Filed under: Polycystic ovary syndrome
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Does anyone know of any good studies on preventing miscariiage in PCOS patients?
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Tania McEvoy <t…@unixdba.com> wrote in message
news:39A19A16.27A8FB@unixdba.com… > Does anyone know of any good studies on preventing miscariiage in PCOS > patients?
This should also be on Dr. Glueck’s website – or at least parts of it, btw. http://womenshealth.medscape.com/reuters/prof/2000/04/04.19/20000419c…. html Metformin Reduces Miscarriages in Women With Polycystic Ovary Syndrome ————————————————————————— – —- SAN DIEGO, CA, Apr 19 (Reuters Health) – Metformin therapy reduces the risk of miscarriages in women with polycystic ovary syndrome (PCOS) by reducing levels of plasminogen activator inhibitor, according to a presentation made here this week at the Experimental Biology 2000 meeting. Dr. Charles Glueck of Jewish Hospital, Cincinnati, Ohio, said that he has found that metformin reduces the first-trimester miscarriage rate from 45% to 9%, with 9% to 13% being the US average. Now his group has discovered that the miscarriage rate is so high because, in addition to high insulin levels and an abundance of male sex hormones, women with PCOS have high levels of plasminogen activator inhibitor, which causes placental blood clots. Metformin reduces the risk of miscarriage by reducing plasminogen activator inhibitor levels, Dr. Glueck said. Noting that "there’s no other biologic system that we know of that fails 13% of the time in healthy people," he said that he and his colleagues determined that many miscarriages are due to abnormalities in placental blood clotting. Women who are homozygous for a particular version of the plasminogen activator inhibitor gene or who have inherited coagulation disorders are at particular risk. "Once you know that in a woman who’s had a miscarriage, then you can identify the genetic disorder and treat with low-molecular-weight heparin throughout the pregnancy," Dr. Glueck said. His group is recommending that all women be tested for coagulation ability before conception. "We suspect we could identify women prone to miscarriage," he said. He noted that a year’s supply of metformin would cost about $700, while fertility treatments, which are ineffective for PCOS, cost about $30,000 and are not covered by insurance. Noting that metformin induced an average weight loss of 16 kg in women with PCOS, Dr. Glueck’s group also examined the ability of metformin to induce weight loss in 22 morbidly obese men and women who had significant insulin resistance but were not diabetic. In an open-label study, they treated patients with metformin daily for 24 weeks without any change in their regular diet. Metformin caused a 6% weight loss and reduced weight and hip circumference by 3 inches. The fasting insulin also fell from high to normal levels, and surprisingly, levels of low-density lipoprotein cholesterol also fell significantly. Treatment with metformin may prevent the development of type 2 diabetes in these patients, Dr. Glueck said.
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I don’t have any studies but my RE says she finds that most PCO women require progesterone support even if their levels are supposedly normal. I m/c my 1st pregnancy because we started the progesterone too late. Second time around we started progesterone (Crinone) earlier and I stayed on Metformin until like 9-10 weeks which is when I stopped Crinone as well. Hope that helps. Despina – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text -Tania McEvoy wrote: > Does anyone know of any good studies on preventing miscariiage in PCOS > patients?
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I had it done in February 96. Didn’t do a thing for me but it was cool to watch the video.
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Has anyone tried Ovarian Drilling for PCOS? I am so tired of taking Provera every month just to have withdrawal bleeding, I can’t take bcp’s because of severe headaches and elevated bp, we have opted against fertility drugs to have another child and let nature take it’s course, I just wonder if the ovarian drilling helps with having periods, how long it lasts and if a doctor will do that as a last resort to have children only? Thanx is appreciated in advance.
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MANORWIFE wrote in message <19981017221419.05880.00002…@ng43.aol.com>… >Has anyone tried Ovarian Drilling for PCOS? I am so tired of taking Provera >every month just to have withdrawal bleeding, I can’t take bcp’s because of >severe headaches and elevated bp, we have opted against fertility drugs to have >another child and let nature take it’s course, I just wonder if the ovarian >drilling helps with having periods, how long it lasts and if a doctor will do >that as a last resort to have children only? Thanx is appreciated in
advance. I had the Ovarian Drilling/Laparoscope done June 29th/98 and I am now 3 months pregnant. I don’t know how long it lasts to help with the periods, my Dr said it varies between women. I did have a period about a month after having the surgery which was a positive sign for me. Debbie.
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I ahd the drilling done in March, 1998. I never did get a period on my own. I am now on Rezulin and have had 2 periods since Sepetmber.
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Meow35 wrote: > I had it done in February 96. Didn’t do a thing for me but it was cool to > watch the video.
I’ll ditto that! Although I did wish they’d take SOME of all that fat… Shoulda tipped ‘em better.;-) The procedure didn’t help me either. I would guess that a lot of the people it DID help are perhaps too busy doing what we all want to do someday and will not be as likely to be reading this NG. If you’re not screened for hyperinsulinemia, PLEASE get it. My case was very difficult before it, and approaches ‘normal’ now even on something as basic as Clomid. So, just when ya think the fat lady’s sung, the circle goes round again. — Karan Davis Harp http://members.tripod.com/~laughlines/index.html
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Laparoscopic "drilling" by diathermy or laser for ovulation induction in anovulatory polycystic ovary syndrome. Farquhar C, Vandekerckhove P, Arnot M, Lilford R Department of Obstetrics and Gynaecology, National Women’s Hospital, Claude Road, Epsom, Auckland, New Zealand, 1003. c.farqu…@auckland.ac.nz BACKGROUND: Problems in inducing ovulation in women with polycystic ovary syndrome (PCOS) and anovulation (failure to ovulate) are well recognised. Surgical ovarian wedge resection was the first established treatment for anovulatory PCOS patients but was largely abandoned of the risk of post-surgical adhesion formation. It was replaced by medical ovulation induction with clomiphene and gonadotrophins. However patients with PCOS treated with gonadotrophins often have a polyfollicular response and are exposed to the risks of ovarian hyperstimulation syndrome (OHSS) and multiple pregnancy. Although effective, it is an expensive, stressful and time consuming form of treatment requiring intensive monitoring. A new surgical therapy, laparoscopic ovarian "drilling", may avoid or reduce the need, or facilitate the use, of gonadotrophins for inducing ovulation. The procedure can be done on an outpatient basis with less trauma and fewer postoperative adhesions. It has been claimed in many uncontrolled observational studies that it is followed, at least temporarily, by a high rate of spontaneous postoperative ovulation and conception, or that subsequent medical ovulation induction becomes easier. OBJECTIVES: To determine the effectiveness of laparoscopic ovarian drilling for ovulation induction in subfertile women with anovulation (failure to ovulate) and polycystic ovarian syndrome (PCOS). SEARCH STRATEGY: The search strategy of the Menstrual Disorders and Subfertility Group was used for the identification of randomised controlled trials (RCTS). A computerised MEDLINE search was used to identify non randomised controlled trials. SELECTION CRITERIA: Trials were eligible for inclusion if treatment consisted of laparoscopic ovarian drilling in order to induce ovulation in subfertile women with PCOS and compared with a concurrent control group. DATA COLLECTION AND ANALYSIS: Fourteen trials were identified; eight were included in the review of which seven were randomised. All trials were assessed for quality criteria. The main studied outcomes were ovulation and pregnancy rates. Miscarriage rate, multiple pregnancy rate, and incidence of overstimulation and ovarian hyperstimulation syndrome rate were secondary outcomes. MAIN RESULTS: With the exception of multiple pregnancy rates no differences were demonstrated for any of the interventions studied but the numbers of patients who have been randomised to controlled studies at this time is insufficient to conclude that laparoscopic ovarian drilling is more effective than gonadotrophin therapy for other outcomes. REVIEWER’S CONCLUSIONS: The value of laparoscopic ovarian drilling as a primary treatment for subfertile patients with anovulation (failure to ovulate) and polycystic ovarian syndrome (PCOS) is undetermined. There is insufficient evidence to determine a difference in ovulation or pregnancy rates when compared to gonadotrophin therapy as a secondary treatment for clomiphene resistant women. Multiple pregnancy rates are reduced in those women who conceive following laparoscopic drilling. None of the studied modalities of drilling technique had any obvious advantages. Publication Types: Review Review, academic PMID: 10796746, UI: 20257826
