I’ve been lc-ing since Dec. 1st 2003.

If you’re on Atkins that’s Induction.  You should not have stepped on the scale at all yet. Strictly counting carbs <20 net carbs per day.

If you’re on Atkins move on to OWL.  A fair number don’t lose with carbs that low.  Less is not more, that’s the single most important idea of Atkins. I’ve been using fiday to track my calories (amount and distribution).  I typically have about 2200 calories per day.  75% from fat, 22% protein and 3% carb.

That’s a lot of calories. Stay at home mom with a 3yr old and a 1yr old.  No formal excercise program, yet.

Chasing the kids is exercise.

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Hi Amy I’ve been lc-ing since Dec. 1st 2003.  Strictly counting carbs <20 net carbs per day.  Eating only meat, eggs, some cheese, some pecans, 2-3 cups salad/day(or 1 c. vegi’s).  Lots of mayo, ranch dressing, and butter. About 10 c. water per day and Atkins #3 basic supplement.  No coffee, booze (actually just stopped coffee [1 cup/day] today).

Apart from the advice others have already given, I want to ask if you drink diet sodas or something else with splenda, aspartame etc? They can stall some people, as coffee can, apparently. Good luck with the weighloss. Ina 213/172/154 since 8/15/03 www.skreee.de

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says… I’ve been lc-ing since Dec. 1st 2003. If you’re on Atkins that’s Induction.  You should not have stepped on the scale at all yet.

Where do you get that?  I’m pretty sure it’s not part of the Rules of Induction.   The timetable for stepping on the scale is up to the individual.  I’ve stepped on the scale every single day since starting this WOE.   — Saffire 205/179/125 Atkins since 6/14/03 Progress photo:  http://photos.yahoo.com/saffire333

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I’ve been lc-ing since Dec. 1st 2003. If you’re on Atkins that’s Induction.  You should not have stepped on the scale at all yet. Where do you get that?  I’m pretty sure it’s not part of the Rules of Induction.

Dr A does mention avoiding the scale in at least one edition, but I got it from reading many posts each and every day from newbies who have made that mistake and freaked out. The timetable for stepping on the scale is up to the individual.

The the chances of getting discouraged and quitting is up to the individual.  Stepping on the scale causes more people to quit than any other factor.  I have no way to prove that; it’s just an educated guess on my part.  But I can’t count the number of people over the years who have stepped onto the scale far too enough, given themselves unrealistic expectations or gotten unrealistic expectations because they don’t know how to tell (water + fat) loss diring Induction from (fat only) loss later, and quit. I’ve stepped on the scale every single day since starting this WOE.

Did you also step on the scale daily before you started?  If so that’s fine.  Newbies should be told to step on the scale with the same frequency they did before starting.  Any more often leads to unfounded emtional trauma like this thread.  Don’t step on the scale, don’t create trauma, very simple equation. I understand few will be able to resist weekly weighings, but often it takes advice that is exaggerated to get through to folks.  No good ever comes from weighings during Induction.  Much harm comes from stepping on the scale during Induction.

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I’ve been using fiday to track my calories (amount and distribution).  I typically have about 2200 calories per day.  75% from fat, 22% protein and 3% carb.

You’d have to be eating probably almost 1000 calories less than that before you’d have to worry about "going too low."  Your height and body structure come into play too, but dropping 500 calories isn’t going to put you into starvation mode.  

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Amy, A couple things spring to mind, most of them having to do with female hormones. Is it possible that you have PCOS? Women with polycystic ovary syndrome may not lose weight on a low carb diet (or any diet) without the help of a medication that reduces insulin resistance. Is it possible that you are about to get your period? This can also stop apparent weight loss for many women because they gain water weight in the weeks before the period. Are you on progesterone supplements (birth control pills, shots?) These can make weight loss very tough. Are you measuring portions to make sure that the portions you are entering in fitday really are the size you think they are.  An ounce of cheese is not much cheese, ditto with nuts, so you might be eating more than you think. Contrary to what others wrote, I don’t think 2200 calories is too low for your current weight if that’s what your currently eating. That’s a little less than 10 times your current body weight and you really don’t want to start out lower than that if you can help it. — Jenny Cut the carbs to respond to my new email address! New photo: http://www.geocities.com/jenny_the_bean/jennypics.htm Weight: 168.5/137 Diabetes Type II diagnosed 8/1998 – HBa1c 5.2 10/03 Low Carb 9/1998 – 8/2001 and 11/10/02 – Now http://www.geocities.com/jenny_the_bean How to calculate your need for protein * How much people really lose each month *  Water Weight Gain & Loss * The "Two Gram Cure" for Hunger Cravings * Characteristics of Successful Dieters * Indispensible Low Carb Treats * Should You Count that Low Impact Carb? * Curing Ketobreath * Exercise Starting from Zero *  Do Starch Blockers Work? * NEW! Why the Low Carb Diet is Great for Diabetes  * NEW!  Low Carb Strategies for People with Diabetes

– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – Hi, I’ve been lc-ing since Dec. 1st 2003.  Strictly counting carbs <20 net carbs per day.  Eating only meat, eggs, some cheese, some pecans, 2-3 cups salad/day(or 1 c. vegi’s).  Lots of mayo, ranch dressing, and butter. About 10 c. water per day and Atkins #3 basic supplement.  No coffee, booze (actually just stopped coffee [1 cup/day] today). I’ve been using fiday to track my calories (amount and distribution).  I typically have about 2200 calories per day.  75% from fat, 22% protein and 3% carb. Stay at home mom with a 3yr old and a 1yr old.  No formal excercise program, yet. My problem is that the scale really hasn’t budged.  238/238/180. Anybody know what could be going on? Would really appreciate some feedback. Thank you, Amy 238/238/180

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for a night time snack, have a bowl of sugarfree, and carb free jello. I get mine at WalMart in their Great Value brand.   ….jenna

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for a night time snack, have a bowl of sugarfree, and carb free jello. I get mine at WalMart in their Great Value brand.

Be aware that sugar free jello PUDDING still has carbs (cornstarch used to thicken it). The gelatine is carb free. — revek aliterate (adjective): able to read but unwilling to do so

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Hey Doug,  Thanks for the posts. Yes I admit I do step on too often.  My weight fluctuates 2lbs in a day (morning or night).  I guess I need that positive reinforcement.  Also want to make sure I’m not gaining, which I’m not. My plan now is to stay on induction for at least another week.  I am getting encouraging results:  I’m down to about 235 (238/235/180). I have heeded everyone’s advice and cut out coffee, nuts, cheese, bacon, nitrite-laden lunchmeats, artificial sweeteners. Thanks, Amy 238/235/180  12/01/03

– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – I’ve been lc-ing since Dec. 1st 2003. If you’re on Atkins that’s Induction.  You should not have stepped on the scale at all yet. Strictly counting carbs <20 net carbs per day. If you’re on Atkins move on to OWL.  A fair number don’t lose with carbs that low.  Less is not more, that’s the single most important idea of Atkins. I’ve been using fiday to track my calories (amount and distribution).  I typically have about 2200 calories per day.  75% from fat, 22% protein and 3% carb. That’s a lot of calories. Stay at home mom with a 3yr old and a 1yr old.  No formal excercise program, yet. Chasing the kids is exercise.

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says… The timetable for stepping on the scale is up to the individual. The the chances of getting discouraged and quitting is up to the individual.  Stepping on the scale causes more people to quit than any other factor.  I have no way to prove that; it’s just an educated guess

My weight has fluctuated quite a bit over the last 6 months, partly due to hormones (and I’m not just talking every 28 days).  Typically, even if I’ve lost a couple of lbs, over the course of the next week it might go back up 2-3 lbs, then settle back to the lower weight — this could take 10 days.  If I didn’t see the lower weight, I might not think I lost anything at ALL and that WOULD discourage me.   I’ve stepped on the scale every single day since starting this WOE. Did you also step on the scale daily before you started?  If so that’s fine.  Newbies should be told to step on the scale with the same frequency they did before starting.  Any more often leads to unfounded emtional trauma like this thread.  Don’t step on the scale, don’t create trauma, very simple equation.

What if they NEVER stepped on the scale before starting this WOE because they didn’t want to know?  That was my usual MO whenever my weight has been high.   When my weight is down, I tend to weigh more frequently.   I understand few will be able to resist weekly weighings, but often it takes advice that is exaggerated to get through to folks.  No good ever comes from weighings during Induction.  Much harm comes from stepping on the scale during Induction.

True — it depends on the person.  But back to the main point, there is no RULE that you must NOT step on the scale during induction, and people shouldn’t be chastised for doing so as if they’re doing something wrong.  It’s advice that may or may not be heeded, but it’s only ADVICE.   — Saffire 205/179/125 Atkins since 6/14/03 Progress photo:  http://photos.yahoo.com/saffire333

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Just am afraid of going too low.  If I cut out 2-3 oz of roasted pecans a day that saves me alot of calories right there.  Unfourtunatley, they were my late nite munchies.  Guess I’ll have to grab the celery, instead. Thanx again A – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – Hi, I’ve been lc-ing since Dec. 1st 2003.  Strictly counting carbs <20 net carbs per day.  Eating only meat, eggs, some cheese, some pecans, 2-3 cups salad/day(or 1 c. vegi’s).  Lots of mayo, ranch dressing, and butter. About 10 c. water per day and Atkins #3 basic supplement.  No coffee, booze (actually just stopped coffee [1 cup/day] today). I’ve been using fiday to track my calories (amount and distribution).  I typically have about 2200 calories per day.  75% from fat, 22% protein and 3% carb. Stay at home mom with a 3yr old and a 1yr old.  No formal excercise program, yet. My problem is that the scale really hasn’t budged.  238/238/180. Anybody know what could be going on? Would really appreciate some feedback. sounds like too many calories to me.  try knocking two or three hundred of them a day off, or start exercising.  or both.  both would be better.

