I thought I’d post and let everyone know how much reading the group has helped me. Like many here, I have been trying to lose weight for years. I failed miserably on both low-carb and low-fat diets (I have nothing against them; they just didn’t work for me). Partly thanks to this group, though, I kept trying stuff, I think I’ve found a compromise that seems to work for me–basically, I eat low-glycemic index carbs (veggies, beans, certain whole grains and fruits) and low- or medium-fat protein. It’s amazing how full I can get on a plate full of vegetables, beans, and chicken, with very few calories! And my carb cravings are gone. I’m also exercising five days a week, which I’m sure is helping. I’ve been going strong for about 8 months (a record for me), and I plan to continue forever. Thanks for all the support! -Anna 196/174/145 it feels good to type that

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Welcome Anna, You have done really well, good of you to de-lurk and join us. Roxan

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Have you tried lowfat but limiting the carbs to veggies, fruits, and whole grains? Staying away from refined sugar and flour has really curbed my cravings. I was doing fine on lowfat high carbs (for many years) until I quit smoking a year ago. Since then I have had to alter my WOE. — Theresa 145/132/120

– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – I lost weight on both low-fat and low-carb diets, and I stuck with them for varying lengths of time. I just didn’t *like* them enough to stick with them for the rest of my life, which is my main criterion for a diet that "works for me." On low-carb I totally lost my appetite for everything but sugar and bread, and I had to force-feed myself eggs, meat, and dairy, which I’ve never liked much anyway. I felt ill and tired all the time, and dreaded every meal; I basically decided I’d rather stay fat than continue feeling that way. Low-fat/high-carb was better, but I was always hungry and my carb cravings got worse (possibly related to the fact that I have Polycystic Ovarian Syndrome, which affects the body’s response to carbohydrates). I basically think that every WOE works for some people, and no WOE works for everyone, because everyone has different food preferences, physical reactions to foods, moral views, finances, time available for food preparation, family habits, etc. IMHO, an eating plan that seriously conflicts with any of these is not an eating plan that works. Thanks to everyone who responded! -Anna 196/174/145

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I lost weight on both low-fat and low-carb diets, and I stuck with them for varying lengths of time. I just didn’t *like* them enough to stick with them for the rest of my life, which is my main criterion for a diet that "works for me." On low-carb I totally lost my appetite for everything but sugar and bread, and I had to force-feed myself eggs, meat, and dairy, which I’ve never liked much anyway. I felt ill and tired all the time, and dreaded every meal; I basically decided I’d rather stay fat than continue feeling that way. Low-fat/high-carb was better, but I was always hungry and my carb cravings got worse (possibly related to the fact that I have Polycystic Ovarian Syndrome, which affects the body’s response to carbohydrates). I basically think that every WOE works for some people, and no WOE works for everyone, because everyone has different food preferences, physical reactions to foods, moral views, finances, time available for food preparation, family habits, etc. IMHO, an eating plan that seriously conflicts with any of these is not an eating plan that works. Thanks to everyone who responded! -Anna 196/174/145

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Not meaning to "speak" for anna, but I think she likely means that it didn’t work for her because it somehow didn’t "satisfy" her either physically, emotionally or both.

This is kind of what Ithought too. I figured she didn’t that the diet was at fault, that the diet wasn’t working, but that it didn’t work *for her*. Usually when a person uses that expression they don’t mean that the object is defective, but rather that it doesn’t mesh with the sujbect for whatever reason. Low-carb would probably be effective in causing me to lose weight if I tried it, but it doesn’t "work for me" because I don’t eat meat, dairy or eggs and like to have a diet with a wide range of food, and I don’t think I could accomplish all three of those things at once. — oliver 215/183/150 29%/18%/10%

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way to go anna and thanks for coming out of lurkdom! — read and post, rosie http://www.geocities.com/barrettetc/barrettetc.html

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Not meaning to "speak" for anna, but I think she likely means that it didn’t work for her because it somehow didn’t "satisfy" her either physically, emotionally or both. This would likely make it hard for her to stick with it. I have the same problem when I try to go on any sort of "diet". If anything is off limits, then I just crave it more. I have to allow things in small portions in order to succeed…but this is me. As long as I think a piece of cake is ok, I often don’t even want it. If I think I need to never eat it again, or even for a period of time, then all bets are off. It just becomes a much greater struggle, and I am likely to fail. So, I am just sort of guessing this might be what she is meaning by it not working for her, jmho. — Hopefull (294/235/135)

– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – Hello, I’ve been lurking here forever (2+ years), and I thought I’d post and let everyone know how much reading the group has helped me. Like many here, I have been trying to lose weight for years. I failed miserably on both low-carb and low-fat diets (I have nothing against them; they just didn’t work for me). It always interests me when people post these words "they/it didn’t work for me". What exactly do you mean by this? Is it intentionally cryptic? Do you mean? a/ you stuck to the eating plan prescribed and didn’t lose any weight b/ you didn’t stick to the eating plan c/ something else? If it’s (b) then how can you say they didn’t work if you didn’t stick to the eating plan? If its (a) well then …. and if it’s (c) then I’d like to hear about it! Oh by the way – Welcome! Paul [336/227/190] (Target 210 by 1st June 2002) Failure is simply a few errors in judgment, repeated every day. – Jim Rohn

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It always interests me when people post these words "they/it didn’t work for me". What exactly do you mean by this? Is it intentionally cryptic? Do you mean? a/ you stuck to the eating plan prescribed and didn’t lose any weight b/ you didn’t stick to the eating plan c/ something else? If it’s (b) then how can you say they didn’t work if you didn’t stick to the eating plan? If its (a) well then …. and if it’s (c) then I’d like to hear about it! Oh by the way – Welcome! Paul [336/227/190] (Target 210 by 1st June 2002) Failure is simply a few errors in judgment, repeated every day. – Jim Rohn

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Welcome, Anna, it sounds like your WOE is similar to mine except I don’t eat meat. It looks like it’s working well for you, those are some great looking numbers there. I just discovered that fructose has a GI of 20 so I’m experimenting with it for blood sugar control. — Theresa 145/132/120