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I am considering having Ovarian Drilling done in the near future and would like to hear about some of your experiences with it. I have done three rounds of clomid to which I did not respond, and I have recently started again on Metformin after having had some problems with lightheadedness. I am starting a lot more gradually than last time. Robyn Robyn Gough List Owner of aussie_cysters a support mail list for Aussie women with PCOS aussie_cysters-subscr…@onelist.com http://www.ozemail.com.au/~robyngo/aussiecysters/aussie_cysters.htm (remove n in nozemail to reply) http://members.xoom.com/Robyn Robyn’s Photography Homepage http://www.ozemail.com.au/~robyngo/bookshop.htm
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Below is an article I found on at www.medscape.com Hope it helps… Your cyster, Kat www.SoulCysters.com Laparoscopic "drilling" by diathermy or laser for ovulation induction in anovulatory polycystic ovary syndrome Farquhar C, Vandekerckhove P, Arnot M, Lilford R ————————————————————————— – —- A substantive amendment to this systematic review was last made on 03 February 1999. Cochrane reviews are regularly checked and updated if necessary. Data collection and analysis: Fourteen trials were identified; eight were included in the review of which seven were randomised. All trials were assessed for quality criteria. The main studied outcomes were ovulation and pregnancy rates. Miscarriage rate, multiple pregnancy rate, and incidence of overstimulation and ovarian hyperstimulation syndrome rate were secondary outcomes. Citation: Farquhar C, Vandekerckhove P, Arnot M, Lilford R. Laparoscopic "drilling" by diathermy or laser for ovulation induction in anovulatory polycystic ovary syndrome (Cochrane Review). In: The Cochrane Library, Issue 3, 1999. Oxford: Update Software. Background and objectives: To determine the effectiveness of laparoscopic ovarian drilling for ovulation induction in subfertile women with anovulation (failure to ovulate) and polycystic ovarian syndrome (PCOS). Reviewers’ conclusions: The value of laparoscopic ovarian drilling as a primary treatment for subfertile patients with anovulation (failure to ovulate) and polycystic ovarian syndrome (PCOS) is undetermined. There is insufficient evidence to determine a difference in ovulation or pregnancy rates when compared to gonadotrophin therapy as a secondary treatment for clomiphene resistant women. Multiple pregnancy rates are reduced in those women who conceive following laparoscopic drilling. None of the studied modalities of drilling technique had any obvious advantages. Search strategy: The search strategy of the Menstrual Disorders and Subfertility Group was used for the identification of randomised controlled trials (RCTS). A computerised MEDLINE search was used to identify non randomised controlled trials. Selection criteria: Trials were eligible for inclusion if treatment consisted of laparoscopic ovarian drilling in order to induce ovulation in subfertile women with PCOS and compared with a concurrent control group. Main results: With the exception of multiple pregnancy rates no differences were demonstrated for any of the interventions studied but the numbers of patients who have been randomised to controlled studies at this time is insufficient to conclude that laparoscopic ovarian drilling is more effective than gonadotrophin therapy for other outcomes.
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I had several blood tests run including a fasting c-peptide and testosterone. The results were reviewed by my endocrinologist and gyno who both agreed they don’t think I have PCOS. Melissa
– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – Hello Melissa, I dont know what tests your doctor ran to eliminate it, but I would like to state that there are not very many doctors that are experts in this field. If he didnt run a fasting insulin test on you that makes his diagnosis questionable at best. With that said, hypothyroidism can cause anovulation and left untreated or undertreated can lead to insulin resistance. Problems with your adrenal gland, I believe it is called Cushing, also causes problems with anovulation and insulin resistance. Kari My dr has already eliminated PCOS as the source of my anovulation but based on how well I do on Atkins I know I am VERY insulin resistant. I wondered if there was any other connection other than PCOS. Thanks for the info.
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Try asking those same questions in alt.support.pco, they would know the answers in a heartbeat. Glucophage, aka Metformin (generic), is a drug used for diabetes and insulin resistance. I just started taking it about a week ago, yes you need a prescription and they will most likely run a glucose tolerance test (2-5 hr. test) to see if you need the drug. Never heard of L-glutomine. I have heard that Met does aid in returning a woman to ovulating. Do you have PCO (polycystic ovarian syndrome)? Hope that helps! Amy run a search on metformin through any search engine and you will find tons of links!
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Glucophage is a bloodglucose-control med prescribed for DM2 (and, FWIW, all the money in the universe if i would start taking it again wouldn’t be enough to pay me to do it). d – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – Does anyone have any information on insulin resistance and a lack of ovulating? Also, does anyone know what Glucophage is? Is that like L-Glutomine? Do you need a prescription? Any info or links would be VERY MUCH APPRECIATED! — Melissa Watch for www.markandmelissa.com coming soon!
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What is DM2 and why wouldn’t you take it again? Melissa
– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – Glucophage is a bloodglucose-control med prescribed for DM2 (and, FWIW, all the money in the universe if i would start taking it again wouldn’t be enough to pay me to do it). d Does anyone have any information on insulin resistance and a lack of ovulating? Also, does anyone know what Glucophage is? Is that like L-Glutomine? Do you need a prescription? Any info or links would be VERY MUCH APPRECIATED! — Melissa Watch for www.markandmelissa.com coming soon!
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My dr has already eliminated PCOS as the source of my anovulation but based on how well I do on Atkins I know I am VERY insulin resistant. I wondered if there was any other connection other than PCOS. Thanks for the info. Melissa
– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – http://www.pcosupport.org/ http://commodore.perry.pps.pgh.pa.us/~odonnell/ir1.html alt.support.pco Insulin resistance and anovulation are 2 of the main symptoms of Polycystic Ovarian Syndrome. Glucophage is a prescription insulin sensitizing drug that allows your own insulin to work more effectively. Chromium and inositol are the over the counter supplements that will help your insulin work better. I’ve recently been diagnosed with PCOS. I have slightly elevated blood glucose and sky high insulin. I just started glucophage (brand name) or metformin (met for short) yesterday. I kept my answers brief, if you want more details, or more questions, I’ll do my best. I’ve also got enough links to make your head spin, but these are the best to start with. — Jan 216/166/145 on WW 1997-1998 2 years later… ain’t it a shame 221/212/145 Atkid since 3/4/00 Does anyone have any information on insulin resistance and a lack of ovulating? Also, does anyone know what Glucophage is? Is that like L-Glutomine? Do you need a prescription? Any info or links would be VERY MUCH APPRECIATED! — Melissa Watch for www.markandmelissa.com coming soon!
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No, they say I don’t have PCOS but I amso insulin resistant I wonder…I say that becuase I respond very well on an lc diet. I can go into ketosis very quickly and stay in it with ease. VERY BAD reactions when I go back to carbs. Melissa
– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – Try asking those same questions in alt.support.pco, they would know the answers in a heartbeat. Glucophage, aka Metformin (generic), is a drug used for diabetes and insulin resistance. I just started taking it about a week ago, yes you need a prescription and they will most likely run a glucose tolerance test (2-5 hr. test) to see if you need the drug. Never heard of L-glutomine. I have heard that Met does aid in returning a woman to ovulating. Do you have PCO (polycystic ovarian syndrome)? Hope that helps! Amy run a search on metformin through any search engine and you will find tons of links!