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Or just skip the late-night munchies all together. You can do it, I did.   At first it was hard, but it feels kind of triumphant to just go to bed without eating anything after dinner.   – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – Just am afraid of going too low.  If I cut out 2-3 oz of roasted pecans a day that saves me alot of calories right there.  Unfourtunatley, they were my late nite munchies.  Guess I’ll have to grab the celery, instead. Thanx again A Hi, I’ve been lc-ing since Dec. 1st 2003.  Strictly counting carbs <20 net carbs per day.  Eating only meat, eggs, some cheese, some pecans, 2-3 cups salad/day(or 1 c. vegi’s).  Lots of mayo, ranch dressing, and butter. About 10 c. water per day and Atkins #3 basic supplement.  No coffee, booze (actually just stopped coffee [1 cup/day] today). I’ve been using fiday to track my calories (amount and distribution).  I typically have about 2200 calories per day.  75% from fat, 22% protein and 3% carb. Stay at home mom with a 3yr old and a 1yr old.  No formal excercise program, yet. My problem is that the scale really hasn’t budged.  238/238/180. Anybody know what could be going on? Would really appreciate some feedback. sounds like too many calories to me.  try knocking two or three hundred of them a day off, or start exercising.  or both.  both would be better.

– -Michelle Levin (Luna) http://www.mindspring.com/~lunachick http://www.mindspring.com/~designbyluna

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Or just skip the late-night munchies all together. You can do it, I did.   At first it was hard, but it feels kind of triumphant to just go to bed without eating anything after dinner.   triumphant and I also sleep better. night time eating was a big diet buster for me… i

I sleep better too! Sometimes it takes me a bit longer to fall asleep if I’m a little hungry, but sleeping on a full (or stuffed) stomach meant I’d get some rather disturbing dreams. I feel more refreshed when I wake up if I go to sleep 3 or 4 hours after my last meal. — -Michelle Levin (Luna) http://www.mindspring.com/~lunachick http://www.mindspring.com/~designbyluna

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I am trying to be realistic with my portions sizes.  (DH is getting me a scale for xmas.)

Ah, I think Jenny may have hit on it.  Any chance that your DH can be persuaded to give you your present early? One of the very early things I learned on this WOE is that my eyes and my scale tell a very different story as far as portion size goes.  In the beginning I ate far, far too little salad (when I weighed what looked like a reasonable portion of salad, it turned out to be 150g or 160g rather than 200g) and other vegetables and way too much meat (what I would have sworn was 200g turned out to be 300g or even more).  More than six months in, I still have to weigh both meat and vegetables and still can’t rely on judging by eye. One day that may come, but it hasn’t yet. — Lexin www.redrosepress.co.uk www.livejournal.com/~lexin LC since 9 June 2003 (300/242/182)

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Hey Jenny, thanks! Great website you have, BTW.. I have cut out cheese and nuts (since yesterday).  I’m not at that time of month, and I am not on the pill.  I am trying to be realistic with my portions sizes.  (DH is getting me a scale for xmas.) PCOS, I don’t think so. Thank you for you input.  I’m hanging in.  ;) Amy 238/238/180    12/01/03

– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – Amy, A couple things spring to mind, most of them having to do with female hormones. Is it possible that you have PCOS? Women with polycystic ovary syndrome may not lose weight on a low carb diet (or any diet) without the help of a medication that reduces insulin resistance. Is it possible that you are about to get your period? This can also stop apparent weight loss for many women because they gain water weight in the weeks before the period. Are you on progesterone supplements (birth control pills, shots?) These can make weight loss very tough. Are you measuring portions to make sure that the portions you are entering in fitday really are the size you think they are.  An ounce of cheese is not much cheese, ditto with nuts, so you might be eating more than you think. Contrary to what others wrote, I don’t think 2200 calories is too low for your current weight if that’s what your currently eating. That’s a little less than 10 times your current body weight and you really don’t want to start out lower than that if you can help it. — Jenny Cut the carbs to respond to my new email address! New photo: http://www.geocities.com/jenny_the_bean/jennypics.htm Weight: 168.5/137 Diabetes Type II diagnosed 8/1998 – HBa1c 5.2 10/03 Low Carb 9/1998 – 8/2001 and 11/10/02 – Now http://www.geocities.com/jenny_the_bean How to calculate your need for protein * How much people really lose each month *  Water Weight Gain & Loss * The "Two Gram Cure" for Hunger Cravings * Characteristics of Successful Dieters * Indispensible Low Carb Treats * Should You Count that Low Impact Carb? * Curing Ketobreath * Exercise Starting from Zero *  Do Starch Blockers Work? * NEW! Why the Low Carb Diet is Great for Diabetes  * NEW!  Low Carb Strategies for People with Diabetes Hi, I’ve been lc-ing since Dec. 1st 2003.  Strictly counting carbs <20 net carbs per day.  Eating only meat, eggs, some cheese, some pecans, 2-3 cups salad/day(or 1 c. vegi’s).  Lots of mayo, ranch dressing, and butter. About 10 c. water per day and Atkins #3 basic supplement.  No coffee, booze (actually just stopped coffee [1 cup/day] today). I’ve been using fiday to track my calories (amount and distribution).  I typically have about 2200 calories per day.  75% from fat, 22% protein and 3% carb. Stay at home mom with a 3yr old and a 1yr old.  No formal excercise program, yet. My problem is that the scale really hasn’t budged.  238/238/180. Anybody know what could be going on? Would really appreciate some feedback. Thank you, Amy 238/238/180

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Just am afraid of going too low.  If I cut out 2-3 oz of roasted pecans a day that saves me alot of calories right there.  Unfourtunatley, they were my late nite munchies.  Guess I’ll have to grab the celery, instead.

you could go as low as 1800 calories a day and it wouldn’t be too low. you can eat quite a bit of food for 1800/day, too – especially if you like veggies.   hang in there, Amy.  sometimes it takes a bit of tweaking to get the diet into place.  

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Thank you! I have been (last couple of days), having more salad and celery and cukes. (With plenty of ranch).  I’m hangin’ in for the moment.  I will not be easily discouraged. Thanks again, Amy 238/238/180    12/01/03 – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – Just am afraid of going too low.  If I cut out 2-3 oz of roasted pecans a day that saves me alot of calories right there.  Unfourtunatley, they were my late nite munchies.  Guess I’ll have to grab the celery, instead. you could go as low as 1800 calories a day and it wouldn’t be too low. you can eat quite a bit of food for 1800/day, too – especially if you like veggies. hang in there, Amy.  sometimes it takes a bit of tweaking to get the diet into place.

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Hi, I’ve been lc-ing since Dec. 1st 2003.  Strictly counting carbs <20 net carbs per day.  Eating only meat, eggs, some cheese, some pecans, 2-3 cups salad/day(or 1 c. vegi’s).  Lots of mayo, ranch dressing, and butter. About 10 c. water per day and Atkins #3 basic supplement.  No coffee, booze (actually just stopped coffee [1 cup/day] today). I’ve been using fiday to track my calories (amount and distribution).  I typically have about 2200 calories per day.  75% from fat, 22% protein and 3% carb. Stay at home mom with a 3yr old and a 1yr old.  No formal excercise program, yet. My problem is that the scale really hasn’t budged.  238/238/180. Anybody know what could be going on? Would really appreciate some feedback. Thank you, Amy 238/238/180

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:: I’ve been using fiday to track my calories (amount and :: distribution).  I typically have about 2200 calories per day.  75% :: from fat, 22% protein and 3% carb. :: :: Stay at home mom with a 3yr old and a 1yr old.  No formal excercise :: program, yet. :: :: My problem is that the scale really hasn’t budged.  238/238/180. :: :: Anybody know what could be going on? :: :: Would really appreciate some feedback. What Queen said…..adjust down until the scales start moving.  Try some formal exercise, if possible.  But if you can’t, just eat less.

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- Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – Hi, I’ve been lc-ing since Dec. 1st 2003.  Strictly counting carbs <20 net carbs per day.  Eating only meat, eggs, some cheese, some pecans, 2-3 cups salad/day(or 1 c. vegi’s).  Lots of mayo, ranch dressing, and butter. About 10 c. water per day and Atkins #3 basic supplement.  No coffee, booze (actually just stopped coffee [1 cup/day] today). I’ve been using fiday to track my calories (amount and distribution).  I typically have about 2200 calories per day.  75% from fat, 22% protein and 3% carb. Stay at home mom with a 3yr old and a 1yr old.  No formal excercise program, yet. My problem is that the scale really hasn’t budged.  238/238/180. Anybody know what could be going on? Would really appreciate some feedback.

sounds like too many calories to me.  try knocking two or three hundred of them a day off, or start exercising.  or both.  both would be better.

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Hi Stacy, I have PCOS as well and my symptoms pretty much disappear when I am low-carbing. It’s amazing how a little bit of weight gain/loss has such a drastic effect on PCOS symptoms. Yet another reason for me to start Atkins again! Meg

– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – After 15 years I went to the doctor and found out I had diabetes, pcos (bleeding), gallstones, fatty liver… etc., etc. Oh yeah and I am also morbidly obese which I already knew.  I did the Atkins diet for 3 weeks… lost 10 lb…… felt great… stopped bleeding and my blood sugar was down in the normal range…. Man, I was on my way… AND THEN I went and spent a week with my sister who is also obese.  She does Low-fat dieting and gets all this super expensive food with all the fat taken out.  Well I am a nice person and didn’t want to cause waves so I did her low-fat stuff for a week. BIG MISTAKE!  I gained back 6 lb., started bleeding again and my blood sugar went through the roof. So now I am back home with all my eggs, sausages, meats and salads and basically having to start all over again. But I learned my lesson…. low-fat does not work for me. Stacy p.s. thanks to those who recommended fitday.com!  Tried it and love it. Works great.

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I have PCOS as well and my symptoms pretty much disappear when I am low-carbing. It’s amazing how a little bit of weight gain/loss has such a drastic effect on PCOS symptoms. Yet another reason for me to start Atkins again!

I also have PCOS and started Atkins June 30. How long time have you been low carbing before the positive change in your PCOS if i may ask? — Kathrine —

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I also have PCOS

Sorry to sound ignorant, but what is PCOS? — Lexin www.redrosepress.co.uk www.livejournal.com/~lexin (300/280/182)

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Sorry to sound ignorant, but what is PCOS?