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Hello, I’ve been lurking here forever (2+ years), and I thought I’d post and let everyone know how much reading the group has helped me. Like many here, I have been trying to lose weight for years. I failed miserably on both low-carb and low-fat diets (I have nothing against them; they just didn’t work for me). Partly thanks to this group, though, I kept trying stuff, I think I’ve found a compromise that seems to work for me–basically, I eat low-glycemic index carbs (veggies, beans, certain whole grains and fruits) and low- or medium-fat protein. It’s amazing how full I can get on a plate full of vegetables, beans, and chicken, with very few calories! And my carb cravings are gone. I’m also exercising five days a week, which I’m sure is helping. I’ve been going strong for about 8 months (a record for me), and I plan to continue forever. Thanks for all the support! -Anna 196/174/145 it feels good to type that

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Just wanted to give an update. Some of you guys and gals that have been around here for a while will remember me, for the rest I’ll give a fast update….Here it goes… There’s this guy (me) who has had a weight problem all his life. This guy joins the Army followed by Marines and struggles with his weight even in the military. This guy gets out of the military and as some years pass he gains back to around 250lbs. This guy wants to fly, buys a powered hang glider. A little over a year goes by this guy crashes his glider along with his left leg, right foot. Five months in bed and eating junk food is not a good combination. This guy gets to 300 lbs. I can’t believe this guy. ;<) This guy felt bad and the weight hurt his body where all his injuries were so he decided to do something about it. He started to walk, and walk some more, then some more till he could walk four to five miles a day. He gets down to oh I don’t know 250lbs and decides to join a gym. The gym has this contraption called an elliptical machine. Easy on the joints and makes him sweat BAD. Well about this time this dude is watching Dr. Phil and those folks on his show trying to lose weight and it really motivates this guy. He buys Dr. Phil’s 7 keys book and really gets excited and learns things about why he has a weight issue, so he changes his eating habits drastically from the way he use to eat and with the combination of exercise and eating well he gets down to 189 lbs. Wow 111 lbs drop. For some reason I’m think he really got down to 179lbs, but he had a hard time maintaining at that weight. Oh well don’t matter now. One day this guy works out on an elliptical and "SNAP", that broken foot he once had broke while pedaling and if I remember right it hurt like a B***H. Anyway 13 weeks later and not watching what he ate he gets back up to 225-230 pounds. Today that guy (ME) went back under 200. I’m reading a new book "The ABS Diet" written by a man who is the editor of Mens Fitness and though I haven’t finished it yet I’ve learned a lot and will try to follow this plan when I get back from Disney World in a couple weeks…..Yeah Mickey. I seem to be able to eat healthier today with craving the bad things and I’m trying to eat 5 to 6 times a day, smaller portions, with protiens, some carbs, basically lean meats, veggies, and fruit. I’ve learned I’m probably losing muscle from doing to much cardio, see I do about 6-1/2 a week on the elliptical now I’m learning after 20-30 minutes of high cardio workout you body switches it’s feeding mechanism from the fat cells to the muscle cells….Don’t quote me on wording I’m close in what I say…lol Anyway I’m happy with the way I look right now but I feel I could be even healthier and less prone to future health issues if I lose more weight. I plan to reduce my cardio time to 30 minutes and start doing weights, I’ve never liked lifting weights but I hear you don’t have to lift a lot of weight to get great benefits from weight lifting. I’ve read if you gain a pound of muscle you’ll burn an additional 50 calories a day a rest. Ten pounds of muscle…well you do the math. My hope is to get a lean and somewhat muscular body. Well I’ll try to keep posting as I reach certain goals and hopefully post some new pics as I reach the goals as well. Take care everyone, Paul in NRH TX 300/200/175? lean mean fighting machine

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Nice to hear from you again. I look forward to you posting again. Oh…..I’m envious of your trip to see Mickey! I’m a real fan of the mouse. My office is full of Mickey items. I hate to tell you this but he won’t be at Disney World. He’s been riding in the child seat in my van for the past couple years

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Hi Paul, it’s good to see you back. Kasey 365/213/190

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It’s great to hear from you, Paul. It sounds like you’re doing really well. You must be feeling so happy about the changes you’ve made in your life! Chris 262/130s/130s started dieting July 2002, maintaining since June 2004

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Paul ,I remember you:) Good to’see you’ back! glo

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Hi Kasey, Wow your numbers are looking great. Keep up the good work. Paul

– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – Hi Paul, it’s good to see you back. Kasey 365/213/190

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Just wanted to give an update. Some of you guys and gals that have been around here for a while will remember me, for the rest I’ll give a fast update….Here it goes…

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Good. And if it’s only a flight of stairs, skip the elevator. I’ve noticed that when I dont watch television or anything, a meal is a meal. When I’m watching T.v., its something I dont even notice swallowing.

Exactly! If you sit down with a plate of Cheezy-Snax and eat them one-by-one giving the taste and texture your full attention you soon discover how yuckyor blah they really are. But you can munch down the whole bag without even noticing them while watching HBO. My BIL lost 15 pounds or so in a couple of months by just turning off the TV when he wanted to eat … the choice of "NCA basketball finals" versus "Cheezy-Snax" weas easy to make. I want to really thank you for helping. Seeing that some people really want only money, its great to know that at least 1 person is here to help.

Just stuff some money in the modem Tsu Dho Nimh — "Y’know, I can *say* I’m Ming The Merciless, Emporer of Planet Mongo, but unless I can produce a few legions of heavily-armed rocket ships, you’re not likely to take me seriously." Morely Dotes, 2001

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– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – LOL, I guess they didn’t read the post before. My new diet has gone well Tsu, I am trying to get a job…Something new in my life to look forward to. I’m walking more often, and instead of going the short ways, I’ve been taking the long ways. Good. And if it’s only a flight of stairs, skip the elevator. I’ve noticed that when I dont watch television or anything, a meal is a meal. When I’m watching T.v., its something I dont even notice swallowing. Exactly! If you sit down with a plate of Cheezy-Snax and eat them one-by-one giving the taste and texture your full attention you soon discover how yuckyor blah they really are. But you can munch down the whole bag without even noticing them while watching HBO. My BIL lost 15 pounds or so in a couple of months by just turning off the TV when he wanted to eat … the choice of "NCA basketball finals" versus "Cheezy-Snax" weas easy to make. I want to really thank you for helping. Seeing that some people really want only money, its great to know that at least 1 person is here to help. Just stuff some money in the modem Tsu Dho Nimh

LOL. A sense of humor!