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Hello Melissa, I dont know what tests your doctor ran to eliminate it, but I would like to state that there are not very many doctors that are experts in this field. If he didnt run a fasting insulin test on you that makes his diagnosis questionable at best. With that said, hypothyroidism can cause anovulation and left untreated or undertreated can lead to insulin resistance. Problems with your adrenal gland, I believe it is called Cushing, also causes problems with anovulation and insulin resistance. Kari My dr has already eliminated PCOS as the source of my anovulation but based on how well I do on Atkins I know I am VERY insulin resistant. I wondered if there was any other connection other than PCOS. Thanks for the info. – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text –
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Excellent points. Before accepting the doctor’s diagnosis as final it might be beneficial to do a bit of web-surfing. The University of Chicago Center for Polycystic Ovary Syndrome http://centerforpcos.bsd.uchicago.edu/ " How is PCOS diagnosed? Initially, many of the symptoms of PCOS
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I also have a problem buying any of the lo carb mixes as I live in Russia. I am not sure there is any organization selling those internationally but, again, if there is, please tell me. For the time being I am considering purchasing one of these protein mixes for bodybuilders (only 1 carb per 100 gr.). Cris, I have heard that L-triptophane (aminoacid) reduces the carb cravings. Dasha Before you buy.
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dear chris, i use the supplements/vitamins that are recommended, but NOT dr. atkins 99mg tabs in the morning and two more at night! — read and post, rosie THOSE WHO HAVE BEEN THERE! – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – Hi all, I haven’t visited this newsgroup before and find it really informative. I am seriously thinking of trying to go back to lo carb again, but had quite a few problems with it for the six weeks I was on it. The first week, I suffered terrible aches and pains, especially in my lower back (which I assume was my kidneys getting cranky). My period was a month late (I wasn’t pregnant) and I finished up with a terrible case of upper respiratory infection which has taken me 2 weeks to shake off. No sooner did I get sick with this infection that my body screamed out for some "bad" food. So I gave in to the cravings and felt much better for it. I was really happy with the weight loss, but had great frustration at the fact that I couldn’t get any of the lo carb mixes (bread mix, protein shakes, pancake mix) here in Australia. That puts a real dampener on any enthusiasm for the diet, because you can only make recipes which don’t require any of these. However, because I was happy with the weight loss and because I am slipping back into my bad habits again, I think I will return to it and give it another try. I’m just concerned that I was deficient in some vitamins and minerals which lowered my immune system somehow and that’s how this infection got a foot in. I would love to be able to get hold of the vitamins and minerals Atkins puts out, but unless I order them online, I can’t get them here. If anyone can give me some answers to these problems, I would appreciate it, as the benefits of the diet were that I was never hungry and also I had little doubt about what I could eat and what I couldn’t, which was a great relief for me. If anyone knows of any online shopping stores that supply lo carb products internationally, please let me know. Chris — * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * .-"-. /) ( We wonder why the dogs always / |6 6| drink out of our toilets, but / Y`// look at it from their point of / ^ view: why do humans keep peeing ; ; into their water bowls? | | | | (_|-|_) .-""-. { } e’._ If you pick up a starving dog and { } __/ make him prosperous, he will not ;-’ .–’ bite you; that is the principal /`===; difference between a dog and a man. .’ | – Mark Twain .-’ / /` __ ; || | ` ` | || J & C Brnabic `) )`""` * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * `–`
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Potassium!!! I knew I’d forgotten something. After a mid afternoon nap yesterday, when I woke up I stretched and my legs and toes went into a cramp from hell. TBMary * Sent from RemarQ http://www.remarq.com The Internet’s Discussion Network * The fastest and easiest way to search and participate in Usenet – Free!
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Oh yeah Chris,, were you drinking enough water? My kidney’s let me know it if I drink less that 96 oz of water a day. TBMary 199/175/135 * Sent from RemarQ http://www.remarq.com The Internet’s Discussion Network * The fastest and easiest way to search and participate in Usenet – Free!
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Welcome to ASDLC Chris, Check out the FAQ and other useful low-carb links at http://www.grossweb.com/asdlc/index.htm I’ve made comments below: Hi all, I haven’t visited this newsgroup before and find it really informative. I am seriously thinking of trying to go back to lo carb again, but had quite a few problems with it for the six weeks I was on it. The first week, I suffered terrible aches and pains, especially in my lower back (which I assume was my kidneys getting cranky).
How much water were you drinking? It’s very important to drink until you are floating. Rule of thumb is 64oz plus 8oz for every 25lbs you are overweight. The aches and pains in general, perhaps including the ones in your back, are probably from mineral deficiency. Eating low- carb is diuretic; your body loses a lot of minerals with the water. Suppliment generously with potassium, magnesium, calcium. My period was a month late (I wasn’t pregnant)
Many, many women find that starting low-carb diets will do weird things to their menstrual cycles for a few months. Insulin definitely affects the ovaries, just ask any woman with polycystic ovary syndrome. <snipped I was really happy with the weight loss, but had great frustration at the fact that I couldn’t get any of the lo carb mixes (bread mix, protein shakes, pancake mix) here in Australia. That puts a real dampener on any enthusiasm for the diet, because you can only make recipes which don’t require any of these.
I’ve never tried any of the Atkin’s mixes, but there have been quite a few posts in this newsgroup stating that they are generally awful anyway. There are many more low-carb recipes that don’t require special mixes than recipes that do… look at Tina McDonald’s compilation of hundreds and hundreds of adslc recipes at: http://www.camacdonald.com/lc/cookbookdownload.html However, because I was happy with the weight loss and because I am slipping back into my bad habits again, I think I will return to it and give it another try. I’m just concerned that I was deficient in some vitamins and minerals which lowered my immune system somehow and that’s how this infection got a foot in. I would love to be able to get hold of the vitamins and minerals Atkins puts out, but unless I order them online, I can’t get them here.
Atkin’s suppliments are rediculously expensive. You can get what the book recommends individually at a much lower price from any health food store or (probably, never been to Australia) chemist. Try to eat a variety of foods too… including low-carb veggies!!! If anyone can give me some answers to these problems, I would appreciate it, as the benefits of the diet were that I was never hungry and also I had little doubt about what I could eat and what I couldn’t, which was a great relief for me. If anyone knows of any online shopping stores that supply lo carb products internationally, please let me know. Chris
Marion — mboulden at hotmail dot com (posting address is a spam trap) 213 in December ‘98 Atkid since 1/18/99, soccer+pumpin’ iron 205/183/? BF% 41/29/20 Before you buy.
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Hi Chris. I don’t buy any of the low carb mixes. The few times I needed something flour-like, I used almond and walnut flour (I ground them in the blender). how do you keep them from turning into pastes?