PolyCystic Ovary Syndrome — Kathrine —

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I also have PCOS Sorry to sound ignorant, but what is PCOS? — Lexin www.redrosepress.co.uk www.livejournal.com/~lexin (300/280/182)

Polycystic Ovarian/Ovaries Syndrome http://www.pcos.net/whatis.html Chris

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I have PCOS as well and my symptoms pretty much disappear when I am low-carbing. It’s amazing how a little bit of weight gain/loss has such a drastic effect on PCOS symptoms. Yet another reason for me to start Atkins again! I also have PCOS and started Atkins June 30. How long time have you been low carbing before the positive change in your PCOS if i may ask? — Kathrine

Well after I lost about 10-15 lbs, the acne went away and I stopped feeling so moody. The nasty hot-flashes stopped as well. I’m on The Pill (Dianette) now so I have no idea if I would menstruate regularly or not. Meg

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– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – After 15 years I went to the doctor and found out I had diabetes, pcos (bleeding), gallstones, fatty liver… etc., etc. Oh yeah and I am also morbidly obese which I already knew.  I did the Atkins diet for 3 weeks… lost 10 lb…… felt great… stopped bleeding and my blood sugar was down in the normal range…. Man, I was on my way… AND THEN I went and spent a week with my sister who is also obese.  She does Low-fat dieting and gets all this super expensive food with all the fat taken out.  Well I am a nice person and didn’t want to cause waves so I did her low-fat stuff for a week. BIG MISTAKE!  I gained back 6 lb., started bleeding again and my blood sugar went through the roof. So now I am back home with all my eggs, sausages, meats and salads and basically having to start all over again. But I learned my lesson…. low-fat does not work for me. Stacy p.s. thanks to those who recommended fitday.com!  Tried it and love it. Works great.

If she’s really lucky, she’ll come and stay with you for a week having the same attitude of ‘not wanting to be difficult’ and discover for herself the joy of LC!

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After 15 years I went to the doctor and found out I had diabetes, pcos (bleeding), gallstones, fatty liver… etc., etc. Oh yeah and I am also morbidly obese which I already knew.  I did the Atkins diet for 3 weeks… lost 10 lb…… felt great… stopped bleeding and my blood sugar was down in the normal range…. Man, I was on my way… AND THEN I went and spent a week with my sister who is also obese.  She does Low-fat dieting and gets all this super expensive food with all the fat taken out.  Well I am a nice person and didn’t want to cause waves so I did her low-fat stuff for a week. BIG MISTAKE!  I gained back 6 lb., started bleeding again and my blood sugar went through the roof. So now I am back home with all my eggs, sausages, meats and salads and basically having to start all over again. But I learned my lesson…. low-fat does not work for me. Stacy p.s. thanks to those who recommended fitday.com!  Tried it and love it. Works great.

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Has anybody experienced hair loss on the Atkin’s diet(induction level)?

As I have PCOS, I’ve noticed less hairloss while LC’ing, no more clogged drains and full brushes.

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This is from a back issue of The Low Carb Luxury Newsletter, Volume III Issue 06 :: April 3, 2002 – http://www.lowcarbluxury.com "Q – I have been eating low carb for about 3 months. For the last month or so, I have been noticing extreme hair loss. Have you ever heard of hair loss being associated with a low-carb lifestyle? I am really getting quite worried because I can’t figure out what’s causing this. A – What you describe is called "Telogen Effluvium". The good news is, it’s normal in about 10-15% of dieters. The better news is, it’s temporary. Telogen effluvium is when a stress (such as dieting/weight change) causes noticeable shedding of hair after the stressful event. The hair loss is always delayed, usually 3-4 months after the "stressful event". The event can be a physical stress such as an illness (especially with a fever), sudden weight changes (the most common), or a major surgical procedure. Sudden severe emotional stress can also trigger telogen effluvium, including the death of a loved one, a divorce, or a job termination. It’s all about something called "Transition to Resting Phase". In telogen effluvium, the stressful event causes a high proportion of hair follicles to halt their growth phase prematurely, and to begin a transition to the resting phase at the same time. 3-4 months after the stressful event, a high proportion of follicles shed their hairs all at about the same time, as they prepare for a new cycle of growth. The confusion comes in here — What triggers the hair loss begins 3-4 months before the loss of the hair actually occurs. Usually, the person losing hair has recovered from the event (or stabilized from the weight change or dietary change), and then they start shedding their hair in clumps! The condition is almost always temporary, and new hairs soon grow back in. Within a few more months the normal random cycle of hair follicle growth and rest resumes. Usually telogen effluvium results in random hair loss from all over the scalp. Often the effect is not noticeable to others, although seeing the increased quantities of shed hairs is disturbing to their owner. Treatment for telogen effluvium includes waiting for the new hairs to grow in, and styling to give a fuller look in the meantime. Rest assured this phenomenon is not restricted to low-carbing, and in fact because our diet is high in protein, we often recover more quickly. Make sure your diet is TRULY TOTALLY sugar free. Sugar greatly exacerbates the condition. It also helps to do the following: * Up your protein by 15% each day over whatever levels you’ve been eating. * Make SURE you are taking in at least 1500 calories per day. * Drink LOTS of water. 64 ounces is a minimum per day. * Take your supplements! At a minimum, you should be taking: * A good multivitamin with NO iron * CoEnzyme Q10 – 75-150 mg per day. * Acetyl L-Carnitine – 1000 mg per day * A good Essential Fatty Acids supplement if you don’t eat some form of salmon, tuna, or olive oil every day." — Tara 264.5/161/154 Atkins since 10 July 2001 – New Zealand www.dazzled.com/lowcarb – my homepage

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 Has anybody experienced hair loss on the Atkin’s diet(induction level)?

From http://atkinscenter.com/helpatkins/faqs/faqhealth/index.html: —quote— I’ve noticed some hair loss while I’ve been doing Atkins. Is this a result of my new eating habits? What can I do? It is natural to go through periodic phases of shedding hair. But if this is an ongoing problem, make sure you’re not restricting calories or skipping meals. Any weight-loss regimen may lower your metabolic rate, which can result in hair loss. Unlike calorie-restricted diets, Atkins is the least likely of any weight-loss program to contribute to hair loss because the higher caloric content keeps the body from behaving as though it is in a starvation mode. When that happens, your metabolism is lowered as a survival mechanism. Alternatively, you might be low in some specific nutrients that could affect your hair loss. You might try adding biotin, N-acetyl-cysteine (NAC), glutathione and lecithin to your diet. If excessive hair loss occurs, see your doctor. —end quote— — Jon 312/267/220, Atkins since 10/12/02 http://www10.brinkster.com/mundsack/jondiet.asp

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 Has anybody experienced hair loss on the Atkin’s diet(induction level)?

On a low energy diet I lost much of my facial hair. After the weight came back (with interest) so did the hair, but it was thinner and gray. I have not noticed hair loss on low carb.

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Jamie, That’s interesting. I lost my hair after having the two not-so-minor and very painful sugeries this past September. <hmmmm — Jenny 168.5/150.0/150 First Goal  REACHED –  Restarted 11/10/02 5′3"  Age 54 Type II Diabetic

– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text –  Has anybody experienced hair loss on the Atkin’s diet(induction level)? Any big change in diet can cause a stress reaction that makes you lose hair for several weeks.  So can severe work stress, a breakup or separation, or an accident or surgery. Any time I had even minor surgery, I lost nearly 1/3 of my hair over the next several weeks, judging from the thickness of my ponytail. —   "There’s a seeker born every minute."

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Has anybody experienced hair loss on the Atkin’s diet(induction level)?

Good Lord, NO!  In fact my hair grows faster than ever…with lots of shine. Fats do that. As well as the vitamins I take.  And no more itchy scalp. Jan

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I experienced a lot of hair loss when I was using a prescription carb blocker and not taking supplements. When I started low carbing and taking a handful of supplements every day, it stopped. It might be a B vitamin deficiency. — Jenny 168.5/150.0/150 First Goal  REACHED –  Restarted 11/10/02 5′3"  Age 54 Type II Diabetes – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text –  Has anybody experienced hair loss on the Atkin’s diet(induction level)?

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Hair loss is also associated with polycystic ovary syndrome (PCOS) which is associated with insulin resistance.  I know people who have actually regained lost hair (men and women) after going on LC.

Yep, I’ve stopped losing hair since being on a LC WOL. My hair was falling out in chunks daily  and thinning beyond belief prior to my discovery of PCOS and consequently beginning Atkins. Thank goodness for LCing or I might be a bald 25 year old!! EEEEK! Erika RollerGirl www.cued-up.com

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My hubby is regaining some lost hair, lc since  11-2002. – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – Has anybody experienced hair loss on the Atkin’s diet(induction level)?

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Has anybody experienced hair loss on the Atkin’s diet(induction level)?

I thought that was a side effect of very low calorie dieting. Are you eating enough and getting enough protein and vitamins/minerals? Drinking enough water? Getting enough good oils? My hair is thicker and shinier than ever, and grows faster. My nails are stronger and grow faster too. .. Bridget M. Atkins maintenance for life.

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 Has anybody experienced hair loss on the Atkin’s diet(induction level)?

Any big change in diet can cause a stress reaction that makes you lose hair for several weeks.  So can severe work stress, a breakup or separation, or an accident or surgery.   Any time I had even minor surgery, I lost nearly 1/3 of my hair over the next several weeks, judging from the thickness of my ponytail. —                 "There’s a seeker born every minute."

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 Has anybody experienced hair loss on the Atkin’s diet(induction level)?

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 Has anybody experienced hair loss on the Atkin’s diet(induction level)?

I did.  Quite a lot.  But there were probably reason for that not specifically tied to low-carbing. Reb

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 Has anybody experienced hair loss on the Atkin’s diet(induction level)? I did.  Quite a lot.  But there were probably reason for that not specifically tied to low-carbing.

AFAIK it is associated with low-carb, but cases are a bit thin on the ground. So to speak. Greg

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 Has anybody experienced hair loss on the Atkin’s diet(induction level)? I did.  Quite a lot.  But there were probably reason for that not specifically tied to low-carbing.

AFAIK it is associated with low-carb, but cases are a bit thin on the ground..  Well, I’d rather be 15 pounds over-weight then slim and bald. Pizza and beer time! Mmmmm, crust!!!

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Hair loss is also associated with polycystic ovary syndrome (PCOS) which is associated with insulin resistance.  I know people who have actually regained lost hair (men and women) after going on LC. YMMV, of course. Bobbie

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I think you need to go to the AndroGel website (http://www.androgel.com/) and read the information posted there.  You are NOT to shower for 5 to 6 hours.  Using a washcloth after an hour might be limiting AndroGel’s absorbtion.  What is wrong with just slipping a T-shirt on?  Good luck.