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LOL, I guess they didn’t read the post before. My new diet has gone well Tsu, I am trying to get a job…Something new in my life to look forward to. I’m walking more often, and instead of going the short ways, I’ve been taking the long ways. I’m still trying to cut down on what I eat and choose better things. I’ve noticed that when I dont watch television or anything, a meal is a meal. When I’m watching T.v., its something I dont even notice swallowing. I want to really thank you for helping. Seeing that some people really want only money, its great to know that at least 1 person is here to help.

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(snip the testemonial) If you want me to let you (and I guess your Mom or Dad) know how to obtain information on the completely.

So now you want her to spend a fortune buying YOUR stuff? What a bunch of VULTURES! Tsu Dho Nimh — "Y’know, I can *say* I’m Ming The Merciless, Emporer of Planet Mongo, but unless I can produce a few legions of heavily-armed rocket ships, you’re not likely to take me seriously." Morely Dotes, 2001

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If you have the ambition to lose the weight, and are serious about it, definately check out www.2qik4u.com, they are an International Herbalife distributor that have serviced many like yourself.

Put your mouse over the "Contact us" link on that site and you get Now have a look at the email address that came with Mark’s message. "They" is him. These pyramid scheme scammers must think we all came down in the last shower. Why is that none of them will say "I sell this – try it", but all have to pretend that the selling is done by someone else? (That is a rhetorical question, BTW.) Mad – Quintessence of the Loon http://www.ratbags.com/loon Bad – The Millenium Project http://www.ratbags.com/rsoles Sad – Full Canvas Jacket http://www.ratbags.com/ranters

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– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – Kimberly, It’s funny that I came across your cry for help. Frankly, I am well overweight myself and believe me I have been fighting it all my life. I have tried it all. Have spent a fortune on Diet "scams" and Jenny Craig has a piece of my purse as well. Well, I recently switched my home over to some natural Non-Toxic products and with my package came a bunch of natural vitamins and suppliments including some "meal" replacement products and stuff like that. I didn’t give it any thought but because I was contemplating promoting the line of products I tried them. I have been simply taking natural vitamins which have boosted my energy level and so I an I guess naturally more active as a result. Once in a while I have enjoyed one of the "meal replacement" bars (really becuase they just taste so good) but I haven’t been using the shakes or bars on a regular basis. I eat well and what I enjoy. Well, I kind of gave up on weight loss because I am 42 years old and at my age it gets much more difficult to lose weight. I figured I was happy, so the heck with it although I would really in my heart of hearts like to lose weight. Well, something made me get on the scale last night and I have lost 12 pounds ober the last 2 1/2 weeks. Without even really trying. So I’m going to keep up my suppliments because they are really the only thing I can think of to attribute it to. If you want me to let you (and I guess your Mom or Dad) know how to obtain information on the completely. Until then, the most important thing in your life is who you are inside. Be happy, your young and have your whole life ahead of you. The fact that you have chosen to face this issue directly is a positive thing and you should be VERY proud of your honesty with yourself.

Hey, another bottom-feeder!! SupplEments and "meal replacements" (which you just happen to sell) instead of exercise and good food choices. What a stunningly bad piece of advice.

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Kimberly, It’s funny that I came across your cry for help. Frankly, I am well overweight myself and believe me I have been fighting it all my life. I have tried it all. Have spent a fortune on Diet "scams" and Jenny Craig has a piece of my purse as well. Well, I recently switched my home over to some natural Non-Toxic products and with my package came a bunch of natural vitamins and suppliments including some "meal" replacement products and stuff like that. I didn’t give it any thought but because I was contemplating promoting the line of products I tried them. I have been simply taking natural vitamins which have boosted my energy level and so I an I guess naturally more active as a result. Once in a while I have enjoyed one of the "meal replacement" bars (really becuase they just taste so good) but I haven’t been using the shakes or bars on a regular basis. I eat well and what I enjoy. Well, I kind of gave up on weight loss because I am 42 years old and at my age it gets much more difficult to lose weight. I figured I was happy, so the heck with it although I would really in my heart of hearts like to lose weight. Well, something made me get on the scale last night and I have lost 12 pounds ober the last 2 1/2 weeks. Without even really trying. So I’m going to keep up my suppliments because they are really the only thing I can think of to attribute it to. If you want me to let you (and I guess your Mom or Dad) know how to obtain information on the completely. Until then, the most important thing in your life is who you are inside. Be happy, your young and have your whole life ahead of you. The fact that you have chosen to face this issue directly is a positive thing and you should be VERY proud of your honesty with yourself. Kristen

– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – I am a female, 16 1/2 years old, and extremely overweight. I’m 5′7 and I weigh 230 lbs. I need to lose weight. Can anyone out there set me up with a good plan? I know you’ll probably just say go to your doctor….I have, they only tell me to eat better and exercise. I try. Someone please, I need your help a.s.a.p.! I dont want to get any bigger, I need your help. You can email me too. Thanks.

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– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – Well there are definately quite a few approaches to losing weight, losing it quickly and of course keeping it off. Although there isn’t one person that can say anything negatively about Herbalife. Oh yes there is – me! It’s just caffeine and ephedrine and doers nothing to change the lifetstyle that got the person into bad shape. You can simply lose 30lbs./month and actually maintain it. Bullshit! Show some clinical studies that back this up, including the "maintaining it" part. You have nothing but the manufactuerer’s assertions. They even have these tablets you take that control your late night hunger cravings. I dont care if you simply want to lose 12 pounds for this coming summer to fit into your bikini and look great or lose 150lbs and keep it off, this product works, and yes I speak from experience. Check out this web-site and read the testimonials and see before and after shots of dozens of customers. Several years ago (when I was a skinny 5′5" 110 lb) I was approached by one of their reps to become a rep too … they told me I could make a lot of money just by saying I had used Herbalife to achieve my current weight. The dishonesty of the technique didn’t bother him in the least, so I assume they would be equally willing to use faked before and afters (those can be easily faked!) http://www.2qik4u.com . Of course you will get natural people who love to flame anything they haven’t tried, but you will not get anyone flaming the product because it didn’t work. We can flame the spamming reps who spread Herbalife lies If you listen to everyone’s opinions, which most are hear-say about any product without actually taking the action yourself, you will never find out. Tsu Dho Nimh

That really hurts to know that people could do that to other people so carelessly all for money. I have spent a lot of money trying herbal pills (maybe its not healthy but I was desperate). Thanks for the help Tsu, I’ll start your ideas first thing tomorrow morning! I hope it works! I’ll email you in 2 weeks or follow up on your posts.