LOL. I’m a really terrible cook. When I tried this, it was sort of pasty, but it came out alright, very cake-like. –Jane
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Hi all, I haven’t visited this newsgroup before and find it really informative. I am seriously thinking of trying to go back to lo carb again, but had quite a few problems with it for the six weeks I was on it. The first week, I suffered terrible aches and pains, especially in my lower back (which I assume was my kidneys getting cranky). My period was a month late (I wasn’t pregnant) and I finished up with a terrible case of upper respiratory infection which has taken me 2 weeks to shake off. No sooner did I get sick with this infection that my body screamed out for some "bad" food. So I gave in to the cravings and felt much better for it. I was really happy with the weight loss, but had great frustration at the fact that I couldn’t get any of the lo carb mixes (bread mix, protein shakes, pancake mix) here in Australia. That puts a real dampener on any enthusiasm for the diet, because you can only make recipes which don’t require any of these. However, because I was happy with the weight loss and because I am slipping back into my bad habits again, I think I will return to it and give it another try. I’m just concerned that I was deficient in some vitamins and minerals which lowered my immune system somehow and that’s how this infection got a foot in. I would love to be able to get hold of the vitamins and minerals Atkins puts out, but unless I order them online, I can’t get them here. If anyone can give me some answers to these problems, I would appreciate it, as the benefits of the diet were that I was never hungry and also I had little doubt about what I could eat and what I couldn’t, which was a great relief for me. If anyone knows of any online shopping stores that supply lo carb products internationally, please let me know. Chris — * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * .-"-. /) ( We wonder why the dogs always / |6 6| drink out of our toilets, but / Y`// look at it from their point of / ^ view: why do humans keep peeing ; ; into their water bowls? | | | | (_|-|_) .-""-. { } e’._ If you pick up a starving dog and { } __/ make him prosperous, he will not ;-’ .–’ bite you; that is the principal /`===; difference between a dog and a man. .’ | – Mark Twain .-’ / /` __ ; || | ` ` | || J & C Brnabic `) )`""` * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * `–`
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Hi Chris. I don’t buy any of the low carb mixes. The few times I needed something flour-like, I used almond and walnut flour (I ground them in the blender). As to the vitamins, they really are important, for everyone I think, no matter what diet the person is on. I would recommend the "Dr. Atkin’s Vita-Nutrient Solution" and you can then get the vitamins from any good vitamin store. I just use a combination of multi-B’s, multi-minerals, and other things like extra E, selenium, A & D, MSM, etc., depending on what’s going on with my body. Good luck. –Jane – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – Hi all, I haven’t visited this newsgroup before and find it really informative. I am seriously thinking of trying to go back to lo carb again, but had quite a few problems with it for the six weeks I was on it. The first week, I suffered terrible aches and pains, especially in my lower back (which I assume was my kidneys getting cranky). My period was a month late (I wasn’t pregnant) and I finished up with a terrible case of upper respiratory infection which has taken me 2 weeks to shake off. No sooner did I get sick with this infection that my body screamed out for some "bad" food. So I gave in to the cravings and felt much better for it. I was really happy with the weight loss, but had great frustration at the fact that I couldn’t get any of the lo carb mixes (bread mix, protein shakes, pancake mix) here in Australia. That puts a real dampener on any enthusiasm for the diet, because you can only make recipes which don’t require any of these. However, because I was happy with the weight loss and because I am slipping back into my bad habits again, I think I will return to it and give it another try. I’m just concerned that I was deficient in some vitamins and minerals which lowered my immune system somehow and that’s how this infection got a foot in. I would love to be able to get hold of the vitamins and minerals Atkins puts out, but unless I order them online, I can’t get them here. If anyone can give me some answers to these problems, I would appreciate it, as the benefits of the diet were that I was never hungry and also I had little doubt about what I could eat and what I couldn’t, which was a great relief for me. If anyone knows of any online shopping stores that supply lo carb products internationally, please let me know. Chris — * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * .-"-. /) ( We wonder why the dogs always / |6 6| drink out of our toilets, but / Y`// look at it from their point of / ^ view: why do humans keep peeing ; ; into their water bowls? | | | | (_|-|_) .-""-. { } e’._ If you pick up a starving dog and { } __/ make him prosperous, he will not ;-’ .–’ bite you; that is the principal /`===; difference between a dog and a man. .’ | – Mark Twain .-’ / /` __ ; || | ` ` | || J & C Brnabic `) )`""` * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * `–`
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Hi, all Looks like I have Polycystic Ovary Syndrome, a disease which is controlled in part by limiting carbs. Instead of counting carbs, my doc would like me to use a diabetic exchange list to keep control. She told me not to worry about fats, veggies and meats, so, obviously I would still basically be watching the carbs. I would be allowed 7-8 exchanges each day, or, about 105-120 carbs, however, I am wondering if that isn’t way too much. Another difference is that diabetic exchanges allow me to eat nuts w/o counting them. Is this because the exchanges take into account fiber and fat? How are these exchange values determined? There are 2 convinience issues here. If I use exchanges, I will be allowed to eat much more permissively. If I use carbs, it will be more restrictive, but it will also be much easier to calculate what I have consumed when I am out to eat etc. What do you all think? How many carbs/exchanges do you all eat each day? Is anyone else even DOING exchanges? How important is it that I follow her instructions to the letter, as opposed to taking it upon myself to modify my method? I have read only parts of PP and CAD so far. Looks like PP considers fiber as a factor. Is PP basically like an exchange diet? BTW, I am not diabetic, but my sister, maternal grandpa , and paternal aunt all are. Feedback would be like gold to me. TIA Anja
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I also have Polycystic Ovarian Disease. Since I started low-carbing (about a year ago), my symptons have dramatically disappeared. I count the carbs, and don’t use exchanges. I also don’t have much trouble with my diabetes since I’ve started this. I try to stay below 20 carbs/day to minimize the ovarian disease symptons. It’s worked well for me. Christi 350/195/160 – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – Hi, all Looks like I have Polycystic Ovary Syndrome, a disease which is controlled in part by limiting carbs. Instead of counting carbs, my doc would like me to use a diabetic exchange list to keep control. She told me not to worry about fats, veggies and meats, so, obviously I would still basically be watching the carbs.
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Okay, Now Ive heard that getting a surge doesnt necessarily mean that you will ovulate… I think we need some help here! 
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Now Ive heard that getting a surge doesnt necessarily mean that you will ovulate… I think we need some help here
In my experience- I have had a surge detected and never ovulated. I had this happen while doing DI and it got very expensive so I got a shot of HCG to make sure that those darn follicles would ovulate If anyone one else has any ideas please share.. KIM ^^< ” =0= ~~ 0ne angel 11-2-98 ^i^ Never forget how to dream! ( edd-12/22/99 )this is a precious miracle.23w us we have a BOY!!!!!271/2 weeks baby boy is over 2lbs now =0
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<< I assume, since I was never told otherwise, that if you detect a surge, that you WILL O within 24-36 hrs. No, this isn’t a correct assumption. You can have a positive OPK, yet not ovulate. A positive OPK does not guarantee ovulation. Off the top of my head, I can think of 7 such examples….. 1.Luteinized Unruptured Follicle Syndrome (LUFS), 2.Polycystic Ovary Syndrome (where LH is abnormally high, and one can show a positive OPK *all* the time), 3. False positive OPK due to testing too soon post Clomid, 4. False positives due to use of fertility drugs (e.g. if you use Pergonal, which has LH in it), 5. Also, not all follicles contain eggs. So even if a follicle ruptures, technically, you may not "ovulate" (seeing there’s no egg). 6. Depending on certain circumstances the LH surge may not go high enough to actually cause ovulation. Test kits test for LH of 20 or higher, and for some (especially those with PCOS), this may not be high enough to cause ovulation, 7. "Trapped Egg Syndrome" (my own verbage), where altho the follicle ruptures and contains an egg, the egg becomes trapped within the follicle and never actually "ovulates".
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Can anyone please give me some info? I am going to be using an OPK to determine *O* for DI. When the test shows the LH surge I know that this means that *O* will follow shortly. Does this mean that if I don`t *O* that there will be no LH surge? Or can you still get the surge with no *O*? Thanx for any help ! Karen X
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Karen, That’s a good question and one that was never really answered for me by my DR’s. I assume, since I was never told otherwise, that if you detect a surge, that you WILL O within 24-36 hrs. But to be really accurate, you should test several times a day. That is my understanding. If someone knows otherwise, please let us know. FTTA Lee
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I’m confused, is it possible to have a +ve OPK test but then not ovulate? Becca
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is it possible to have a +ve OPK test but then not ovulate?
Yes. All an OPK will tell you is if your LH is above 20. For some, such a level may not be high enough to ovulate. ALso, you can have an LH surge, but not ovulate due to trapped egg syndrome or LUFS.