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Thanks for all the responses. Whether or not the small amount of t-gel could have contaminated her enough to cause acne and facial hair is debatable. But in any case, I am going to be much more careful in the future, not have sex until at least an hour after, and if we do have sex only an hour after, I’ll wash off where the gel was. (Better less absorption of my gel than contaminating her…) I don’t think I need the gel for sex drive or function (though it does seem to increase these), I basically take it more for depression…

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If you are using AndroGel, I believe the instruction sheet says no contact for at least one hour or you should wear a shirt.  One of the tests they did was having couples make skin contact for fifteen minutes after application and it raised the females T level to twice the normal.

Thanks for the info. I have begun taking more precautions. I am sure that is what did it, although my stupid doctor shrugged and said, "I’m sure that’s not it!" I thought I had read something about 10-15 minutes wait after putting it on. But in any case, from now on I’m waiting at least an  hour and then washing my skin off with a washrag that only I use. I’m sure I surely contaminated her. BUT would a few exposures to the tgel have caused her to break out with acne which lasted over 2 months? Would it have any lasting effects? How long before she would no longer be affected by it, assuming I am careful and do not contaminate her any more?

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I’m sure I surely contaminated her. BUT would a few exposures to the tgel have caused her to break out with acne which lasted over 2 months?

Seems unlikely to me. C//

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I am not a Dr. but I have research alot on all this hormone stuff.  I have read ligitimate studies where DHEA was taken in higher doses to see if it helped Hypogonadic men.  Studies also were done on women. DHEA happens to be  a pre-curser to BOTH Testosterone and Estrogen. While it  *may* raise the Testsosteronmein men, it eventaully will convert to Estrogen, and thats BAD. The feamale study revealed that on as little as 100mg of DHEA daily, it raised the women’s Testosterone enoght that they began to get hair on their body where not normal..  i.e. upper lip and a few on the face, their hair grew faster, longer than ever before. Mind you, no really haiory chests like us.  But it was enough to stop the test, and put out a warning. It was noted that the hair growth, once started never went away, it slowed, but it was still there, in a quantity greater than these women ever had. IMO the AndrGel on your body, during contact with your wife over multiple times, OVER TIME,  did in fact start the same process.  I’m looking at the T. ranges for my just completed test now… males 132-813… females are from 2.6 -12.1 or .8 to 15.5, or 27.3 to 96.9 – depending on their monthly cycle. The amount of AndroGel that could have repeatedly rubbed off onto her could have been significant.  Assuming sex a couple times a week, and normal hugs, cudles,  you porbably raised her Testosterone enough. Another thought…  think back – maybe 1-3 weeks after you started the AndroGel, did she seem to be more receptive to you…  i.e. horny? Think about it, rubbing maybe a few grams of T into her body 2-4 times a week…  doesn’t take much to get her close to what a pre-puberty teen male might be.  That is the age we seem to start the lip hair. Remember, the rubbed in T. was in addition to her own which may be on the high end too.  She should have her T. tested. Mike

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If you are using AndroGel, I believe the instruction sheet says no contact for at least one hour or you should wear a shirt.  One of the tests they did was having couples make skin contact for fifteen minutes after application and it raised the females T level to twice the normal.

– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – I realize this is off-topic, but since some of you know so much about hormones in males, I was wondering if anyone here might know something about female hormones as well (in women)? Here’s the deal: My wife suddenly began to grow a bit of hair on her upper lip (by no means a full moustache, but enough to be visible and unwelcome). And at the same time, broke out in acne around her mouth and cheeks. I had the doctor do a hormone panel on her, but I don’t really think he did all the right tests. And then he said "She’s fine." So here’s her results, if you can tell me anything from this: estradiol – 108 Shouldn’t he have checked for free testosterone? If there were an imbalance wouldn’t it be more likely to show up as a surplus of testosterone? (I’m very dumb about all this stuff? Am I wrong to suggest that she may have too much t and that this is the cause of the acne and hair growth?) One reason I’m concerned is that I use t-gel every day. However, I am VERY careful with it, following the instructions to the letter; she doesn’t ever touch me for at least 15-20 minutes or more after the t, and even that is rare. I wash my hands thoroughly after application, and she knows not to touch the discarded packets. Can anyone shed any light on this? What might cause an increase in acne and facial hair in a woman? What should the doctor have checked for? He checked a whole slew of things, but I don’t see any other hormone related stuff.[ He checked cortisol (8.6), glucose, sodium, potassium, chloride, bun, creatinine, uric acid, magnesium, albumin, globulin, cholesterol (all), etc...]

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What is SBGH?

It’s SHBG (my mistake).  It stands for Sex Hormone Binding Globulin. It’s a hormone that T binds to in men.  The T that’s bound to SHBG is in the Total T count, but not the free T count. Should it have been on the blood analysis in your opinion?

No, I don’t think so. So I should put the t-gel on myself at least an hour before any physical contact.

Yes.  And to be extra safe, wipe off the residue with a washcloth before any physical contact. Thank you for the info and reinforcement of what I already thought

You’re welcome. Sometimes I think this doctor says no to anything I suggest JUST BECAUSE I suggest it!

Yes, unfortunately that’s par for the course.  I’m sure it goes over fine with the folks that say "I don’t want to know all the gory details about what’s wrong with me, doc. Just give me the pill to take and I’ll take it."  And that may account for the majority of the folks that your doctor sees.  - David If the only tool you have is a hammer, you tend to see every problem as a nail.   – A. Maslow

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Similar symptoms to PCOS (Polycystic Ovary Syndrome) although I’ve no idea whether it can come on suddenly – look it up and see what you think.

Good suggestion.  I understand that the new insulin sensitizers (Actos and Avandia) have been used to successfully treat PCOS.  Glucose intolerance results in excess insulin which interferes with estrogen and the menstrual cycle.  Bring the insulin down to normal and the PCOS goes away.  This means that proper nutrition and regular exercise should have the same result.  - David If the only tool you have is a hammer, you tend to see every problem as a nail.   – A. Maslow

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I realize this is off-topic…

Yes and no. So here’s her results, if you can tell me anything from this: estradiol – 108

Since you didn’t tell us her age, whether she’s pre- or postmenapausal, or the lab’s normal ranges, that number means absolutely nothing. Shouldn’t he have checked for free testosterone?

I don’t know for sure, but I don’t think so because I suspect that SBGH binds E in women and not T. If there were an imbalance wouldn’t it be more likely to show up as a surplus of testosterone?

Probably, given her facial hair. Am I wrong to suggest that she may have too much t and that this is the cause of the acne and hair growth?

I don’t think so.  Sounds reasonable to me. One reason I’m concerned is that I use t-gel every day. However, I am VERY careful with it, following the instructions to the letter; she doesn’t ever touch me for at least 15-20 minutes or more after the t, and even that is rare.

Depending upon the gel/cream, this stuff can linger above the skin for a lot longer than 20 minutes.  (I understand that gels absorb for up to an hour and creams for up to 3 hours.  And the residue may still be active after that time frame.)  My guess is that that’s the culprit.  It’s a fairly common thing for men on topical T to pass some on the their parnters.  And it doesn’t take much to have an effect.  - David If the only tool you have is a hammer, you tend to see every problem as a nail.   – A. Maslow

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Similar symptoms to PCOS (Polycystic Ovary Syndrome) although I’ve no idea whether it can come on suddenly – look it up and see what you think. D.

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So here’s her results, if you can tell me anything from this: estradiol – 108 Since you didn’t tell us her age, whether she’s pre- or postmenapausal, or the lab’s normal ranges, that number means absolutely nothing. Her age is 37. Shouldn’t he have checked for free testosterone? I don’t know for sure, but I don’t think so because I suspect that SBGH binds E in women and not T.

What is SBGH? Should it have been on the blood analysis in your opinion? Would it be listed as such if it were? – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – If there were an imbalance wouldn’t it be more likely to show up as a surplus of testosterone? Probably, given her facial hair. Am I wrong to suggest that she may have too much t and that this is the cause of the acne and hair growth? I don’t think so.  Sounds reasonable to me. One reason I’m concerned is that I use t-gel every day. However, I am VERY careful with it, following the instructions to the letter; she doesn’t ever touch me for at least 15-20 minutes or more after the t, and even that is rare. Depending upon the gel/cream, this stuff can linger above the skin for a lot longer than 20 minutes.  (I understand that gels absorb for up to an hour and creams for up to 3 hours.  And the residue may still be active after that time frame.)  My guess is that that’s the culprit.  It’s a fairly common thing for men on topical T to pass some on the their parnters.  And it doesn’t take much to have an effect.

I suspected that right from the start, and I asked the doctor about it and he dismissed it. Doctors are such jerks  (for the most part). I’ve got to get a new doctor. This guy sends me to check my t levels and only does Total T until I insist on FreeT. Then he sends me wife for a blood test after I told him the above re facial hair and acne and doesn’t even check her for T! Am I crazy, or is this bordering on malpractice? (And this guy teaches at UCLA!) (Not endo, but…) So I should put the t-gel on myself at least an hour before any physical contact. Thank you for the info and reinforcement of what I already thought (but the doctor dismissed). Sometimes I think this doctor says no to anything I suggest JUST BECAUSE I suggest it! – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – - David If the only tool you have is a hammer, you tend to see every problem as a nail.   – A. Maslow

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I realize this is off-topic, but since some of you know so much about hormones in males, I was wondering if anyone here might know something about female hormones as well (in women)? Here’s the deal: My wife suddenly began to grow a bit of hair on her upper lip (by no means a full moustache, but enough to be visible and unwelcome). And at the same time, broke out in acne around her mouth and cheeks. I had the doctor do a hormone panel on her, but I don’t really think he did all the right tests. And then he said "She’s fine." So here’s her results, if you can tell me anything from this: estradiol – 108 Shouldn’t he have checked for free testosterone? If there were an imbalance wouldn’t it be more likely to show up as a surplus of testosterone? (I’m very dumb about all this stuff? Am I wrong to suggest that she may have too much t and that this is the cause of the acne and hair growth?) One reason I’m concerned is that I use t-gel every day. However, I am VERY careful with it, following the instructions to the letter; she doesn’t ever touch me for at least 15-20 minutes or more after the t, and even that is rare. I wash my hands thoroughly after application, and she knows not to touch the discarded packets. Can anyone shed any light on this? What might cause an increase in acne and facial hair in a woman? What should the doctor have checked for? He checked a whole slew of things, but I don’t see any other hormone related stuff.[ He checked cortisol (8.6), glucose, sodium, potassium, chloride, bun, creatinine, uric acid, magnesium, albumin, globulin, cholesterol (all), etc...]