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I am a female, 16 1/2 years old, and extremely overweight. I’m 5′7 and I weigh 230 lbs. I need to lose weight. Can anyone out there set me up with a good plan? I know you’ll probably just say go to your doctor….I have, they only tell me to eat better and exercise. I try. Someone please, I need your help a.s.a.p.! I dont want to get any bigger, I need your help. You can email me too. Thanks.

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Your only hope is exercise. Measure a 3-6 mile course and walk that almost every day. Lift weights twice a week. Join Weight Watchers so you can learn about portion sizes and good food choices. Go to your doctor and talk to him or her about polycystic ovarian syndrome if your periods are very irregular.

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Kim, try out Weight Watchers. The group support plus a very well balanced healthy way of eating and exercise plans will be very beneficial for you. Don’t be discouraged, hang in there. Also, do things that help you be a better person inside, volunteer, read spirit-feeding books, get to know yourself, the things you like and dislike and why. I’ve gone up and down with obesity since my teens and, for me, it had a lot to do with self-esteem. There’ll be mean people as well as wonderful people out there, no matter what your weight is, it is ultimately how you feel about yourself that will attract the better of us to you.

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I am a female, 16 1/2 years old, and extremely overweight. I’m 5′7 and I weigh 230 lbs. I need to lose weight. Can anyone out there set me up with a good plan?

You don’t need a diet … that implies that you will go off the diet (and then the weight comes back). You need to change the way you live and eat, permanently. I know you’ll probably just say go to your doctor….I have, they only tell me to eat better and exercise. I try.

Well, eating fewer calories and burning more of them with exercise is the only way to lose weight anf get fit. What it sounds like is that you need some moral support to keep you from giving up and heading for the ice cream. Weight Watchers is good, as is the Oprah "buddies" club (they buddy-up for exercise more than anything). Someone please, I need your help a.s.a.p.! I dont want to get any bigger, I need your help.

Try these for starters – they are part of what worked for a woman who was about 5′3 and 250+ at a clinic I worked in. Do it for two weeks and then email me. STOP WEIGHING YOURSELF! Pick a pair of pants that are snug right now and use them as a guideline. When you exercise, the first thing that happens is that you start gaining muscle and losing fat – you get thinner because muscle takes up less room than fatty tissue, but you don’t get lighter and may even gain a bit because muscle weighs more than an eaual volume of fatty tissue. The goal is not a certain weight, it’s a well-nourished and physically fit body. Get a cheap diary notebook and WRITE DOWN EVERYTHING you eat, with the time, location, what you were doing. A lot of eating is "habit" and it’s possible to change the habits. Get your parents involved: if you are a snacker, ask them to STOP buying junk food and start buying fruits and vegetables for snacking. If they always serve fat-loaded meals, you’ll have to get them to change their cooking habits (be sneaky, offer to cook dinner and make it high-veggie and low calorie) Get your body moving – even a small increase in exercise can turn into a considerable weight loss and fitness gain. Start with as much walking as you can handle without getting totally out of breath. If it’s once around the block, fine. If it’s a mile, that’s fine too. Walk at a pace that is as fast as you can move while still being able to talk. Don’t wait until you "feel like it", just put one foot in front of the other and keep those legs moving. This sounds odd, but experiment with new foods. I noticed that most of the overweight people I counselled were stuck in a food rut … and eating ever-increasing quantities of the same thing. At least once a week, try something TOTALLY new. And increase the range of herbs and spices you use. Tsu Dho Nimh — "Y’know, I can *say* I’m Ming The Merciless, Emporer of Planet Mongo, but unless I can produce a few legions of heavily-armed rocket ships, you’re not likely to take me seriously." Morely Dotes, 2001

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Several years ago (when I was a skinny 5′5" 110 lb) I was approached by one of their reps to become a rep too … they told me I could make a lot of money just by saying I had used Herbalife to achieve my current weight. The dishonesty of the technique didn’t bother him in the least, so I assume they would be equally willing to use faked before and afters (those can be easily faked!) That really hurts to know that people could do that to other people so carelessly all for money.

Some people willdo anything to make a buck. I have some scruples about how I earn mine. I have spent a lot of money trying herbal pills (maybe its not healthy but I was desperate). Thanks for the help Tsu, I’ll start your ideas first thing tomorrow morning! I hope it works! I’ll email you in 2 weeks or follow up on your posts.

OK – sounds good. One last tip: don’t eat while watching TV, talking on the phone, using the computer, driving, etc. When you eat, sit down at a table with the food on a plate and really EAT, concentrating on the taste and texture of the food – you might be surprised at how your favorite snack food loses its appeal when all you are doing is eating it. Tsu Dho Nimh — "Y’know, I can *say* I’m Ming The Merciless, Emporer of Planet Mongo, but unless I can produce a few legions of heavily-armed rocket ships, you’re not likely to take me seriously." Morely Dotes, 2001

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Well there are definately quite a few approaches to losing weight, losing it quickly and of course keeping it off. Although there isn’t one person that can say anything negatively about Herbalife.

Oh yes there is – me! It’s just caffeine and ephedrine and doers nothing to change the lifetstyle that got the person into bad shape. You can simply lose 30lbs./month and actually maintain it.