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I have had positive OPK without ovulating more than once. In fact I have gotten a positive 8 of the 9 times I have taken clomid and only ovulated maybe 4-5 of those times. It is confusing and frustrating. The only way to know for sure if you are ovulating or not is to have monitiored cycles. Hope this helps. Joni – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – I’m confused, is it possible to have a +ve OPK test but then not ovulate? Becca
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Hello I am 21 and was diagnosed with polycystic ovarian syndrome 3 years ago. If you want to talk feel free to email me I will answer anything I can or just listen if you need that. Stephanie http://community.webtv.net/StephieInOK/StephaniesPCOSPage
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Any info or feedback,
Check INCIID’s PCOS FAQ http://www.inciid.org/faq/pcos.html ,, ,—, (_,/ _/ _/__/ ,,/_/,,/_/,,
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Hi Mayte, Your doctor is either lazy or from the Bronze Age. Did that get your attention? :) I can think of a half dozen better ways to treat PCOS, and I don’t even have an M.D. You’re not at your doctor’s mercy and you’ve begun taking the right steps to arm yourself with better information than he has. Good luck! Beth — Beth’s PCO Page You Are Not Alone http://www.win.bright.net/~mickbeth/pco.htm Before you buy.
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I have PCOS… officially Dx two years ago, but no one thought to treat it until January Now we are on Met and Clomid.. and *crossing fingers* HOPING that +OPK on day 14 was for real, and that lovely little dip on the BBT means what we hope it means… God knows.. my boobs hurt enough for it to be!!!! Aubrey
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<snip Aubrey, Hello! Lots of women on the IF ngs have been diagnosed with PCOS. Including me! You’ll get a lot of info from alt.support.pco Also, go to an endo doc and tell them you’re been dx with PCOS. They will give you glucophage . They think PCOS is caused by being insulin sensitive. Symptons include being overweight, unusual hair growth, and acne. Good luck to you! Hummer Moving On…
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you might want to check out alt.support.pco newsgroup. there are some web sites i can find too but they’re bookmarked on my other computer so i don’t have them right now. i was just diagnosed with PCOS too. it seems to differ greatly depending on the individual. good luck to you. cathy
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Hi everyone – I’d like to hear from anyone out there that has polycystic ovaries like me.
I have polycystic ovary syndrome (PCOS). …as does everyone over at alt.support.pco! You might want to check it out! was given birth control, told to stay on this until I intend to get pregnant, and that I may have to take Clomid in order to get pregnant? Is this normal for anyone else out there?
Yes, it’s pretty much standard practice. That’s all my OB will do…..BCP’s and clomid. Ugh/useless. Clomid isn’t a great drug for PCOS, anyway. Didn’t do a lot for *me*. However, there are newer/better treatments for PCOS, which regular ob/gyns seem to be unaware of. Your best bet is to go and see an RE (reproductive endocrinologist) who can check for insulin resistance, and hopefully treat the entire syndrome with an insulin-lowering med like metformin. Good luck! -kay
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Thought I might get a better response with a different subject line!… Hi everyone – I’d like to hear from anyone out there that has polycystic ovaries like me. I am 23 and was given this diagnosis 2 years ago. I was given birth control, told to stay on this until I intend to get pregnant, and that I may have to take Clomid in order to get pregnant? Is this normal for anyone else out there? I feel like I am supposed to go through my 20s waiting for the inevitability of not being able to conceive, which I very much want to do!! It’s depressing as hell sometimes, because I feel helpless and at the mercy of my doctor who seems to give little info about my real chances of having babies. Any info or feedback, I’d really appreciate it! Thanks, –Mayte31 * Sent from AltaVista http://www.altavista.com Where you can also find related Web Pages, Images, Audios, Videos, News, and Shopping. Smart is Beautiful
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Thanks! Hope 183/176/145-ish
Hi Hope… wow there are two of us now. I guess I’ll be ‘Hope in Oz’ from now on? Hope (in oz) 190/164/130 LC 12/Nov/99 http://hn67.tripod.com/lc_oz/lc_newbie.htm
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Hi Hope… wow there are two of us now. I guess I’ll be ‘Hope in Oz’ from now on? Hope (in oz) 190/164/130 LC 12/Nov/99 http://hn67.tripod.com/lc_oz/lc_newbie.htm
Just proves that there’s always Hope (or 2 LD in NY 250/199/150 Atkins since Sept 1, 1999. For the ASDL-C cookbook (Vol. I and II), please visit: http://www.users.interport.net/~laur/lowcarb Subscribe to the NYC Low Carb list: http://www.onelist.com/community/NYCLowCarb
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Just proves that there’s always Hope (or 2
*whap* Hope (I really don’t want to be Number 2)…. 190/164/130 LC 12/Nov/99
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Thanks! I read this over and it helps I just kind of freaked b/c the usual posts seem to be :it didn’t come this month" or something. I have never quite been a week early (yeah, its beyond spotting) while on the pill. Gotta gove a call to my Dr tommorow to find out when to start the next pack though. Kinda weird. Hopie 183/176/145-ish – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – Here’s a link to the menstrual FAQ. My cycle was totally out of whack when I began low-carbing, and this FAQ helped me undersstand things a bit better. http://members.aol.com/lowcarbs/lowcarblist/faqs/menst.htm LD in NY 250/199/150 Atkins since Sept 1, 1999.
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Thats OK, I can be Hope 2 since yuo seem to be here first (ignoring my stint last May-June). Or I can be Hopie, or RubyTue, or ummm Hopeless as I have been called for years. Don’t ya just get sick of the Hope jokes. Hopie 183/176/145-ish
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Yeah, that happened to me too, for two cycles in a row, first time an entire week early, then 4 days early. Major pain. Sassy She-Spock Boldly Going Nowhere Three months, two weeks, 23 hours, 21 minutes and 34 seconds. 1283 cigarettes not smoked, saving $243.90. Life saved: 4 days, 10 hours, 55 minutes.
– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – Thanks! I read this over and it helps I just kind of freaked b/c the usual posts seem to be :it didn’t come this month" or something. I have never quite been a week early (yeah, its beyond spotting) while on the pill. Gotta gove a call to my Dr tommorow to find out when to start the next pack though. Kinda weird. Hopie 183/176/145-ish Here’s a link to the menstrual FAQ. My cycle was totally out of whack when I began low-carbing, and this FAQ helped me undersstand things a bit better. http://members.aol.com/lowcarbs/lowcarblist/faqs/menst.htm LD in NY 250/199/150 Atkins since Sept 1, 1999.
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Yes, I have had a weird TOM also. It has to be this way of eating…I am always on the money with timing and such..but last month (first since starting LC) it lasted 10 days instead of the usual 3 or 4. This can happen on any drastic change in diet or lifestyle, I don’t think it is just LC. Just wanted you to know you are not alone…. Renee Marcel in LA 255/239/150 Atkins since 2/3/00 I have been doing Atkins induction (mostly, tallied my carbs and
they seem to be 15-25/day) for about 15 days now and Autie Flo isn’t due for another week. However, I have been spotting for two days now.<<<
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I have been doing Atkins induction (mostly, tallied my carbs and they seem to be 15-25/day) for about 15 days now and Autie Flo isn’t due for another week. However, I have been spotting for two days now.<<<
Here’s a link to the menstrual FAQ. My cycle was totally out of whack when I began low-carbing, and this FAQ helped me undersstand things a bit better. http://members.aol.com/lowcarbs/lowcarblist/faqs/menst.htm LD in NY 250/199/150 Atkins since Sept 1, 1999. For the ASDL-C cookbook (Vol. I and II), please visit: http://www.users.interport.net/~laur/lowcarb Subscribe to the NYC Low Carb list: http://www.onelist.com/community/NYCLowCarb
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Autie Flo isn’t due for another week. However, I have been spotting for two days now.