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  I have PCO and have been TTC for 3 years.  We have done numerous treatments and tests.  We took clomid for 12 cycles 3 of those cycles with IUI.  We have taken pergonal with IUI several times and are currently on a 6 month break.

Hi Joni– What is your LH/FSH ratio?  If you have too much LH (due to PCO), you might be better off with an FSH-only ovulation drug, such as Follistim or Gonal-F, rather than the Pergonal which contains LH. Many REs don’t treat PCO patients with LH/FSH combo drugs for this reason.  I am PCO and my RE has always used Follistim with me. Good luck! Lisa B

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Joni, I can’t offer any help regarding med purchase, but I do have a concern/question… My RE will not prescribe spironolactone if I am trying to conceive and until I am finished having children.  (and even if she did, I wouldn’t take it) Since you are on a break, are you using birth control while on the spironolactone? -Kay

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I am taking the spironolactone twice a day every day to help control the hair growth associated with PCO.  I have been on it for about 3 months.  I have not started the birth control yet (I have to do a sunday start and I am not bleeding yetI just got the script on tuesday) I will start it soon.  I am to continue taking the glucophage and spironolactone while I am taking the borth control.  My doctor told me that both the spironolactone and the glucophage are ways of trying to help with the effects of PCO for women who wish to conceive.  I researched both before I started taking them and didnt see anything that would sway me not to take them. What would your concerns be with taking the spironolactone? Joni

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I have read this board for about 2 years now.  I am mostly a lurker but have posted the occasional question.  I have seen some very special ladies dreams of becoming pregnant come true along with the heartache they had to endure to get there during my time reading the board.  I have learned alot of valuable information here as well.  I have PCO and have been TTC for 3 years.  We have done numerous treatments and tests.  We took clomid for 12 cycles 3 of those cycles with IUI.  We have taken pergonal with IUI several times and are currently on a 6 month break.  I am taking three glucophage every day along with spironolactone twice a day. I have been on these drugs for six months.  I am not responding as well as I was hoping  to these treatments.  I *feel* better when taking the glucophage but it has not regulated my cycles.  I went to the dr on tuesday because I am having a full period every fifteen days.  He told me he didnt really know what else to do because I just dont resond to the treatments very well and he has tried everything he can think of.  He told me to take birth control to (hopefully) control the bleeding until we are ready to take the fertility drugs again. We are going to continue the glucophage and spironolactone while taking the birth control.  If the birthcontrol doesnt help  with the bleeding he wants to check for polyps.  We want to wait at least another three months before we start back on the fertility drugs again.  I have to take around 33 amps of pergonal per cycle which is about $2,000.00 for just the drugs every month let alone all the ultrasounds and dr visit copays and blood work.  So my question is for those of you who have bought fertility drugs from pharmacies in Mexico.  We are working on saving a good lump sum of money and flying to Mexico to get about a six month supply of pergonal because it is such a savings.  Buying it here will stretch out my finances about three months.  I am hoping and praying it will work the first try but hoping for the best and preparing for the worst just in case.  Does anyone have an idea of what kind of pricing I can get doing this so I will have an idea of  how much money I will need?  Does anyone have any suggestions on where the best place to go to make this purchase would be? Does anyone know of a good (accurate) way to research this?  Any advice or information you can give me will be extremely appreciated. Sorry this was so long. Thanks, Joni

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Thanks to everyone who replied to my post.  I knew I would find some helpful answers from this group.  I will definately check into the sugestions you have given. Joni

– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – What would your concerns be with taking the spironolactone? http://www.ivf-et.com/pcosstate.html "Anti-androgens This group of medications can be used only when not attempting a pregnancy or without some form of adequate birth control. There is, at least a theoretical, risk of feminizing the genitals of a male fetus. The value of the agents for PCOS patients is to improve the skin problems that occur with PCOS. None of these medications are approved for treatment of hirsutism or PCOS. Some may have potentially serious side effects. Examples are spironolactone (Aldactone), Flutamide, cyproterone acetate, and Finasteride."

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What would your concerns be with taking the spironolactone?

http://www.ivf-et.com/pcosstate.html "Anti-androgens This group of medications can be used only when not attempting a pregnancy or without some form of adequate birth control. There is, at least a theoretical, risk of feminizing the genitals of a male fetus. The value of the agents for PCOS patients is to improve the skin problems that occur with PCOS. None of these medications are approved for treatment of hirsutism or PCOS. Some may have potentially serious side effects. Examples are spironolactone (Aldactone), Flutamide, cyproterone acetate, and Finasteride."

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<<What would your concerns be with taking the spironolactone? http://www.merck.com/pubs/mmanual/section18/chapter235/235d.htm "For anovulatory women who have polycystic ovary syndrome, are hirsute, and *do  Spironolactone is a mild diuretic that inhibits the biosynthesis of androgens and competes with androgens for their receptors in target tissues. Doses of 100 to 200 mg/day po are effective. Adverse effects include initial diuresis, postural changes (eg, syncope, hypotension), mastodynia, and irregular uterine bleeding. Its long-term effects are unknown, as are its effects on a developing fetus; thus, contraception should be used."

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Dear Joni, I can’t help with the PCO. But you might want to look into buying your meds from this Italian pharmacy instead of going to Mexico. http://www.farmaciacerati.it/frameuk.html Good luck! Janet

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I’d suggest being checked for the polyps, for sure – maybe one of those laprascopies to see whether there are any problems inside. Beyond that, if you feel a lot better using the glucophage, I’d also suggest that you have all the possible tests for hypothyroid. I was having a lot of bleeding and my RE found that I was hypothyroid. After a month of being on Synthroid for the hypothyroidism the excess bleeding has stopped and I feel even better than I did when I was just taking glucophage. I’ve never cared for these doctors who go around putting women on birth control pills when their cycles are off.  All they’re doing is forcing the cycle by pumping hormones into you, without looking to see what the *real* problem is. Teri

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Teri, Thanks for the suggestions.  I am going to do some more research on polyps and possibly get back with my doctor before starting the birth control.  I have had my thyroid checked 3 times.  Once in 98 by a doctor I have since stopped seeing and twice by this doctor.  Once in 99 as part of the fertility workup and again this last august to be sure it hadnt changed as part of some of the bloodwork he did before starting me on the glucophage. I dont think my thyroid has changed since august.  Are there any other symptoms I could recognize to indicate it has? I  had a lap a year ago after I had a mc, but they couldnt find anything abnormal when it was performed. Do you know if there is any way to tell if there is a polyp without having an invasive procedure done?  Thanks again for the info and the speedy reply. Joni

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In response to Stephanie’s response…. Personally, I can’t stand Prometrium.  Gives me horrendous PMS, cramps and very little flow.  My RE is big into it, and won’t give me Provera, anymore.  :( I’m a big Provera fan, but rarely, the same thing happens as with Prometrium. Just my experience… -kay

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In article <ecJ36.3297$XY5.25254@insync>,   "Carrie Murphey" <cmurp…@helixnetworks.com> wrote: > Morning! > Can anyone recommend a good book about PCOS?   I’d like to educate myself a > little more.

 I purchased all 3 of these from Amazon.com 1. "PCOS: A Woman’s Guide to Dealing with Polycystic Ovary Syndrome" > By – Colette Harris & Adam Carey: Paperback; $14.40  (Available Now) > 2. "PCOS : The Hidden Epidemic" > By – Samuel S. Thatcher, Ph.D ; Hardcover; $24.95  (Available Now) > 3. "Living with PCOS" > by – Angela Best-Boss, et al; Paperback; $13.45 (Available Now)> > My second question is about the Provera I just finished.  I have been having > terrible cramps (bad back cramps) but not bleeding very much.  I am on day 2 > of my period.  Is this normal?

I was taking Provera for withdrawl bleeding every other month and had horrible cramping and told the doc I would not take it anymore and she then prescribed Prometrium it is a natural form of Progesterone taken orally, I take 4-100mg before bed for 10 nights every other month, bleeding for me is normal flow like my old natural period used to be and I don’t cramp at all taking the Prometrium.  But everyone is different my sister took provera and then prometrium and she could handle the provera better. Hope that helps. Stephanie Sent via Deja.com http://www.deja.com/

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Carrie Murphey <cmurp…@helixnetworks.com> wrote: > Morning! > My second question is about the Provera I just finished.  I have been having > terrible cramps (bad back cramps) but not bleeding very much.  I am on day 2 > of my period.  Is this normal?

A provera period is not, technically, a menstrual period.  It is simply withdrawal bleeding due to the removal of the external hormones.  If there isn’t much lining built up, you may not bleed very much. Naomi

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Morning! Can anyone recommend a good book about PCOS?   I’d like to educate myself a little more. My second question is about the Provera I just finished.  I have been having terrible cramps (bad back cramps) but not bleeding very much.  I am on day 2 of my period.  Is this normal? Thanks! Carrie

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Can’t help you with a book, sorry.  There is one, tho…..can’t remember the author; haven’t read it. <<… Provera I just finished.  I have been having terrible cramps (bad back cramps) but not bleeding very much.  I am on day 2 of my period.  Is this normal?>> Sometimes the same thing happens to me.  Not sure why, as there’s often no rhyme nor reason to it.  Sometimes I get light (sometimes it’s just spotty with mucus) but very crampy periods.  I swear, I’ve never had two periods alike, with it.  -Kay

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hehe, woops… shows how little i know about acupuncture… grin cool study… Sent via Deja.com http://www.deja.com/

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Hi Ladies, My mom said she saw something on the news (Philly area) about acupuncture treatments at Hahnemann for PCOS.  Apparently the woman in the story had the full range of PCOS symptoms, and was able to correct the problem; additionally she has had a child. Did anyone else see this program? I am unable to find any information on it or find a website.  I also don’t know what station it was on. (I know, big help I am…..) Thanks in advance. Jill

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Hi Jill, I don’t know anything about the News that you are talking about as I am in Louisiana but, after my experience with my doc the other day, I was driving home I saw a Acupuncture & Holistic Treatment Center. I have been thinking about calling them and see if they treat PCOS. I wonder what they charge? Has anyone here ever done acupuncture? After what my doc said to me the other day I am thinking about just trying it but not sure…Maybe I will call tomorrow…Will let you know what they say. tracy – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text -Jill wrote: > Hi Ladies, > My mom said she saw something on the news (Philly area) about acupuncture > treatments at Hahnemann for PCOS.  Apparently the woman in the story had the > full range of PCOS symptoms, and was able to correct the problem; additionally > she has had a child. > Did anyone else see this program? I am unable to find any information on it or > find a website.  I also don’t know what station it was on. (I know, big help I > am…..) > Thanks in advance. > Jill