Bullshit! Show some clinical studies that back this up, including the "maintaining it" part. You have nothing but the manufactuerer’s assertions. They even have these tablets you take that control your late night hunger cravings. I dont care if you simply want to lose 12 pounds for this coming summer to fit into your bikini and look great or lose 150lbs and keep it off, this product works, and yes I speak from experience. Check out this web-site and read the testimonials and see before and after shots of dozens of customers.

Several years ago (when I was a skinny 5′5" 110 lb) I was approached by one of their reps to become a rep too … they told me I could make a lot of money just by saying I had used Herbalife to achieve my current weight. The dishonesty of the technique didn’t bother him in the least, so I assume they would be equally willing to use faked before and afters (those can be easily faked!) http://www.2qik4u.com . Of course you will get natural people who love to flame anything they haven’t tried, but you will not get anyone flaming the product because it didn’t work.

We can flame the spamming reps who spread Herbalife lies If you listen to everyone’s opinions, which most are hear-say about any product without actually taking the action yourself, you will never find out.

Tsu Dho Nimh — "Y’know, I can *say* I’m Ming The Merciless, Emporer of Planet Mongo, but unless I can produce a few legions of heavily-armed rocket ships, you’re not likely to take me seriously." Morely Dotes, 2001

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Well there are definately quite a few approaches to losing weight, losing it quickly and of course keeping it off. Although there isn’t one person that can say anything negatively about Herbalife. This is probably the most natural way to lose weight, and of course not by starving yourself. You can simply lose 30lbs./month and actually maintain it. They even have these tablets you take that control your late night hunger cravings. I dont care if you simply want to lose 12 pounds for this coming summer to fit into your bikini and look great or lose 150lbs and keep it off, this product works, and yes I speak from experience. Check out this web-site and read the testimonials and see before and after shots of dozens of customers. The web-site is http://www.2qik4u.com . Of course you will get natural people who love to flame anything they haven’t tried, but you will not get anyone flaming the product because it didn’t work.

Of course it works, it’s speed. Amphetamines (ephedra derivatives) have been effective dieting aids for decades; the only reason they’re not used any more is the War On Drugs. Herbalife deals with this by using ephedrine instead, which has more side-effects but isn’t regulated. — | May I have the serenity to accept the things I cannot change, | | the strength to change the things I cannot accept, and the | | cunning to hide the bodies of those who got in my way. |

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- Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – Kim, try out Weight Watchers. The group support plus a very well balanced healthy way of eating and exercise plans will be very beneficial for you. Don’t be discouraged, hang in there. Also, do things that help you be a better person inside, volunteer, read spirit-feeding books, get to know yourself, the things you like and dislike and why. I’ve gone up and down with obesity since my teens and, for me, it had a lot to do with self-esteem. There’ll be mean people as well as wonderful people out there, no matter what your weight is, it is ultimately how you feel about yourself that will attract the better of us to you. I am a female, 16 1/2 years old, and extremely overweight. I’m 5′7 and I weigh 230 lbs. I need to lose weight. Can anyone out there set me up with a good plan? I know you’ll probably just say go to your doctor….I have, they only tell me to eat better and exercise. I try. Someone please, I need your help a.s.a.p.! I dont want to get any bigger, I need your help. You can email me too. Thanks.

Thank you Twink, that meant a lot to me. I’ll try weight watchers out.

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what is PCOS?

admin — Sat, 02 Feb 2002 00:00:00 +0000

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hello, i’ve seen "PCOS’ assocciated with people who have diabetes. What does it stand for, so I don’t go wondering everytime I see it mentioned. thanks, lois

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Polycystic Ovarian Syndrome Kelli W.

– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – hello, i’ve seen "PCOS’ assocciated with people who have diabetes. What does it stand for, so I don’t go wondering everytime I see it mentioned. thanks, lois

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says… hello, i’ve seen "PCOS’ assocciated with people who have diabetes. What does it stand for, so I don’t go wondering everytime I see it mentioned. thanks, lois

Hi Here’s some more info about PCOS — Jenh Life is like a box of chocolates. Too damn full of carbs ! 280 / 251 / 140

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says… hello, i’ve seen "PCOS’ assocciated with people who have diabetes. What does it stand for, so I don’t go wondering everytime I see it mentioned. thanks, lois

Oops, I pressed the wrong button ! I’ll try again. Here’s a link for PCOS — Jenh Life is like a box of chocolates. Too damn full of carbs ! 280 / 251 / 140

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says… hello, i’ve seen "PCOS’ assocciated with people who have diabetes. What does it stand for, so I don’t go wondering everytime I see it mentioned. thanks, lois

http://www.inciid.org/faq/pcos.html — Jenh Life is like a box of chocolates. Too damn full of carbs ! 280 / 251 / 140

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Another Glucophage XR question

admin — Tue, 08 Jan 2002 00:00:00 +0000

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Cathy, About 6 months ago my doctor switched me to Glucophage XR and I’ve really liked it. I tend to get lower blood sugars when I was on just Glucophage and the XR version seems to keep them in balance better. I did suffer from diarrhea a lot w/ the regular Glucophage, but since August I’ve been following the Weight Watcher diet and since I’ve increased my water intake by A LOT, I don’t have diarrhea at all any more. Maybe it’s a combo of the diet/water and the XR. Good Luck, Diana

– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – Hi, My doctor asked me if I want to try the Glucophage XR in place of my 3 x a day 500mg Glucophage. Does it give as much control, I’m doing very well on regular Glucophage. I had diarrhea for a long time when I first started on the regular Glucophage. I also take it for my PCO (Polycystic Ovarian syndrome) and it’s working very well on that too. Love Cathy — P.H.O.B.I.A. Off-line NJ Panic/Anxiety support Group http://community.nj.com/cc/phobia If someone listens, or stretches out a hand, or whispers a kind word of encouragement, or attempts to understand a lonely person, extraordinary things begin to happen. ~Loretta Girzatlis~

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I take the XR and I have very good control. I like it very much For a few weeks I had stomach distress Loretta

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Thank you for your replies Diana and Loretta, Love Cathy — P.H.O.B.I.A. Off-line NJ Panic/Anxiety support Group http://community.nj.com/cc/phobia If someone listens, or stretches out a hand, or whispers a kind word of encouragement, or attempts to understand a lonely person, extraordinary things begin to happen. ~Loretta Girzatlis~

– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – Cathy, About 6 months ago my doctor switched me to Glucophage XR and I’ve really liked it. I tend to get lower blood sugars when I was on just Glucophage and the XR version seems to keep them in balance better. I did suffer from diarrhea a lot w/ the regular Glucophage, but since August I’ve been following the Weight Watcher diet and since I’ve increased my water intake by A LOT, I don’t have diarrhea at all any more. Maybe it’s a combo of the diet/water and the XR. Good Luck, Diana Hi, My doctor asked me if I want to try the Glucophage XR in place of my 3 x a day 500mg Glucophage. Does it give as much control, I’m doing very well on regular Glucophage. I had diarrhea for a long time when I first started on the regular Glucophage. I also take it for my PCO (Polycystic Ovarian syndrome) and it’s working very well on that too. Love Cathy — P.H.O.B.I.A. Off-line NJ Panic/Anxiety support Group http://community.nj.com/cc/phobia If someone listens, or stretches out a hand, or whispers a kind word of encouragement, or attempts to understand a lonely person, extraordinary things begin to happen. ~Loretta Girzatlis~

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Hi, My doctor asked me if I want to try the Glucophage XR in place of my 3 x a day 500mg Glucophage. Does it give as much control, I’m doing very well on regular Glucophage. I had diarrhea for a long time when I first started on the regular Glucophage. I also take it for my PCO (Polycystic Ovarian syndrome) and it’s working very well on that too. Love Cathy — P.H.O.B.I.A. Off-line NJ Panic/Anxiety support Group http://community.nj.com/cc/phobia If someone listens, or stretches out a hand, or whispers a kind word of encouragement, or attempts to understand a lonely person, extraordinary things begin to happen. ~Loretta Girzatlis~

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One thing to consider. Glucophage will soon be offered in a generic form. Much cheaper. Glucophage XR will not… that’s one of the reasons the company came up with it. If you have great insurance, it won’t matter. If you have a large copay or only get reimbursed for a portion… it will. Jennifer – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – Hi, My doctor asked me if I want to try the Glucophage XR in place of my 3 x a day 500mg Glucophage. Does it give as much control, I’m doing very well on regular Glucophage. I had diarrhea for a long time when I first started on the regular Glucophage. I also take it for my PCO (Polycystic Ovarian syndrome) and it’s working very well on that too. Love Cathy — P.H.O.B.I.A. Off-line NJ Panic/Anxiety support Group http://community.nj.com/cc/phobia If someone listens, or stretches out a hand, or whispers a kind word of encouragement, or attempts to understand a lonely person, extraordinary things begin to happen. ~Loretta Girzatlis~

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Hi Jennifer, I pay nothing for meds so the cost isn’t even a consideration. My GYN usually starts patients on Glucophage once a day and increases to 3 X a day then switches over to the XR when treating the PCO. I thought I heard conflicting opinions on the effectiveness of the XR over the regular, that’s why I asked the question. I would appreciate any input anyone might have. Love Cathy — P.H.O.B.I.A. Off-line NJ Panic/Anxiety support Group http://community.nj.com/cc/phobia If someone listens, or stretches out a hand, or whispers a kind word of encouragement, or attempts to understand a lonely person, extraordinary things begin to happen. ~Loretta Girzatlis~

– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – One thing to consider. Glucophage will soon be offered in a generic form. Much cheaper. Glucophage XR will not… that’s one of the reasons the company came up with it. If you have great insurance, it won’t matter. If you have a large copay or only get reimbursed for a portion… it will. Jennifer Hi, My doctor asked me if I want to try the Glucophage XR in place of my 3 x a day 500mg Glucophage. Does it give as much control, I’m doing very well on regular Glucophage. I had diarrhea for a long time when I first started on the regular Glucophage. I also take it for my PCO (Polycystic Ovarian syndrome) and it’s working very well on that too. Love Cathy — P.H.O.B.I.A. Off-line NJ Panic/Anxiety support Group http://community.nj.com/cc/phobia If someone listens, or stretches out a hand, or whispers a kind word of encouragement, or attempts to understand a lonely person, extraordinary things begin to happen. ~Loretta Girzatlis~

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weight loss related ammenorhea

admin — Mon, 07 Jan 2002 00:00:00 +0000

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Hi Diane, I’m not sure that it’s scarey. From what I can tell – I appear to be unlikely to have any deep nasty underlying cause. Should I be worrying about something else? As for the bodyfat – I guess being an Ob/GYN it wasn’t his field of expertise – it was only when surfing the ‘net I came across the body fat – ammenorhea link, so I may have to get that checked myself. Scarey or not – it is something I want to get sorted out – purely cos I hate having unexplained things floating around, and I’d like to know what’s going on! *grin* thanks for the prayers, I appreciate them. — krys UK 157/122/126 Started March 1st 2001 GOAL August 16th 2001 http://community.webshots.com/user/krystrot http://www.geocities.com/welcomenotice/index.html

– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – Krys, This is actually fairly scary, I think. Doesn’t your specialist have a way to test for body fat? Otherwise, most health food stores have a bioelectrical impedence test that you can take for a buck or two. Either that or check at your gym. How long has this been going on? Since March? Nearly a year? That seems to be pretty long to me. Good luck with this, I’ll keep you in my prayers. Best, Diane asdww FAQ: http://www.didian.com/asdww/ 185/150/145 (150 WW goal) Lifetime: 20 Feb 01

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thanks Roxan – I’ll check them out and see how I do — krys UK 157/122/126 Started March 1st 2001 GOAL August 16th 2001 http://community.webshots.com/user/krystrot http://www.geocities.com/welcomenotice/index.html

– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – Here is information on measuring body fat and the use of skinfold calipers. Roxan More info on ordering and measuring: http://www.enforcergraphics.f2s.com/bodyfat.htm hi guys as some as you may recall, since shortly after starting this WOL, my periods stopped, never to be seen again. Can’t say as I miss them, although it does have some impact on my libido, not having a natural cycle and all that. I saw the specialist guy today – and barring some further tests – he doesn’t think there’s any underlying cause for this, other than the diet + excercise. His feeling was that although I may be a healthy weight for my height, I may not be for my hormones. Now I’ve done a bit of ‘net surfing to look at this, and opinion seems to be that it’s only a problem if you have say 12% or below body fat – which I can’t imagine to be true in my case. So – a few questions – What’s a good way to measure body fat? Has anyone else experienced this, or know anything about it? Or do you know of any good resources where I could research further? Currently his prognosis appears to be test more, take some pills to force a period and see what that shows – and providing these show to live at this weight without them (increasing my risk of osteoporosis in they would reappear, though he couldn’t say how much I’d have to put on! (obviously I don’t find this an attractive option…) I have to say I’m not convinced. I reckon if left maintained and to its own devices for a while, my body would reassert itself……but I’m no expert. Any help would be hugely appreciated. Thanks for listening — krys UK 157/122/126 Started March 1st 2001 GOAL August 16th 2001 http://community.webshots.com/user/krystrot http://www.geocities.com/welcomenotice/index.html

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hi guys as some as you may recall, since shortly after starting this WOL, my periods stopped, never to be seen again. Can’t say as I miss them, although it does have some impact on my libido, not having a natural cycle and all that. I saw the specialist guy today – and barring some further tests – he doesn’t think there’s any underlying cause for this, other than the diet + excercise. His feeling was that although I may be a healthy weight for my height, I may not be for my hormones. Now I’ve done a bit of ‘net surfing to look at this, and opinion seems to be that it’s only a problem if you have say 12% or below body fat – which I can’t imagine to be true in my case. So – a few questions – What’s a good way to measure body fat? Has anyone else experienced this, or know anything about it? Or do you know of any good resources where I could research further? Currently his prognosis appears to be test more, take some pills to force a period and see what that shows – and providing these show live at this weight without them (increasing my risk of osteoporosis in would reappear, though he couldn’t say how much I’d have to put on! (obviously I don’t find this an attractive option…) I have to say I’m not convinced. I reckon if left maintained and to its own devices for a while, my body would reassert itself……but I’m no expert. Any help would be hugely appreciated. Thanks for listening — krys UK 157/122/126 Started March 1st 2001 GOAL August 16th 2001 http://community.webshots.com/user/krystrot http://www.geocities.com/welcomenotice/index.html

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Ballet students and gymnasts often lose their periods from the heavy exercise and diet. I lost mine after the first weight loss surgery when I lost 160 pounds in one year (1975), but when I sort of stabilized at 190 they came back. Then, of course, I started all the medical problems from that first surgery, and along the way had to have a total hysterectomy at age 42. I’ve heard that extreme weight gain in a short period also can stop periods. If your doctor has checked you out and sees no medical reason for your periods to stop, I wouldn’t worry about it. I suspect they’ll come back on their own in a few months. Until then, enjoy the freedom! Carol Schmidt

– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – hi guys as some as you may recall, since shortly after starting this WOL, my periods stopped, never to be seen again. Can’t say as I miss them, although it does have some impact on my libido, not having a natural cycle and all that. I saw the specialist guy today – and barring some further tests – he doesn’t think there’s any underlying cause for this, other than the diet + excercise. His feeling was that although I may be a healthy weight for my height, I may not be for my hormones. Now I’ve done a bit of ‘net surfing to look at this, and opinion seems to be that it’s only a problem if you have say 12% or below body fat – which I can’t imagine to be true in my case. So – a few questions – What’s a good way to measure body fat? Has anyone else experienced this, or know anything about it? Or do you know of any good resources where I could research further? Currently his prognosis appears to be test more, take some pills to force a period and see what that shows – and providing these show live at this weight without them (increasing my risk of osteoporosis in would reappear, though he couldn’t say how much I’d have to put on! (obviously I don’t find this an attractive option…) I have to say I’m not convinced. I reckon if left maintained and to its own devices for a while, my body would reassert itself……but I’m no expert. Any help would be hugely appreciated. Thanks for listening — krys UK 157/122/126 Started March 1st 2001 GOAL August 16th 2001 http://community.webshots.com/user/krystrot http://www.geocities.com/welcomenotice/index.html

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I think he was an OB/GYN – guess I should have been paying more attention! *grin* I’ve been doing some research into possible causes – and have come across PCOS, some adrenal gland disorders, and lots of websites that seem convinced that having lost weight and my periods – I simply MUST be anorexic. I’m going to wait for all the tests to be done and come back – and then ask him about the things I’ve found to check that he’s ruled them out. Doctor’s must hate internet browsing patients! — krys UK 157/122/126 Started March 1st 2001 GOAL August 16th 2001 http://community.webshots.com/user/krystrot http://www.geocities.com/welcomenotice/index.html

– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – I saw the specialist guy today – and barring some further tests – he doesn’t think there’s any underlying cause for this, other than the diet + excercise. Can you say what type of specialist this was? Was he a reproductive endocrinologist or an OB/GYN? No big deal, I’m just curious. His feeling was that although I may be a healthy weight for my height, I may not be for my hormones. Now I’ve done a bit of ‘net surfing to look at this, and opinion seems to be that it’s only a problem if you have say 12% or below body fat – which I can’t imagine to be true in my case. That’s what I’ve always heard, that this was most common in women who participated in competitive sports. The active weight loss could be the cause still, even if you didn’t have very low body fat. See: http://www.womens-health.com/health_center/gynecology/gyn_md_amenor.html. Polycystic Ovarian Syndrome can also cause amenorrhea, but that’s usually associated with being overweight (although there are many women in the normal weight range with PCOS). So – a few questions – What’s a good way to measure body fat? I’ve heard that the Tanita scales are pretty accurate. I think that some gyms may also have the electronic versions that read from other locations in the body. I have heard that the old standard caliper measurement is not that accurate. Or do you know of any good resources where I could research further? You may want to broaden your search and not exclude other causes for this. You could have PCOS or some other problem causing the amenorrhea. Also, I recommend the book _Taking Charge of Your Fertility_ by Toni Weschler for studying your cycle (if you really want some detail). I have to say I’m not convinced. I reckon if left maintained and to its own devices for a while, my body would reassert itself……but I’m no expert. I also agree that giving your body time to adjust may be a big factor. It may just be that you need to settle in your new self. Jennifer Jennifer in Tempe