I’m not on b/c, but since starting low-carb my periods have been coming like clock work every 28 days. Before low-carb you don’t want to know what they were like….lol. They used to last 7-9 days before low-carb, and now they only last 4 1/2. It sure does have an effect on you TOM. 248 / 217 / 210 <~ My first mini goal. "Here I come halfway point…. you can run but you can’t hide"
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– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – Autie Flo isn’t due for another week. However, I have been spotting for two days now. I’m not on b/c, but since starting low-carb my periods have been coming like clock work every 28 days. Before low-carb you don’t want to know what they were like….lol. They used to last 7-9 days before low-carb, and now they only last 4 1/2. It sure does have an effect on you TOM. 248 / 217 / 210 <~ My first mini goal. "Here I come halfway point…. you can run but you can’t hide"
One of the reasons I started this WOE was to treat polycystic ovary syndrome, which is an insulin resistance syndrome. Pre-Atkins, I had maybe 1-2 AF’s a year, and I never ovulated. Since Atkins, they’ve been getting closer and closer together, now running about 35 days, mostly ovulatory cycles. Changes in insulin metabolism can most definitely affect your menstrual cycle, and low-carbing changes your insulin metabolism. Most women find that things ‘normalize’ after a couple of months though. As for the pizza monster… order a pizza, scrape off the toppings and throw away the crust! Or brown ground meat, mix with (just a small amount) of tomato sauce, press into the bottom of a pan, put veggies/pepperoni on top sprinkle shredded cheese and bake. Lots of ways to get around the pizza monster! Also if you are getting serious cravings, try eating more of legal stuff, and up your fat, then see if the craving remains. Marion. — mboulden at hotmail dot com (posting address is a spam trap) 213 in December ‘98 Atkid since 1/18/99, soccer+pumpin’ iron 205/183/? BF% 41/29/20 Before you buy.
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Hope, lots of women have posted changes in their TOM after starting LC. For me I only had a change the first month or so and then was regular as ever and had less PMS and cramping. YMMV Connie – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – Hey there! I have been doing Atkins induction (mostly, tallied my carbs and they seem to be 15-25/day) for about 15 days now and Autie Flo isn’t due for another week. However, I have been spotting for two days now. Last summer, when I did Atkins, I had this problem a couple of times, but I blamed it on a recent breakup and not being quite so "good" about taking my BC on time/at all. However, I am very good now. Haven’t missed one, and its is usually between 9 and 10 am everyday. So, could low-carb be causing this? Anyone else had this problem? Its very annoying b/c I am usually quite predictable. Oh yeah, I mentioned that pizza monster. He has been calling my name SO hard for two days also. I got as far as calling in an order, but they wouldn’t deliver to my apt, so I guess it was a sign that I should have willpower. Coincidence? maybe. Annoying? YES!!! Sorry, just needed to vent that he has been talking to me. Thanks! Hope 183/176/145-ish
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Hey there! I have been doing Atkins induction (mostly, tallied my carbs and they seem to be 15-25/day) for about 15 days now and Autie Flo isn’t due for another week. However, I have been spotting for two days now. Last summer, when I did Atkins, I had this problem a couple of times, but I blamed it on a recent breakup and not being quite so "good" about taking my BC on time/at all. However, I am very good now. Haven’t missed one, and its is usually between 9 and 10 am everyday. So, could low-carb be causing this? Anyone else had this problem? Its very annoying b/c I am usually quite predictable. Oh yeah, I mentioned that pizza monster. He has been calling my name SO hard for two days also. I got as far as calling in an order, but they wouldn’t deliver to my apt, so I guess it was a sign that I should have willpower. Coincidence? maybe. Annoying? YES!!! Sorry, just needed to vent that he has been talking to me. Thanks! Hope 183/176/145-ish
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i did not even get my period this month! it normally lasts 3-4 days w/ usually no cramping…i hope this woe does not make it worse!
– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – Hope, lots of women have posted changes in their TOM after starting LC. For me I only had a change the first month or so and then was regular as ever and had less PMS and cramping. YMMV Connie Hey there! I have been doing Atkins induction (mostly, tallied my carbs and they seem to be 15-25/day) for about 15 days now and Autie Flo isn’t due for another week. However, I have been spotting for two days now. Last summer, when I did Atkins, I had this problem a couple of times, but I blamed it on a recent breakup and not being quite so "good" about taking my BC on time/at all. However, I am very good now. Haven’t missed one, and its is usually between 9 and 10 am everyday. So, could low-carb be causing this? Anyone else had this problem? Its very annoying b/c I am usually quite predictable. Oh yeah, I mentioned that pizza monster. He has been calling my name SO hard for two days also. I got as far as calling in an order, but they wouldn’t deliver to my apt, so I guess it was a sign that I should have willpower. Coincidence? maybe. Annoying? YES!!! Sorry, just needed to vent that he has been talking to me. Thanks! Hope 183/176/145-ish
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My thoughts exactly! Who cares if you made a mistake in the spelling…I’m sure somewhere in Dr. Atkins’ genealogy..it may have been spelled differently anyway! Lighten up people….this group is about Support not about spelling. I’m a newbie and I sure need the support of each and everyone here..makes me scared to post when I see responses like that one.. If you read the book, you would notice that his name is A T K I N S
!!!!! Unless you’re doing some other plan by a Dr. Adkins that I am just not familiar with. Renee Marcel 255/240/150 ATKINS since 2/3/00
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My thoughts exactly! Who cares if you made a mistake in the spelling…I’m sure somewhere in Dr. Atkins’ genealogy..it may have been spelled differently anyway! Lighten up people….this group is about Support not about spelling. I’m a newbie and I sure need the support of each and everyone here..makes me scared to post when I see responses like that one..
It isn’t support you need to be thin. Support only makes you feel sorry for yourself. If you TRULY want to be fit, you need no support, only correct direction. I can help.
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Well, if you’ve been here long enough it get annoying to see the name spelled as "Adkins". After the first few thousand times you start to — Debbie Cusick "When I get a little money I buy books: and if any is left over I buy food and clothes. " - Erasmus Check out the asdlc FAQ at: http://www.grossweb.com/asdlc
My thoughts exactly! Who cares if you made a mistake in the spelling…I’m sure somewhere in Dr. Atkins’ genealogy..it may have been spelled differently anyway! Lighten up people
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We can *all* help! That’s what we are here for. — Debbie Cusick "When I get a little money I buy books: and if any is left over I buy food and clothes. " - Erasmus Check out the asdlc FAQ at: http://www.grossweb.com/asdlc – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – If you TRULY want to be fit, you need no support, only correct direction. I can help.
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Connie’s right: Add a little exercise to what you’re doing. It don’t have to be anything strenuous.
Got a boyfriend? <G Bedwarmer Fried is better!
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Thanks for your concern and best wishes. I don’t think I am getting the information from the book wrong. I simply mis-typed the name. My apologies to those offended.
Figured as much. Ignore them. They’re all working a 6+weeks stall… <g Bedwarmer Fried is better!
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levisomnous attention, nibbled a ratafee and setting aside all pretense of empressment, said: Atkins, Adkins, it’s all about the weight – no matter how you spell it. Peace.