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I tried conventional treatment, including 2550 met for 6 months.  It did not work for me.  I am now doing alternative treatment, which includes acupuncture.  I started it 3 months ago.  My lab work is improving and I feel better. The cost will be determined by the doctor.  Since my doctor doesnt just do acupuncture – I am having other treatments done as well – the cost reflects that.  Since the majority of the acupuncturist I know also do herbs, the cost of supplements need to be included. I am not trying to scare you with the price, but my doctor said to get the full treatment would take 40 visits.  Depending on what I have done that particular day, my visit is $70-$93 and this does not include the supplements I am taking.  For 40 visits and supplements, the cost will be under $4500. I visited Dr Glueck 4 times (at the beginning, 2 month, 4 month, and 6 month) in 6 months, my cost was over $9000 (this did not take into account the cost of metformin and later the cholesterol lowering drug and avandia he wanted to add – or the hospital bill from having high levels of lactic acid). The thing with holistic doctors is they want to fix the entire body, not just what they perceive as the problem (insulin resistance). Kari Trasea1 <tras…@hotmail.com> wrote in message

news:3A39BD84.4A8A555B@hotmail.com… : Hi Jill, : I don’t know anything about the News that you are talking about as I am in : Louisiana but, after my experience with my doc the other day, I was driving home I : saw a Acupuncture & Holistic Treatment Center. I have been thinking about calling : them and see if they treat PCOS. I wonder what they charge? Has anyone here ever : done acupuncture? After what my doc said to me the other day I am thinking about : just trying it but not sure…Maybe I will call tomorrow…Will let you know what : they say. : tracy : : Jill wrote:

: : > Hi Ladies, : > My mom said she saw something on the news (Philly area) about acupuncture : > treatments at Hahnemann for PCOS.  Apparently the woman in the story had the : > full range of PCOS symptoms, and was able to correct the problem; additionally : > she has had a child. : > : > Did anyone else see this program? I am unable to find any information on it or : > find a website.  I also don’t know what station it was on. (I know, big help I : > am…..) : > : > Thanks in advance. : > : > Jill :

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Acupuncture works by… well by..  unblocking energy paths. In your note you spelled acupuncture wrong.  I am the worlds worst speller, so I am not playing teacher, but if you spell it correctly in Pub med, there are 7459 studies done on it.  Of course all of those studies do not pertain to PCOS.  There are several studies when you combine words like acupuncture and glucose or acupuncture and diabetes. But acupuncture does not work on a symptom, it works on the entire body.  The first acupuncture session I had, my sinuses immediately cleared up.  How or why, I dont know.  I dont understand how it works, but I cannot argue with how I feel and how my lab reports are coming back. Here is a sample of a study: http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov:80/entrez/query.fcgi?cmd=Retrieve&db=PubMe d&list_uids=10716298&dopt=Abstract ^ the link wraps you must copy, put back together, and paste it Effects of electro-acupuncture on anovulation in women with polycystic ovary syndrome. Stener-Victorin E, Waldenstrom U, Tagnfors U, Lundeberg T, Lindstedt G, Janson PO Department of Obstetrics and Gynecology, Goteborg University, Sweden. BACKGROUND: The present study was designed to evaluate if electro-acupuncture (EA) could affect oligo-/anovulation and related endocrine and neuroendocrine parameters in women with polycystic ovary syndrome (PCOS). METHODS: Twenty-four women (between the ages of 24 and 40 years) with PCOS and oligo-/amenorrhea were included in this non-randomized, longitudinal, prospective study. The study period was defined as the period extending from 3 months before the first EA treatment, to 3 months after the last EA treatment (10-14 treatments), in total 8-9 months. The menstrual and ovulation patterns were confirmed by recording of vaginal bleedings and by daily registrations of the basal body temperature (BBT). Blood samples were collected within a week before the first EA, within a week after the last EA and 3 months after EA. RESULTS: Nine women (38%) experienced a good effect. They displayed a mean of 0.66 ovulations/woman and month in the period during and after the EA period compared to a mean of 0.15 before the EA period (p=0.004). Before EA, women with a good effect had a significantly lower body-mass index (BMI) (p<0.001), waist-to-hip circumference ratio (WHR) (p=0.0058), serum testosterone concentration (p=0.0098), serum testosterone/sex hormone binding globulin (SHBG) ratio (p=0.011) and serum basal insulin concentration (p=0.0054), and a significantly higher concentration of serum SHBG (p=0.040) than did those women with no effect. CONCLUSION: Repeated EA treatments induce regular ovulations in more than one third of the women with PCOS. The group of women with good effect had a less androgenic hormonal profile before treatment and a less pronounced metabolic disturbance compared with the group with no effect. For this selected group EA offers an alternative to  pharmacological ovulation induction.                        Publication Types:                             Clinical trial                        PMID: 10716298, UI: 20179042 Oh btw, it does not hurt at all, Kari wuzzy <wu…@my-deja.com> wrote in message

news:91eovj$5f5$1@nnrp1.deja.com… : this is the first i’ve ever read that accupuncture can help in PCOS : symptoms… : : if so, it might also be good for diabetics: PCOS=pre-diabetes.  (how : does a needle decrease your blood glucose – probably by relieving : stress?) : : anyway medline search turned up no articles when i looked up diabetes or : PCOS and accupuncture…. so no published studies are yet there to : prove/disprove..  except there was one article for stress and i think : its been shown that diabetes risk increases with stress… : : : Sent via Deja.com : http://www.deja.com/

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>From: Tracy >After what my doc said to me the other day I am thinking about >just trying it but not sure

Hi Tracy I have been having a hard time as well and I am willing to try alternative therapy. My other concerns are about my health insurance; I am not sure if this type of treatment is covered.   On the other hand, the treatments that *are* covered aren’t helping…  so what’s the dif! Jill Jill

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this is the first i’ve ever read that accupuncture can help in PCOS symptoms… if so, it might also be good for diabetics: PCOS=pre-diabetes.  (how does a needle decrease your blood glucose – probably by relieving stress?) anyway medline search turned up no articles when i looked up diabetes or PCOS and accupuncture…. so no published studies are yet there to prove/disprove..  except there was one article for stress and i think its been shown that diabetes risk increases with stress… Sent via Deja.com http://www.deja.com/

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>From: "Kari" >The thing with holistic doctors is they want to fix the entire body, >not just what they perceive as the problem (insulin resistance).

That would be fine with me! Thanks very much for sharing your experiences. Jill

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I am Stephen’s wife.  The email says that I am Stephen

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Hi there, I am newish to this dieting stuff, I had a back injury and sat around and ate sandwiches and chocolate  my weight crept up and up. I felt big and fat. It was awful, the millennium eve photos were a real truth bringer, anyway I was told by a work mate about an internet web page/ site he’d used called time2slim.com. (At present it can only be found by using the above www.address, but it will be launched shortly) but these people gave me support on the internet & telephone, and they have recipe’s and diet sheets, they advise you about small changes in your eating habit’s and the way in which you prepare and cook your meals so that you do loose weight, but you do it gradually, a couple of pounds or so each week, not hugh amounts. They have helped me loose 2 stone in about 17 weeks, I don’t starve, I still have wine or beer, but I have followed small changes in the way the way food is prepared. Anyway I’m now a target weight of 13st and started jogging again. (I did very little exercise whilst on the diet due to a back injury) so no it is not essential to exercise, but it does help. Anyway why not have a look at time2slim, try the recipes and diet, the girl I dealt with was called Helen, and see how you go. You can do it, I did, it wont happen overnight though, but small steps make big losses in the end. I look out for you on the notice board, or you can email me directly, have fun and eat well

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you might try the diet at this location http://www.ivillage.com/diet/features/fatflush/articles/0,5050,13884,… – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text -I am frustrated; I cannot seem to lose weight. I am never hunger and eat only because I am supposed to eat. I avoid sweets, most fats, and don’t drink. I was on Jenny Crag for 16 weeks, exercise every day for about an hour, I stock to the program, in fact I had my calories dropped and at the end I had lost 7 lbs. I have had 6 kids and with each kid came permanent grain. Any suggestions?

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wait-you said you’ve had 6 kids, but your name is posted as Stephen.  Maybe I am daft, but are you a guy or a girl?

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I have the same problem. My blood work was normal and my family doctor had no explanation. I went to an endocrinologist. Insulin Resistance caused by polycystic ovary syndrome. You don’t have to have polycystic ovary syndrome to have insulin resistance. He put me on Metformin but did NOT recommend a low carb diet, just "stay under 100 grams" a day. Perhaps an endo could figure out what’s going on. – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – Dear Stephen, Have you had any blood work done lateley?  I would like to see your doctor order a thyroid panel to see if your TSH levels are normal.  If your thyroid is underactive, there is little chance that you will lose wieght, and you will be tired, cold, etc. PammieRN I am frustrated; I cannot seem to lose weight. I am never hunger and eat only because I am supposed to eat. I avoid sweets, most fats, and don’t drink. I was on Jenny Crag for 16 weeks, exercise every day for about an hour, I stock to the program, in fact I had my calories dropped and at the end I had lost 7 lbs. I have had 6 kids and with each kid came permanent grain. Any suggestions?

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I am 5′ 8", 213 lbs, in good health. I eat 3 times a day, about 1300 calories. Walk on a walking machine about 1/2 hour per weekday I do not know what I will do if I break the 220 point. Thanks

– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – Could you give us more details?  How tall you are, how much you weigh, what a typical day of eating includes, what type of exercise you do?  Its really hard to give solid advice without knowing all the facts.  I am sure you will find a wealth of information here-everyone here is very helpful.  By the way, welcome to the group! Betsy

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Hi and welcome to the group. Give weight watchers a try – it really works. Come here and read and post and you will get a great deal of support and help. Good luck – you do not have to go any higher – you can lose this weight ) — ~ ~   Rocki   ~ ~   S. Devon, UK.  219/158.5/156 W.W.  Target 141 lbs  Christmas Goal : 150 lbs Minutes Exercised Since 21st October : 75 mins – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – I am frustrated; I cannot seem to lose weight. I am never hunger and eat only because I am supposed to eat. I avoid sweets, most fats, and don’t drink. I was on Jenny Crag for 16 weeks, exercise every day for about an hour, I stock to the program, in fact I had my calories dropped and at the end I had lost 7 lbs. I have had 6 kids and with each kid came permanent grain. Any suggestions?