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Hi Carol, Yep – that’s pretty much my feeling too – that I should leave well alone and trust in my body. I guess I’ll take the pills the doctor prescribed and see if that brings one one (though I’m still considering that), but I’m really what the results say, and knowing the system here, that could be quite some time yet anyway! *grin* — krys UK 157/122/126 Started March 1st 2001 GOAL August 16th 2001 http://community.webshots.com/user/krystrot http://www.geocities.com/welcomenotice/index.html

– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – Ballet students and gymnasts often lose their periods from the heavy exercise and diet. I lost mine after the first weight loss surgery when I lost 160 pounds in one year (1975), but when I sort of stabilized at 190 they came back. Then, of course, I started all the medical problems from that first surgery, and along the way had to have a total hysterectomy at age 42. I’ve heard that extreme weight gain in a short period also can stop periods. If your doctor has checked you out and sees no medical reason for your periods to stop, I wouldn’t worry about it. I suspect they’ll come back on their own in a few months. Until then, enjoy the freedom! Carol Schmidt

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Hi Donna, As discussed on a previous post, I am cutting back on the excercise anyway, so it’ll be interesting to see what effect that has. I also am all done in the baby department – and how! My two are more than enough on some days I would like to have my periods back in some ways – were I hormonally normal again my libido might increase somewhat. Not having them is somehow de-feminising. And osteoporosis doesn’t appeal – though I’m not AFAIK in a high risk group to start with, so an increased risk might not be as bad as it sounds. Ho hum – I guess I’ll have to wait and see what the results, and time, bring. Thanks for your input — krys UK 157/122/126 Started March 1st 2001 GOAL August 16th 2001 http://community.webshots.com/user/krystrot http://www.geocities.com/welcomenotice/index.html

– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – Hi Krys Can’t really provide any answers here, but if it were me, I would hold out for nature to take it’s course, and maybe cut back on the exercise….but, it depends on what reason you want your period to return. I’m done in the baby department, so a reprieve from my period would be a nice change of pace…….as long as I didn’t feel awful because of it….I’m probably also about 4 years. Donna C

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Here is information on measuring body fat and the use of skinfold calipers. Roxan More info on ordering and measuring: http://www.enforcergraphics.f2s.com/bodyfat.htm

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Krys, This is actually fairly scary, I think. Doesn’t your specialist have a way to test for body fat? Otherwise, most health food stores have a bioelectrical impedence test that you can take for a buck or two. Either that or check at your gym. How long has this been going on? Since March? Nearly a year? That seems to be pretty long to me. Good luck with this, I’ll keep you in my prayers. Best, Diane asdww FAQ: http://www.didian.com/asdww/ 185/150/145 (150 WW goal) Lifetime: 20 Feb 01 – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text -hi guys as some as you may recall, since shortly after starting this WOL, my periods stopped, never to be seen again. Can’t say as I miss them, although it does have some impact on my libido, not having a natural cycle and all that. I saw the specialist guy today – and barring some further tests – he doesn’t think there’s any underlying cause for this, other than the diet + excercise. His feeling was that although I may be a healthy weight for my height, I may not be for my hormones. Now I’ve done a bit of ‘net surfing to look at this, and opinion seems to be that it’s only a problem if you have say 12% or below body fat – which I can’t imagine to be true in my case. So – a few questions – What’s a good way to measure body fat? Has anyone else experienced this, or know anything about it? Or do you know of any good resources where I could research further? Currently his prognosis appears to be test more, take some pills to force a period and see what that shows – and providing these show live at this weight without them (increasing my risk of osteoporosis in would reappear, though he couldn’t say how much I’d have to put on! (obviously I don’t find this an attractive option…) I have to say I’m not convinced. I reckon if left maintained and to its own devices for a while, my body would reassert itself……but I’m no expert. Any help would be hugely appreciated. Thanks for listening — krys UK 157/122/126 Started March 1st 2001 GOAL August 16th 2001 http://community.webshots.com/user/krystrot http://www.geocities.com/welcomenotice/index.html

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I saw the specialist guy today – and barring some further tests – he doesn’t think there’s any underlying cause for this, other than the diet + excercise.

Can you say what type of specialist this was? Was he a reproductive endocrinologist or an OB/GYN? No big deal, I’m just curious. His feeling was that although I may be a healthy weight for my height, I may not be for my hormones. Now I’ve done a bit of ‘net surfing to look at this, and opinion seems to be that it’s only a problem if you have say 12% or below body fat – which I can’t imagine to be true in my case.

That’s what I’ve always heard, that this was most common in women who participated in competitive sports. The active weight loss could be the cause still, even if you didn’t have very low body fat. See: http://www.womens-health.com/health_center/gynecology/gyn_md_amenor.html. Polycystic Ovarian Syndrome can also cause amenorrhea, but that’s usually associated with being overweight (although there are many women in the normal weight range with PCOS). So – a few questions – What’s a good way to measure body fat?

I’ve heard that the Tanita scales are pretty accurate. I think that some gyms may also have the electronic versions that read from other locations in the body. I have heard that the old standard caliper measurement is not that accurate. Or do you know of any good resources where I could research further?

You may want to broaden your search and not exclude other causes for this. You could have PCOS or some other problem causing the amenorrhea. Also, I recommend the book _Taking Charge of Your Fertility_ by Toni Weschler for studying your cycle (if you really want some detail). I have to say I’m not convinced. I reckon if left maintained and to its own devices for a while, my body would reassert itself……but I’m no expert.

I also agree that giving your body time to adjust may be a big factor. It may just be that you need to settle in your new self. Jennifer Jennifer in Tempe

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Hi Krys Can’t really provide any answers here, but if it were me, I would hold out for nature to take it’s course, and maybe cut back on the exercise….but, it depends on what reason you want your period to return. I’m done in the baby department, so a reprieve from my period would be a nice change of pace…….as long as I didn’t feel awful because of it….I’m probably also about 4 years. Donna C