Actually it’s not "all about the weight." Many people are on this WOE for reasons other than to lose weight; control of blood sugars with diabetics and folks with PCOS (polycystic ovary syndrome) just to name a couple. There are numerous other benefits…many folks report freedom from allergies for the first time in years, a sharp decrease in migraines, increased energy (including libido), more sound and restful sleep, freedom from aches and pains, etc. etc. etc… It’s definitely not all about the weight! Cheryl ~~~Names are not always what they seem. The common Welsh name Bzjxxllwcp is pronounced Jackson.~~~ (Mark Twain)
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This thread got pretty bogged down on petty remarks and offences. Back to the real issue…. I stall regularly and have discovered two things that work to break the stall which you could try. First, try going 2-3 day on meat only (and vitamins of course). Omit the vegetables and cheese and nuts and other little pleasures. The other thing that works for me and I have read other LC’ers do is to break your diet for 2 days. That’s right.. eat some carbs (I do the ones I really miss, like real chocolate!). You’ll gain some weight (2-4 lbs), but once you go back on to induction the weight really flies off fast. You’ll lose the stuff you gained very quickly (like 2 lbs per day) and then some more after that. Just don’t break it for too long… Good luck I know its frustrating because I still stall and mess around with these two techniques to break it. (165-147-115)ATKINS since Dec 99 I have lost about 10 pounds in 4 weeks and for the last 4 weeks the scale hasn’t budged. Not a pound!!! I have been following it as well as I know how. I am very discouraged. Don’t remember big stalls in other diet for any length of time. Before you buy.
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Ditto! Am waiting for that elusive little whoosh fairy. Lou
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Could be a typo! Doesn’t seem too important to me how his name is spelled. Lou – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – LD inNY….Was that necessary? or are you having a bad hair day or what???? Michelle Honestly, I buried my grandmother this morning, but my hair looked pretty good – but yeah, I will admit to being a bit cranky today because of that. Regardless, my post wasn’t meant to be a cathartic exercise. I would’ve posted the same thing even before my grandmother died. There is a similar thread running on the topic of the frequent misspelling of Dr. Atkins name, and I think my point is quite a valid one. The man’s name is mentioned on every other page of the book, along with being on the cover, and the WOE Allison is following is the one that Atkins himself originated (or at least made "popular"). Doesn’t it seem odd that a person wouldn’t know the man’s name after all that? I know I sure wouldn’t change my whole WOL based on the findings of some guy whose name I didn’t know. Anyway, my comment was not intended to be mean-spirited. I was merely making an observation. -LD in NY Hey! My name’s Allison and I’ve been lurking and enjoying everyone’s posts for about 5 weeks now. I’m into my 4th week on Adkins (yes, I read the book!). If you read the book, you would notice that his name is A T K I N S !!!!! Unless you’re doing some other plan by a Dr. Adkins that I am just not familiar with. I have to wonder about all the people who "read the book", but can’t get the author’s name right….. isn’t it likely that you are getting other, even more crucial, information wrong, too?? Aside from that, I wish you the best with your goals. LD in NY 250/199/150 Atkins since Sept 1, 1999. http://www.users.interport.net/~laur/lowcarb Subscribe to the NYC Low Carb list: http://www.onelist.com/community/NYCLowCarb
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LD inNY….Was that necessary? or are you having a bad hair day or what???? Michelle – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – Hey! My name’s Allison and I’ve been lurking and enjoying everyone’s posts for about 5 weeks now. I’m into my 4th week on Adkins (yes, I read the book!). If you read the book, you would notice that his name is A T K I N S !!!!! Unless you’re doing some other plan by a Dr. Adkins that I am just not familiar with. I have to wonder about all the people who "read the book", but can’t get the author’s name right….. isn’t it likely that you are getting other, even more crucial, information wrong, too?? Aside from that, I wish you the best with your goals. LD in NY 250/199/150 Atkins since Sept 1, 1999. http://www.users.interport.net/~laur/lowcarb Subscribe to the NYC Low Carb list: http://www.onelist.com/community/NYCLowCarb
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If you read the book, you would notice that his name is A T K I N S !!!!! Unless you’re doing some other plan by a Dr. Adkins that I am just not familiar with. I have to wonder about all the people who "read the book", but can’t get the author’s name right….. isn’t it likely that you are getting other, even more crucial, information wrong, too??
Spoken like a true NewYorker. :- Fanny
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If you read the book, you would notice that his name is A T K I N S !!!!! Spoken like a true NewYorker. :-
Fanny, As a native (but displaced) New Yorker, I kindly ask you not to besmirch us so… Nyawkishly. — NM
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– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – If you read the book, you would notice that his name is A T K I N S !!!!! Unless you’re doing some other plan by a Dr. Adkins that I am just not familiar with. I have to wonder about all the people who "read the book", but can’t get the author’s name right….. isn’t it likely that you are getting other, even more crucial, information wrong, too?? Spoken like a true NewYorker. :- Fanny
And to be consistent, and take your comment as the true New Yorker that I am… THANK YOU for saying so! LD in NY 250/199/150 Atkins since Sept 1, 1999. For the ASDL-C cookbook (Vol. I and II), please visit: http://www.users.interport.net/~laur/lowcarb Subscribe to the NYC Low Carb list: http://www.onelist.com/community/NYCLowCarb
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LD inNY….Was that necessary? or are you having a bad hair day or what???? Michelle
Honestly, I buried my grandmother this morning, but my hair looked pretty good – but yeah, I will admit to being a bit cranky today because of that. Regardless, my post wasn’t meant to be a cathartic exercise. I would’ve posted the same thing even before my grandmother died. There is a similar thread running on the topic of the frequent misspelling of Dr. Atkins name, and I think my point is quite a valid one. The man’s name is mentioned on every other page of the book, along with being on the cover, and the WOE Allison is following is the one that Atkins himself originated (or at least made "popular"). Doesn’t it seem odd that a person wouldn’t know the man’s name after all that? I know I sure wouldn’t change my whole WOL based on the findings of some guy whose name I didn’t know. Anyway, my comment was not intended to be mean-spirited. I was merely making an observation. -LD in NY – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – Hey! My name’s Allison and I’ve been lurking and enjoying everyone’s posts for about 5 weeks now. I’m into my 4th week on Adkins (yes, I read the book!). If you read the book, you would notice that his name is A T K I N S !!!!! Unless you’re doing some other plan by a Dr. Adkins that I am just not familiar with. I have to wonder about all the people who "read the book", but can’t get the author’s name right….. isn’t it likely that you are getting other, even more crucial, information wrong, too?? Aside from that, I wish you the best with your goals. LD in NY 250/199/150 Atkins since Sept 1, 1999. http://www.users.interport.net/~laur/lowcarb Subscribe to the NYC Low Carb list: http://www.onelist.com/community/NYCLowCarb
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Thanks for your concern and best wishes. I don’t think I am getting the information from the book wrong. I simply mis-typed the name. My apologies to those offended. Allison – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – Hey! My name’s Allison and I’ve been lurking and enjoying everyone’s posts for about 5 weeks now. I’m into my 4th week on Adkins (yes, I read the book!). If you read the book, you would notice that his name is A T K I N S !!!!! Unless you’re doing some other plan by a Dr. Adkins that I am just not familiar with. I have to wonder about all the people who "read the book", but can’t get the author’s name right….. isn’t it likely that you are getting other, even more crucial, information wrong, too?? Aside from that, I wish you the best with your goals. LD in NY 250/199/150 Atkins since Sept 1, 1999. http://www.users.interport.net/~laur/lowcarb Subscribe to the NYC Low Carb list: http://www.onelist.com/community/NYCLowCarb
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Unless you’re doing some other plan by a Dr. Adkins that I am just not familiar with.