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Stephen, I’d venture to say that you’re not eating enough. Yep.  You read that right.  At 213 lbs, you need about 2200 calories just to support daily living.  With 30 mins of moderate exercise (say, about 1.5 miles) that adds another 150 calories.  At 1300 calories, you’re in a caloric deficit of about 1000 calories a day. Well, great, you think, since a pound is about 3500 calories, I should be losing about 2 pounds a week.   Your body is smarter than that.  Losing weight that quickly isn’t healthy, so your body has shifted into low gear and barely needs any fuel to keep going. I’d wager that you’re not feeling particularly well or are more tired than usual. In any case, up your caloric intake with healthy foods and still stay under your daily requirement and you should start losing some weight. Best, Diane 185/158/150 asdww FAQ: http://www.didian.com/asdww/ – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – I am 5′ 8", 213 lbs, in good health. I eat 3 times a day, about 1300 calories. Walk on a walking machine about 1/2 hour per weekday I do not know what I will do if I break the 220 point. Thanks Could you give us more details?  How tall you are, how much you weigh, what a typical day of eating includes, what type of exercise you do?  Its really hard to give solid advice without knowing all the facts.  I am sure you will find a wealth of information here-everyone here is very helpful.  By the way, welcome to the group! Betsy

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Perhaps you are not eating enough calories… 1300 calories for someone your height and weight is to little. Your body might be in hoarding mode, because it is thinking it is starving.. it is not getting enough calories to maintain a healthy metabolic rate. I suggest you up your calories, drink more water.. at least 8 – 8 oz glasses a day plus another glass for every 25 pounds overweight you are. Here are some tips and links you might find useful, also I will add a list of things you can do to naturally boost your metabolism. Best of luck to you, and let us know here on WW ng, how you are doing.. ) *** There are lots of friendly supportive folks around here who have a really good idea of what you’re going through.  We’re definitely here to help! Here are some tips that might help you stay motivated and keep on track.  If you have any questions, please don’t hesitate to ask! ****** 1. Drink lots of water.. I mean at least 8 – 8 0z glasses a day  PLUS a glass of water for every 25 pounds overweight you are. I weigh 230 and I am drinking 100 OZ of water a day. For information on WHY you need the water… read this article, it is chalk full of good reasons.  This is written by a fellow ASDer, Claudia, and is excellent. http://dietchef.ecorp.net/articles/health/water.htm 2.  Here on the ASDWW NG, we play a game to help each other out.  Every time someone mentions the word "water" in a post, you take a swill from your water glass!  This helps everyone remember to get all their water in.  You are invited to participate. 3. LEARN all you can about the importance of getting to your desired weight.. Whatever way of eating you do, learn all about it. I do Weight Watchers, I learned about WW and am making it my life’s journey. That is what we on the WW NG are doing.. so join us! There is a great website that I like to tell people about built and written by a fellow WW member… she has filled her website with GREAT ideas, tips, ways she lost, before and after pics…  I highly recommend you click on this link and look around. I go there for inspiration and motivation. I love this site.. http://www.dottisweightlosszone.com/mystory.html 4. Exercise!! The BEST way to speed up your weight loss, is to add regular exercise to your lifestyle (wol = way of living).   SHAKE IT UP…  eg: do gym cardio one day.. on alternate days do…  walk, hike, dance like a fool in your living room.. don’t let your body have the chance to get used to what you are doing. ) You need to trick it, as your body can adapt and that is where you reach plateaus.  :)   Some of us on the WW NG have joined Destination 2000… there is a website dedicated to this if you are interested in setting exercise goals for yourself… http://www.geocities.com/mystic1972/index.htm 5. Snack during the day using healthy foods. There are a lot of good ideas on here to be had, keep your eyes open. Junk food binges usually happen because your body has had an insulin spike after a meal, and if you satisfy that craving or urge to eat, put something good in your tummy instead of junk… by eating junk food… you slide back, your exercise will have been for nothing, as you are giving your body more fat to store. MAKE YOUR EXERCISE COUNT!!  Nothing tastes as good as slim feels  REMEMBER THAT. ) Joanie’s Dr. recommends chromium for cravings.. the doctor said that if she takes one with the main meal, it will help to even out your blood sugar level, and thereby prevents cravings. 6. Ask yourself why you want to lose weight?  Make a list of the reasons you have to lose…  put them in one column….  then ask yourself why you should not lose weight, put those reasons in the other column. I think you will find that you have every reason on earth to get healthy. Many of us were not taught the right way to eat. (we grew up on hamburger helper… you just don’t know how many ways there are to serve it.. )  I don’t blame my mum, as she didn’t’ know better… but in this day and age, where information is at our fingertips…  make it your business to learn about all of this! 7. Eat breakfast! It will help you to have energy during the day, and prevent cravings mid morning and lunch time. It also helps your metabolism as your body doesn’t go into starvation mode… and slow your metabolism.  Also, if you are having difficulties making your minimum points for the day, adding a few extra points for breakfast is a great way to make sure you’re eating enough! 8. Set minigoals for yourself… how about setting your goal to lose 5 pounds…  and that is ALL you have to think about… getting down 5 pounds! .  Once you reach that, you set a new number… It helps to say "I have 5 pounds to lose!" I can do that!!!   Rather than saying I have 125 pounds (like me) to lose UGH! 9. Dont’ be in a rush for it all to happen at once…. it took a long time to put the weight on, it won’t come off in a week or two. Patience. You have a lifetime to get this right, there is no hurry. 10. Get the FAQ’s ma’am!   ASDWW FAQ: http://www.didian.com/asdww/ This is the faq made up for asdww by Cindy now maintained by Diane. Thanks! It is a list of commonly asked questions here on WW ASD. 11. this is where you can find the list of some of the regulars you will see on this NG http://aclancy.home.mindspring.com/WW/ ****** Hope some of this helps! *** Here is the stuff on metabolism ) 12 Keys to super-charging your metabolism for weight loss. You hear it all the time "metabolism", but what it is? Its the process of converting food into energy (movement and heat). Metabolism happens in your muscles and organs and the result of it is what we commonly refer to as "burning calories". Metabolism is essentially the speed at which your bodies motor is running. "basal metabolism" is the metabolic rate or caloric expenditure needed to maintain basal body functions such as your heart beating, breathing, muscle tone, etc. It’s how fast your "motor" is running when your still in a reclines position or sleeping. Basal metabolism accounts for about 75% of the calories you expend on a daily basis! The good news is that there are 12 ways you can "boost" your metabolism! the more of these that you are able to incorporate into your life, the more you’ll boost your metabolism. That means you’ll be expending "burning" more calories 24 hours a day! 1. Always eat breakfast!  Skipping breakfast sends the message to your body that your starving because you haven’t had food in 18+ hous. As a protective mechanism, your metabolism slows down, Food, esp complex carbohydrates, fuels your metabolism. 2. Eat earlier in the day!  Research has demonstrated that you can lose weight simply by eating a substantial breakfast and lunch, and a light dinner. dinner should be eaten as early as possible, preferably at least 4 hours before bedtime. 3.Never eat less than 1200 calories per day!  Less than 1200 is usually not enough to support your basal metabolism and thus will slow your metabolism. 4. Snack frequently!! Complex carbohydrates (fruits, vegetables and grains) fuel your metabolism. Also snacking prevents you from becoming too hungry. The hungrier you are, the less control you have over what and how much you eat. 5.  Eat more carbohydrates (food from plants) and less fat (food from animals and other food with added fat)!  Carbohydrates boost your metabolism and have fewer calories per weight than fat. 6. Do some type of aerobic exercise (walking, jogging, swimming, stationary biking, aerobic dancing etc) on a DAILY basis (preferably in the morning)! forget this twice a week stuff. Our bodies were designed to be active on a daily basis! When we are, our metabolism soars! 7. In addition to your regular aerobic activity, take a brisk 10-15 minute at lunch or in the evening. This serves to boost your metabolism even more! 8. Tone your muscles with weight training 3 days a week. Toned muscles will send your metabolism through the roof! Do it!! 9. Look for situations to be active. Park as far from the store as you can, rather than looking for the closest parking spot. Use the stairs rather then the elevator, a broom rather than a blower, etc..  Look for the "hard" way to do things! 10. Avoid Alcohol!  Alcohol depresses your metabolism and stimulates your appetite. 11. Drink 60+ oz of water a day. Your metabolism needs plenty of water to function properly. Carry a bottle of water with you, and drink frequently throughout the day. 12. Avoid the 3 P’s ….. pills, powders and potions!! there are no quick fixes!! Get started today! You’ll feel better and your metabolism will be in "great shape!" This was the article I found on greg landry’s site. I hope some of you find it helpful. He also has a free email newsletter "fitness, health and weight loss"   — I get that… in it he does give a message about his book, if anyone wants it etc… but there is no pressure to buy anything, and the articles are interesting.  If anyone wants to see his site the address is http://www.landry.com/ — ~~Joanie~~ From Vancouver BC Canada! minutes exercised since Oct 21: 40 min Christmas goal: stay tuned Official WW weight : stay tuned – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – I am 5′ 8", 213 lbs, in good health. I eat 3 times a day, about 1300 calories. Walk on a walking machine about 1/2 hour per weekday I do not know what I will do if I break the 220 point. Thanks Could you give us more details?  How tall you are, how much you weigh, what a typical day of eating includes, what type of exercise you do?  Its really hard to give solid advice without knowing all the facts.  I am sure you will find a wealth of information here-everyone here is very

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I am frustrated; I cannot seem to lose weight. I am never hunger and eat only because I am supposed to eat. I avoid sweets, most fats, and don’t drink. I was on Jenny Crag for 16 weeks, exercise every day for about an hour, I stock to the program, in fact I had my calories dropped and at the end I had lost 7 lbs. I have had 6 kids and with each kid came permanent grain. Any suggestions?

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Could you give us more details?  How tall you are, how much you weigh, what a typical day of eating includes, what type of exercise you do?  Its really hard to give solid advice without knowing all the facts.  I am sure you will find a wealth of information here-everyone here is very helpful.  By the way, welcome to the group! Betsy

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Dear Stephen, Have you had any blood work done lateley?  I would like to see your doctor order a thyroid panel to see if your TSH levels are normal.  If your thyroid is underactive, there is little chance that you will lose wieght, and you will be tired, cold, etc. PammieRN – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – I am frustrated; I cannot seem to lose weight. I am never hunger and eat only because I am supposed to eat. I avoid sweets, most fats, and don’t drink. I was on Jenny Crag for 16 weeks, exercise every day for about an hour, I stock to the program, in fact I had my calories dropped and at the end I had lost 7 lbs. I have had 6 kids and with each kid came permanent grain. Any suggestions?