Oh Sure you know the ADKIN’S Diet: 1. Get someone to tell you what the book says. 2. Eat only the legal foods, Refined sugar, flour, and incomplete proteins. 3. Water consumption is calculated as 64oz’s MINUS 8 ozs for every 10 lbs you have to loose. 4. Eat one meal a day till you become grossly uncomfortable or pass out from sugar overload. 5. Do not take any suppliments, it will only confuse your system. 6. Constipation is encouraged. Hold on to that food as long as possible. 7. Follow the diet strictly, every~other~day. Obviously this Dr. Adkins is a mortician. Tongue firmly in cheek JulieH Lo-Carb Warrior Princess A bad attitude is the only real disability. 202/161/140 atkins since 11/02/99
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Seems pretty stupid that you had to get railed on for such a common mistake. I’ve done it a millon times myself – it sounds the same either way for goodness sake. Anyway – pay those NYC’ers no mind… I deal with them on a daily basis and they begin to grow on you after a while – I’d have multiple hairs up my behind if there were umpteen million people around me everywhere I went . Atkins, Adkins, it’s all about the weight – no matter how you spell it. Peace. – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – Thanks for your concern and best wishes. I don’t think I am getting the information from the book wrong. I simply mis-typed the name. My apologies to those offended. Allison Hey! My name’s Allison and I’ve been lurking and enjoying everyone’s posts for about 5 weeks now. I’m into my 4th week on Adkins (yes, I read the book!). If you read the book, you would notice that his name is A T K I N S !!!!! Unless you’re doing some other plan by a Dr. Adkins that I am just not familiar with. I have to wonder about all the people who "read the book", but can’t get the author’s name right….. isn’t it likely that you are getting other, even more crucial, information wrong, too?? Aside from that, I wish you the best with your goals. LD in NY 250/199/150 Atkins since Sept 1, 1999. http://www.users.interport.net/~laur/lowcarb Subscribe to the NYC Low Carb list: http://www.onelist.com/community/NYCLowCarb
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I have lost about 10 pounds in 4 weeks and for the last 4 weeks the scale hasn’t budged. Not a pound!!! I have been following it as well as I know how. I am very discouraged. Don’t remember big stalls in other diet for any length of time. Before you buy.
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It’s so frustrating. I was stalled at 225 for a month. In desperation, I tried the ECA stack… it lowered my plateau weight by about five pounds, but I remained stalled for another month and a half. Arrgggggh. I stopped weighing myself, and I stopped worrying about it. Ya know what? I’m moving again! This morning I’m 216. My advice: be patient, put away your scale for a while, enjoy the LC WOE, try out some new recipes, keep exercising and drinking lots of water, and just don’t worry about your weight. The weight loss will start up again when your body is ready. Good luck. Mark deLevie 255/216/185ish – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – I have lost about 10 pounds in 4 weeks and for the last 4 weeks the scale hasn’t budged. Not a pound!!! I have been following it as well as I know how. I am very discouraged. Don’t remember big stalls in other diet for any length of time.
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I seem to stall for a couple of weeks after every 3-5 lb. loss. Just try to accept it. I’m beginning to and it just makes life easier. Hang in there! Cheryl
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Hey! My name’s Allison and I’ve been lurking and enjoying everyone’s posts for about 5 weeks now. I’m into my 4th week on Adkins (yes, I read the book!). I lost 5 pounds the first week and not a drop since. I have been measuring too and not seen any inch changes either. I have not cheated, I’m in ketosis and I’m drinking so much water I’m squishing in my shoes. I am completely disenchanted but still plugging away at it because I have really felt good (haven’t felt like taking my afternoon nap since I started and my migraines have diminished) and after reading ya’ll’s notes here I figure it’s got to work for me eventually! Have a happy! Allison 155/150/125
– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – I have lost about 10 pounds in 4 weeks and for the last 4 weeks the scale hasn’t budged. Not a pound!!! I have been following it as well as I know how. I am very discouraged. Don’t remember big stalls in other diet for any length of time. Before you buy.
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Darn, it is very discouraging to be stalled. You can always post a sample of your daily menu’s and the carb police will analyze it and give you suggestions. A little exercise might boost progress too. Just stick with it and keep watching the posts and you might spot something that will help you. Connie – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – Hey! My name’s Allison and I’ve been lurking and enjoying everyone’s posts for about 5 weeks now. I’m into my 4th week on Adkins (yes, I read the book!). I lost 5 pounds the first week and not a drop since. I have been measuring too and not seen any inch changes either. I have not cheated, I’m in ketosis and I’m drinking so much water I’m squishing in my shoes. I am completely disenchanted but still plugging away at it because I have really felt good (haven’t felt like taking my afternoon nap since I started and my migraines have diminished) and after reading ya’ll’s notes here I figure it’s got to work for me eventually! Have a happy! Allison 155/150/125 I have lost about 10 pounds in 4 weeks and for the last 4 weeks the scale hasn’t budged. Not a pound!!! I have been following it as well as I know how. I am very discouraged. Don’t remember big stalls in other diet for any length of time. Before you buy.
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I’m with Connie and Mark on this one, krishnagirl. Ya gotta just ask yourself, " How do I FEEL? " and if you feel GOOD and you KNOW you’re not cheating then everything’s gonna be fine and you’ll get back on track. IMHO, you ladies seem to be having a tougher time on this diet than us guys, so you are to be heartily commended for staying with this diet. Connie’s right: Add a little exercise to what you’re doing. It don’t have to be anything strenuous. Just do something that you don’t normally do in everyday life. Just listen to your ol’ Uncle QUAS, Uncle Mark and Aunt Connie: You gonna be jes’ fahn, babe. *S* QUASI — "Tragedy is when I cut my finger. Comedy is when you fall down an open sewer and die." Mel Brooks Before you buy.
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Hey! My name’s Allison and I’ve been lurking and enjoying everyone’s posts for about 5 weeks now. I’m into my 4th week on Adkins (yes, I read the book!).
If you read the book, you would notice that his name is A T K I N S !!!!! Unless you’re doing some other plan by a Dr. Adkins that I am just not familiar with. I have to wonder about all the people who "read the book", but can’t get the author’s name right….. isn’t it likely that you are getting other, even more crucial, information wrong, too?? Aside from that, I wish you the best with your goals. LD in NY 250/199/150 Atkins since Sept 1, 1999. http://www.users.interport.net/~laur/lowcarb Subscribe to the NYC Low Carb list: http://www.onelist.com/community/NYCLowCarb
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>If you find it, would you share it? >Carone
I promise. — Nicole ===> remove "devnull" from my address to reply <===
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>>If you find it, would you share it? >>Carone >I promise. >– >Nicole
GOOD GIRL! :-) HAPPY HOLIDAYS! ^—^ Cathy { ‘ . ‘ } ` "Those who play with cats must expect to be scratched." Hope for Cysters: http://pages.ivillage.com/bh/cystercat My web page: http://peaceonearth.faithweb.com Visit Little C: http://littlec.faithweb.com
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How about e-mailing Dr. Glueck? He should know where it is online gluec…@healthall.com ^—^ Cathy { ‘ . ‘ } ` "Those who play with cats must expect to be scratched." Hope for Cysters: http://pages.ivillage.com/bh/cystercat My web page: http://peaceonearth.faithweb.com Visit Little C: http://littlec.faithweb.com
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Cathy the Cat Loving Cyster wrote: > How about e-mailing Dr. Glueck? He should know where it is online > gluec…@healthall.com > ^—^ Cathy > { ‘ . ‘ } > ` "Those who play with cats must expect to be scratched." > Hope for Cysters: http://pages.ivillage.com/bh/cystercat > My web page: http://peaceonearth.faithweb.com > Visit Little C: http://littlec.faithweb.com
If you find it, would you share it? Carone — Please use car…@home.com
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If someone knows how to get this online, could you let me know. I’d love to read it. RE: Glueck CJ, Wang P, Fontaine RN, Sieve-Smith L, Tracy T, Moore SK. Plasminogen activator inhibitor activity: an independent risk factor for the high miscarriage rate during pregnancy in women with polycystic ovary syndrome. Metabolism, 48:1589-1595, 1999 (December 1999). — Nicole ===> remove "devnull" from my address to reply <===
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