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I have the same problem. My blood work was normal and my family doctor had no explanation. I went to an endocrinologist. Insulin Resistance caused by polycystic ovary syndrome. You don’t have to have polycystic ovary syndrome to have insulin resistance. He put me on Metformin but did NOT recommend a low carb diet, just "stay under 100 grams" a day. Perhaps an endo could figure out what’s going on. – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – Dear Stephen, Have you had any blood work done lateley?  I would like to see your doctor order a thyroid panel to see if your TSH levels are normal.  If your thyroid is underactive, there is little chance that you will lose wieght, and you will be tired, cold, etc. PammieRN I am frustrated; I cannot seem to lose weight. I am never hunger and eat only because I am supposed to eat. I avoid sweets, most fats, and don’t drink. I was on Jenny Crag for 16 weeks, exercise every day for about an hour, I stock to the program, in fact I had my calories dropped and at the end I had lost 7 lbs. I have had 6 kids and with each kid came permanent grain. Any suggestions?

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Dear Stephen, Have you had any blood work done lateley?  I would like to see your doctor order a thyroid panel to see if your TSH levels are normal.  If your thyroid is underactive, there is little chance that you will lose wieght, and you will be tired, cold, etc. PammieRN – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – I am frustrated; I cannot seem to lose weight. I am never hunger and eat only because I am supposed to eat. I avoid sweets, most fats, and don’t drink. I was on Jenny Crag for 16 weeks, exercise every day for about an hour, I stock to the program, in fact I had my calories dropped and at the end I had lost 7 lbs. I have had 6 kids and with each kid came permanent grain. Any suggestions?

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Could you give us more details?  How tall you are, how much you weigh, what a typical day of eating includes, what type of exercise you do?  Its really hard to give solid advice without knowing all the facts.  I am sure you will find a wealth of information here-everyone here is very helpful.  By the way, welcome to the group! Betsy

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I am frustrated; I cannot seem to lose weight. I am never hunger and eat only because I am supposed to eat. I avoid sweets, most fats, and don’t drink. I was on Jenny Crag for 16 weeks, exercise every day for about an hour, I stock to the program, in fact I had my calories dropped and at the end I had lost 7 lbs. I have had 6 kids and with each kid came permanent grain. Any suggestions?

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I’m sorry, I don’t have any suggestions, except that maybe you should speak to a doctor?  Anyway you’ll find lots of support in ASD. — Kello 160/152/130 – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – I am frustrated; I cannot seem to lose weight. I am never hunger and eat only because I am supposed to eat. I avoid sweets, most fats, and don’t drink. I was on Jenny Crag for 16 weeks, exercise every day for about an hour, I stock to the program, in fact I had my calories dropped and at the end I had lost 7 lbs. I have had 6 kids and with each kid came permanent grain. Any suggestions?

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Stephen, I’d venture to say that you’re not eating enough. Yep.  You read that right.  At 213 lbs, you need about 2200 calories just to support daily living.  With 30 mins of moderate exercise (say, about 1.5 miles) that adds another 150 calories.  At 1300 calories, you’re in a caloric deficit of about 1000 calories a day. Well, great, you think, since a pound is about 3500 calories, I should be losing about 2 pounds a week.   Your body is smarter than that.  Losing weight that quickly isn’t healthy, so your body has shifted into low gear and barely needs any fuel to keep going. I’d wager that you’re not feeling particularly well or are more tired than usual. In any case, up your caloric intake with healthy foods and still stay under your daily requirement and you should start losing some weight. Best, Diane 185/158/150 asdww FAQ: http://www.didian.com/asdww/ – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – I am 5′ 8", 213 lbs, in good health. I eat 3 times a day, about 1300 calories. Walk on a walking machine about 1/2 hour per weekday I do not know what I will do if I break the 220 point. Thanks Could you give us more details?  How tall you are, how much you weigh, what a typical day of eating includes, what type of exercise you do?  Its really hard to give solid advice without knowing all the facts.  I am sure you will find a wealth of information here-everyone here is very helpful.  By the way, welcome to the group! Betsy

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Hi and welcome to the group. Give weight watchers a try – it really works. Come here and read and post and you will get a great deal of support and help. Good luck – you do not have to go any higher – you can lose this weight ) — ~ ~   Rocki   ~ ~   S. Devon, UK.  219/158.5/156 W.W.  Target 141 lbs  Christmas Goal : 150 lbs Minutes Exercised Since 21st October : 75 mins – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – I am frustrated; I cannot seem to lose weight. I am never hunger and eat only because I am supposed to eat. I avoid sweets, most fats, and don’t drink. I was on Jenny Crag for 16 weeks, exercise every day for about an hour, I stock to the program, in fact I had my calories dropped and at the end I had lost 7 lbs. I have had 6 kids and with each kid came permanent grain. Any suggestions?

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I am 5′ 8", 213 lbs, in good health. I eat 3 times a day, about 1300 calories. Walk on a walking machine about 1/2 hour per weekday I do not know what I will do if I break the 220 point. Thanks

– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – Could you give us more details?  How tall you are, how much you weigh, what a typical day of eating includes, what type of exercise you do?  Its really hard to give solid advice without knowing all the facts.  I am sure you will find a wealth of information here-everyone here is very helpful.  By the way, welcome to the group! Betsy

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I am Stephen’s wife.  The email says that I am Stephen

– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – wait-you said you’ve had 6 kids, but your name is posted as Stephen. Maybe I am daft, but are you a guy or a girl?

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Hi there, I am newish to this dieting stuff, I had a back injury and sat around and ate sandwiches and chocolate  my weight crept up and up. I felt big and fat. It was awful, the millennium eve photos were a real truth bringer, anyway I was told by a work mate about an internet web page/ site he’d used called time2slim.com. (At present it can only be found by using the above www.address, but it will be launched shortly) but these people gave me support on the internet & telephone, and they have recipe’s and diet sheets, they advise you about small changes in your eating habit’s and the way in which you prepare and cook your meals so that you do loose weight, but you do it gradually, a couple of pounds or so each week, not hugh amounts. They have helped me loose 2 stone in about 17 weeks, I don’t starve, I still have wine or beer, but I have followed small changes in the way the way food is prepared. Anyway I’m now a target weight of 13st and started jogging again. (I did very little exercise whilst on the diet due to a back injury) so no it is not essential to exercise, but it does help. Anyway why not have a look at time2slim, try the recipes and diet, the girl I dealt with was called Helen, and see how you go. You can do it, I did, it wont happen overnight though, but small steps make big losses in the end. I look out for you on the notice board, or you can email me directly, have fun and eat well

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you might try the diet at this location http://www.ivillage.com/diet/features/fatflush/articles/0,5050,13884,… – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text -I am frustrated; I cannot seem to lose weight. I am never hunger and eat only because I am supposed to eat. I avoid sweets, most fats, and don’t drink. I was on Jenny Crag for 16 weeks, exercise every day for about an hour, I stock to the program, in fact I had my calories dropped and at the end I had lost 7 lbs. I have had 6 kids and with each kid came permanent grain. Any suggestions?

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wait-you said you’ve had 6 kids, but your name is posted as Stephen.  Maybe I am daft, but are you a guy or a girl?

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Hello, I just thought that since most of us seem to be the outgoing type when it comes to our health and finding out as much as we can about this disorder on our own that you would like to know that I found 3 books on Amazon.com that are all about PCOS.  2 are available now and the 3rd is to be released this month, but you can pre-order it. 1. "PCOS: A Woman’s Guide to Dealing with Polycystic Ovary Syndrome" By – Colette Harris & Adam Carey: Paperback; $14.40  (Available Now) 2. "PCOS : The Hidden Epidemic" By – Samuel S. Thatcher, Ph.D ; Hardcover; $24.95  (Available Now) 3. "Living with PCOS" by – Angela Best-Boss, et al; Paperback; $13.45 (Available October 2000) I started reading the first book listed today and have learned alot already.  I just received the first 2 listed today.  I hope this will help to answer a lot of my questions. And I hope many of you will find them to be of use to you as well. Stephanie Sent via Deja.com http://www.deja.com/ Before you buy.

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Stevi <st…@usol.com> wrote in message news:8rgked$h3$1@nnrp1.deja.com… > The third book is to be released some time this month hope  it turns up > to be a good source.

Angelo Boss asked me if I would like to contribute my own PCOS highlights (if you can call them that), saying that the book would contain a lot of anecdotal material.  That can frequently be helpful! Beth

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Ok the first book I listed PCOS a womans guide to dealing with polycystic ovary syndrome; this is a really good book and I got a lot out of it and it did not use a lot of technical terms that were beyond my understanding.  And it is not very long I have read more than half of it last night. The second book PCOS The Hidden Epidemic; This book is quite thick and packed full of information and the author is a Endocrinologist.  It is good but uses a lot of technical terms and I found myself getting a little lost and having to go back and read it over again.  But overall it seems to be a good referance. The third book is to be released some time this month hope  it turns up to be a good source. In article <8rdl2n$hn…@nnrp1.deja.com>,   Stevi <st…@usol.com> wrote: – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text -> Hello, I just thought that since most of us seem to be the outgoing > type when it comes to our health and finding out as much as we can > about this disorder on our own that you would like to know that I found > 3 books on Amazon.com that are all about PCOS.  2 are available now and > the 3rd is to be released this month, but you can pre-order it. > 1. "PCOS: A Woman’s Guide to Dealing with Polycystic Ovary Syndrome" > By – Colette Harris & Adam Carey: Paperback; $14.40  (Available Now) > 2. "PCOS : The Hidden Epidemic" > By – Samuel S. Thatcher, Ph.D ; Hardcover; $24.95  (Available Now) > 3. "Living with PCOS" > by – Angela Best-Boss, et al; Paperback; $13.45 (Available October 2000) > I started reading the first book listed today and have learned alot > already.  I just received the first 2 listed today.  I hope this will > help to answer a lot of my questions. > And I hope many of you will find them to be of use to you as well. > Stephanie > Sent via Deja.com http://www.deja.com/ > Before you buy.

Sent via Deja.com http://www.deja.com/ Before you buy.

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